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Hey, Larry. Is it cold over there yet? No, it is not. It's cool, though. Cool. So what? What do you call? Cool. I mean, so it's a New Mexico is cool. Like 70 degrees. Now it's local, or that it's going down in the 40s at night, late 30s, but but cold and we can we can handle 30th. And do you still have the swamp cooler on them? Well, I don't have one of those. But most people would, would have disengage those devices by now. Because the fear of the of the freezing nights if it gets down to 32 or 31, you're going to have frozen tubing that supplies the water so they would have those things disconnected. Probably would even want to add some humidity a little bit to the air because this time of year with it being a little chilly ish. And then being super dry. Good grief. You would

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you would want some humidity in there then I think you would you would but you don't use the swamp cooler to generate you have to have a fire for that. Sure. Sure. But uh. We got this global audience and very few people know what a swamp cooler and evaporated

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Oreos. Well,

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we'll just have to read up on it on Wikipedia. Yeah. Why don't you fire one up in Georgia? Tell me how well it works. I can only imagine it would not help me very much. Here. We need we need to remove the humidity from the air. Well,

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we had a whole bunch of new patrons sign up this week. I guess while we touched some nerves over the weekend, we had three new people sign up, which is pretty freaking awesome. If he asked me, well, is that a record week or if we ever had more, I think one week we had something like three, it was four ish or so months ago. I could look back and find it. But we would like to thank our news patrons, Ellen, Brian and Sean K.

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So thank you very much for joining registry matters and you all joined at the hustle level. So that's where I can and you too can become a patron and you can receive your own blue balls and you can do that over@patreon.com slash registry matters. Join the many others who generously support the podcast. We've really really appreciate you all so very much makes us

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makes this a lot,

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I don't know, changes it from just a labor of love to something that, you know, hey Larry and I could go out to dinner every now and then Isn't that fantastic I'm going to I'm going to be doing that in the next two months. I'm gonna I'm going to make a trip to the Peach State and we're going to do that outstanding. Let's Let's roll the clock back to last Wednesday or so that was a fun time Halloween for our people. It's like the anti holiday for our people.

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So there was the marathon call with nozzle that I thought went really well at least from a technology standpoint and then also the participation was really high but then there was also plenty of activity going on from the nozzle angle

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you know with patch com letters and Georgia was acting kind of crazy yes it was definitely an exciting period of time and and and depressing for to see that will continue to find new levels of of humiliation and civil rights violations to impose upon

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People who are trying to live their lives normally and raise their families and they're having their employment disrupted. They're having signs placed in their yard without any statutory authority having flyers posted on their door without any statutory authority. And I'm not saying even if there were statutory started, these would be permissible. But we have sheriffs in Georgia that have decided even without statutory authority, that they're going to put metal signs and post flyers on people's door, and we find that appalling and we took action and we sent letters to the shares asked about to do it. And as far as we know, they did it anyway. So we're looking at now at what legal recourse we have to when you can we dig into the statutory authority piece so me as someone that's still on supervision, can the sheriff just show up on my property and stake assign in the ground that says, whatever the heck they want, or do they what authority would they have? Or would they not have to do anything of that nature? Well, if this year

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As acting under the registration under the state statutory scheme, they would have only authority. That's the either the state of Georgia or a county or city municipality, Georgia has granted them and neither of those shares could cite to any such authority. If they were assisting the probation department who had imposed conditions on their offenders while they were under supervision. Clearly they have the opportunity to partner with other law enforcement personnel that being the supervising authorities to get to that, that doesn't mean that those signs would be would be constitutionally valid. It means that they would at least be operating under an authority. They were operating under no authority whatsoever, and the counties of butts and Spalding Russia, which is sort of like us, sort of a suburb of Atlanta to the south. They just decided to take we're going to do this because it's it plays well in the media. And I don't know if those two particular chefs are up for election. I would imagine that they are I don't know if they have competition.

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But even if they don't have competition for this election, it gets their name well known. So for whatever office they my way when you run for sure if that's not the only office you can ever hold your people who hold for example, there was a congressman who served in the US House of Representatives. It was a share from Ohio named named James traffic and

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he was known to be a little bit of loony side and he was the one that said, Beam me up Scotty, I can't take it here.

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He he he finally got sent to prison. He he he had a checkered career where they tried to defense tried to lock him up for for for some fraudulent activities that he had. The jury acquitted him because they liked him as a sheriff. And they equated different than a decade or two later they've managed to succeed and incarcerating traffic. And, but, but so. So regardless of whether the sheriff's and Spalding and buts run for re election this year. I don't know that doesn't mean that they're not trying to get their name in the news and one of them end up making national news

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on ABC with what's new viewer.

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I there was the Bucks County one yeah but but but the news broadcaster wasn't that dicks dx now that's xs and Spalding but okay my bad my bad abc news cast with Scott viewers at the same oh okay the newscaster i don't know i don't follow that I didn't say yeah well he he made he made national news I didn't call his name but that said the butts counter share Oh all right um. And then I was just going to bring ups just like Joe Arpaio our favorite putts former Sheriff who was then going to run for senator just to give another example of someone that's trying to aspire to the next higher office well what he did in fact Ron he did not win the primary he's not he's not the not the nominee but but yes, people a brochure if it's not necessarily another political aspirations, just a stepping stone. Um, and then you sent me a YouTube video that is tangentially related that where the government is using their powers for shaming and abuse and so forth. I'll have a

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Have a link in the show notes it's a little bit disturbing and you know depending on your political affiliations and all that you may be in favor of you may not be in favor of what they were doing but they're caning homosexuals on stage in front of a cheering public in Indonesia

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well the reason why I put that in there is because we just had an episode in the last week with an offender who registered in Rhode Island every it was city Rhode Island but he registered and he had a particularly heinous crime and in New York and the the sheriff and the authorities in Rhode Island or shaming him and that's caused the public to I think we have a clip of it played it last week but it does cause the public to gather around his house and demand that he go here look at that clip.

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It's a pretty small gaggle I mean it's still be you know I wouldn't want them in front of my house but it's not like there's hundreds of people in the streets blocked off it's just about 15 or so people then they're kind of haphazardly organized well and contrast that they did Indonesia where in that clip there are many more with their cell phones taking video yeah cheering cheering and even laughing at the at the at three lashes with a cane would be excruciating Lee painful yeah and and hopefully that would honor our cool and unusual punishment clause would not be tolerated if if that were to be proposed as a form of punishment in the US but I'm looking beyond the actual caning and terms of the registry the publication of people on a list that allows for this to happen it's the government using the tools and power of government like the people likes being done under that regime and Indonesia are using the power of government and the tools of coverage

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Right here in the United States to put people in that type of danger. It doesn't take much for a mob to escalate. People don't do things that are Bob that they would never do individually. And it was the right will spark with those with those 15 people chanting outside of his house could cause them to escalate in terms of attacking the property that may be breaking inside the property. It is the sad day in the us that we are using governmental tools to do this and inside angry this and vigilantes I met with all the document, vigilantism related to people in the registry which many of them have proclaimed that that's how they felt that was our motivation right a lot others that we don't know that that's why it happened where we can only assume there's a mini mini document incidence of people in the registry being being assaulted and killed. And this is kind of sad in the United States of America that our government is doing this and it should be causing people to be outraged.

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At the angry Bob in front of the person's house, say what kind of country where we live again, where we could use the tools and levels of government. I think it's the police officials is actually inciting that angry Bob there and Rhode Island, right? Hey, let me let me play this for you. I told you about this one. And actually, I don't blame them as politicians. I blame us as voters. Do you know who that was?

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I don't know. But it sounds kind of familiar to the voice. Yes, it's Arnie Duncan. There was an interview that you you wanted me to watch on PBS program. And that's him saying in all of the political turmoil that's going on the what what you were just describing to me just says, You can't believe that in the United States of America and all that, you know, that whole list of things that you say, yes, it is the politicians but we elected the politicians. So we're the ones that are accepting of the conditions of the people. It's not maybe necessarily us, you and me, it's but it's your neighbor. It's the apartment complex down the street. It's the neighborhood up the road. Those are the people that are voting.

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For these politicians that are making these things happen, it's us doing it to us. It is. And there was a time in my life and I am kind of an old codger. But. There was a time in my life or when a person had paid their debt to society. They would be defended by society at large. Well, he did his time give him a chance. That's the past right? That doesn't that doesn't seem to apply anymore. Yeah,

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I don't know man. Let's move on before this turns into a spiraling just depressed rant for an hour and a half about the sad state of affairs of the United States. Well, why don't you just leave Andy um. You know, I do ultimately think that it's a neat country it does have so so if we voted our way into it. I used to listen to this program I was locked up some some doctor he was into like homeopathy and all the stupid shit. But if you would diet and exercise your way into bad health, then that means you could diet and exercise your way out of bad health. And I'm going to think the same thing if we have voted our way into these poor Paula

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We can vote our way out well that that was the answer I was looking for. But we get that criticism from time to time about before so unhappy. We happen to love this country and we feel fortunate that we were born here and we want to try to write the direction and correct the misdirection and we want to improve this country it can be far better than it is although it's already great we don't have to make it great again it is great I would agree that would be what we came off of our plateau of greatness we can we can make it even greater wicked make it a more fair and just an equitable society we can make it a forgiving society we can do a lot to make America greater but that doesn't mean we're not great we're not saying that none of us want to go to South Sudan or tall Come on really

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nervous country in the world or two or to live under Sharia law or to live in most of the Middle Eastern countries or most or media Latin American countries. We we get that that this

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Far better, but we want to make it as great as it can be better. Yeah.

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Well, let's move on. So I want to leave this quick note, if you call in and leave a voicemail message, I need you to take just a couple minutes and formulate your thoughts. Maybe take a couple notes, the system is only gonna let you leave a three minute voicemail message which is already too long. If you have a lot of detail and stuff and it's worth playing and your your your information is concise and great. Leave the three minutes but if you're going to call and leave 512, 20 messages and go Oh, wait, no, take this out. No, wait, no, I didn't mean this. I can't do anything with it. And I can't play it. Just wanted to put that out there just as a administrative thing. Try and formulate your thoughts. Keep it 60 maybe hundred 20 seconds and then we can play it on the program.

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But our newest patron Shontayne she called in she has a question about transferring from Alaska to Virginia.

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Hello. My name is Dante and I call before

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About this matters the same matter

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as long as incarcerated, and Alaska. And once he finished his time, hopefully we can go back to Virginia where I live. And I wanted to know the process of doing that. And I also wanted to know the liver and restrictions and Alaska and living restrictions and Virginia, how far degree different schools and places like that you can give it a little bit more information about those two things. That would be great. Thank you, and have a great day.

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That was a perfect example of the voicemail message that we can work with. It's a little bit light on details, but we'll try and flush some of those out here in a little bit.

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So I had some correspondence with Ashanti and I sent her a link to the NASA wiki that might have some information about the state laws and you know, so she could look up Alaska and Virginia.

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I also sent her this PDF that I got, it says when a sex offender comes to visit, and it has a huge chart in the middle of it that gives you like a researcher at a college and it gives the varying pieces of information. If you are traveling to another state of how long that is before you have to register, but it also has the information in there that tells you if you actually stay there, what are your registration requirements, but that said, I think we have some assumptions that we have to make. So we're going to assume that the the crime occurred in Alaska and at the state level crime and that post prison while still on probation or parole wants to move to Virginia

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a pretty sure that whatever the living restrictions are in Alaska will be what is applied in Virginia. It's not let's just say for example, if there aren't living restrictions in Virginia, you're still going to have to follow the ones of Alaska and am I right so far it depends and

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let's go let's go

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let's start with your assumptions that that he

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is being released from a state prison and I don't know if any federal facilities in Alaska he's been released from a state facility as a result of a commission of a state crime and let's assume he has a period of supervision to follow either be probation or parole interstate compact for adult offender supervision has a website but a lot of information on the I see a OS and in terms of the process whether it be probation or parole if he has a supervisor any any reporting requirements he'll have to be transferred under that CEOs process and states to process on outgoing application they have to be willing to allow the person to leave because it's a privilege to be supervised in another state

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that so Alaska has to be willing to allow him to apply and they are permitted under their say compact to charge application fees for processing all the paperwork that the receiving state which Alaska we wait acidic state for purposes of the compact and Virginia would be to receive

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states and Alaska charges $100 for a parole application. And $100 for for a probation application. And just to compare, pulled up the chart, Arizona charges $200 for parole application. Arkansas charges $100 California does not charge anything. Colorado doesn't charge anything for parole. Connecticut doesn't charge anything. So it varies from state to state. Most people that could could condition or not going to have gobs of money to pay these fees. So it puts them in a real bind because they want to know that their odds of being accepted a pretty good before the spend $100 right Sure Sure. You want to save as many you know, clear as many hurdles as you can having an address and all that stuff before you try and put in the process that that's the most crucial thing that that that that the person who's going to spots for him, we can assume additionally, he does not have a functioning household of his own. It's just sitting there waiting that he said paying rent or a video as a homeowner in Virginia. So whoever he's going to live with it's going to have

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To be has to be involved in the process to the extent that they're going to be that they're going to have to be willing to cooperate with an investigation. So the offender is going to contact the the people in Alaska that do that do reintegration in each state has more depends on how committed they are to re entry and some states have less I can't speak for Alaska but if they have any, any

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planning process and social work process, they can begin that process as he gets closer to release and she didn't she didn't say exactly how close he has to release if he's going to be released in 2025. That's a little bit early

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2019 this is probably a good time to be thinking about it he could get the application process started the problem that Shawn takes going to run into as that Virginia really doesn't want him right it's not anything personal at all will tell you what let's back up so why doesn't Virginia Virginia doesn't want him because he's in a category of offenders that they deem to be highly highly

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Dangerous as a group, not as an individual, they don't know him as an individual. What they do know is that there's going to be a small percentage of them that will will commit new offenses. It maybe it's 1%, maybe it's 3%. Maybe it's 5%. Who knows. But whatever that person is, they don't want that person to be on their caseload and that camera to come in rolling, asking how that person managed to commit this offense and they shouldn't have even been here to start with because their convictions out of Alaska and what type of supervision were you guys doing and how did this happen? They don't want that on their watch. So it's quite common that the states when they look at these applications, when it's a sexually related crime, they go by the letter of every rule regulation they have in terms of trying to figure out a way that they can say no to that offender

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if they have if they have Virginia's supervision of restrictions will apply to him in terms if they don't allow an offender with a sexual conviction to be within 1000 feet of all the things that sponsors home.

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Can't be with them at those exclusionary zone. So they'll just arbitrarily say no if that offender sponsor happens to have certain type of convictions because they'll they'll they'll ask them about about themselves if that if that person happens to have a criminal convictions they may say no that that that association is not going to be good for this they will look for something I have not heard of the state yet who says welcome to all people who was actually go ahead and apply here we'll get you in as quick as we can. So for for for Shontayne to understand that that that they they're gonna be looking for a reason to decline there's no phone number you can call that I'm aware of in any state to say, Hey, I'm just curious, I'd like to sponsor a sex offender, right? You give me all the information I need to help me figure out if my house will work for them. It's very unfortunate, but there's no such hotline that I know to call and in terms of the point you were making about the the the restrictions Alaska restrictions that are in the statute won't come with him but

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The conditions that are in his supervision packet will so if the judge and posted and conditions on him they will all follow him. But if classical statute says you can't live with a 2000 feet or something, and Virginia doesn't have that, that doesn't follow Him, if it's in the statutory scheme, but all of his conditions from Alaska, they're imposed by either parole board or the court will follow Him and they must be enforced by Virginia in addition to whatever Virginians conditions are and Virginia where it gets tricky. The receiving state can impose conditions consistent with what they impose on their own offenders with that type of offense Have you come when you come to Virginia if Alaska doesn't have curfews and Virginia does don't tell us your problem, but by the last of that they didn't impose a curfew on me. You could stay in Alaska if you like and you know, have a curfew but we do curfews here in Virginia and you're in our in our face system and you'll start with a 6pm curfew and you might get up to nine or 10 o'clock at night after you get to ft advanced through our level.

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And if you don't like that, you're certainly free to apply to come here. So. So do you get you get double whammy, you don't actually get a benefit by going to a new state people think that well, I'll just transfer to a state where they're much more reasonable. Well, the fallacy of that is they that they are obligated to enforce the sending states conditions that they were put on your super vision. And if they can't, for any legal reason, they can't,

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then they're obligated to advise and state we can't do that in the state has to remove those conditions that they want to allow you to come. But but they're obligated to enforce those conditions. I can't say they do it for sure. But let me that's that's what they're supposed to do. It doesn't seem like a for a probation officer to you know, they have 100 something person caseload and everybody's following this 123456 set of rules. And then this one person has this different set. I can't imagine they'd be like, Oh, we got to manage this guy different they would try and bring them and make them all as easy as possible to manage and make them all roughly the same what you're correct, but if it wasn't

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Get rid of if you're wanting to get rid of you, right?

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They most people's assess you at first meeting or your for your trouble or whether you're going to be compliant and if they're trying to get rid of you, you better believe they'll watch all those out of state conditions looking for a way to send you back to that state for violating that states conditions. I sure certainly will let me just have to get clarification. If you are coming from a state that has residency restrictions, and you move to a state that does not have them and I'm talking it's in the state statute those don't follow you to the receiving state they do not because that's the state law that you're no longer under I swear I thought that those followed you that they they the states law doesn't follow you your conditions of supervision do now there are exceptions to every rule Landy. It's like people who move to Utah with out of state conviction Utah has adopted the longer of our rules are the convicting state so you get to Utah

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you might have had a lifetime conviction registration.

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Out of Florida, and you get to Utah thinking you're going to be under their 10 year plan, as I said, Oh, you came from a state that had a lifetime. So therefore your lifetime here, but but if there's a if there's a town and Alaska that has 1000 foot restriction that doesn't follow you to do Virginia, Virginia, restrictions that they have at or what control you in terms of the law, but if it's written into your conditions, it does follow you those conditions following

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Well, they don't exactly that's what that confuses me. Again,

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I swear, I thought that the state statutes with a were the ones that followed you and your probation ones would be dependent upon your local jurisdiction of probation. So you know, you're leaving from this county and there are the normal rules, the curfew, etc. You go to the new state, those are kind of all wash. It's whatever they want you to follow in the new state.

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The statutory schemes of the state apply the conditions of the convicting state of black

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Hmm. All right, I'll have to let you have that one as you being the expert, I am putting a link in the show notes to point people to what turns out to be Episode Two of the registry matters podcast that was released on October 28. So 53 weeks ago, this one was released where we did a hour long episode on the interstate compact. Well, that would be good for for Ashanti. But I do feel for her because this is one of those things where it's difficult to try to figure out what to do unless she has stacks of hundred dollar bills. Right?

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Most people don't and you need to try to position yourself as best you can that you don't get turned down and you don't know how to position yourself because it's hard to call anybody to get the straight scoop I don't know all the I don't know where she lives. I don't know if there's any restrictions there. I don't know anything about I don't know if she has a criminal history. I don't know anything that would tell me if if you would be suitable sponsor and What should she do to try and you know, fill in all those gaps.

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I wish I could be more helpful. It's hard to tell her. I mean, if we had a virgin functioning Virginia affiliate, and not sure an article does, they might be more helpful. But it would require me to do an immense amount of research to try to figure out if, if, if she would fit with him. He would have to research your own background in terms of knowing if she has anything that was cleaning her. And then remember, also, all the rules of the supervision apply to us probation can't tell you that you can't have a gun if you're allowed to own one but they tell you they can't live there if you do. Yeah, and there's a lot of things that people get angry about that they're gonna have to comply with. If they're going to have an offender and their house probation may tell you the chest, keep dogs chained up. Well, you may not want to do that. Well, we won't full access to your yard and we don't want a vicious dog charging us when we come in the driveway. So you always got to be restrained. What they can't tell you to get rid of dog. They can tell you the person can't live there though, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Hmm. Well, I hope that's helpful. And I hope the links are also helpful.

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Delicious, know how it goes keep keep us up to date. We also have a voicemail message from our favorite listener from the UK. Here we go.

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Hi guys. I do apologize

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system is so complex here in the United States. So sometimes I get a little bit confused. So I thought that the sort of proceeding for a risk level, the termination in New York was a civil proceeding. And I email the division for Criminal Justice Services. And I asked them if they could confirm if the sore proceedings

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are conducted on the civil law because I wanted to know when they request if my records from the United Kingdom was that under Civil

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Procedure Law, and they responded and said that the sore proceeding is criminal, not civil.

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So I'm a bit confused because I thought that the registry was

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several regulation so maybe it's only the registry part as civil and not the actual risk level hearing determination hearing maybe that's criminal law

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and then it becomes civil I'm not too sure I was wondering what you guys thought about that they send me an email today okay I'm that starts getting kind of in the weeds too about is if it's civil, does it fall under criminal or civil law and unfortunately I'm not going to give him a satisfactory answer it but it has a great question actually because it we hear this itself it civil regulatory scheme, but in the states where they actually have in some of the states where they have risk levels

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The judges that presided over the criminal case, decide the risk level. And I'm not sure how New York does it. So he he asked questions that are beyond my knowledge. But if it's actual criminal judge who does the risk determination, it blurs the line, doesn't it? It does.

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If you're in the state of Arkansas, you go before the sex offender assessment board in Pine Bluff, and then if you disagree with them, you can take it to court. And I'm a little unclear if that's a civil or criminal proceeding as far as a believer, regulators and civil proceeding. But if you're going back to the crypto judge in New York, if that is what's happening, it seems to very much blurry the lines and then it begs the question, what do you do with Don New York convictions? How do you determine their risk level? There's no judge for them to go before See, we'd have to start a brand new proceeding. If the person was going back to their sentencing judge you already have the old criminal case number and you would proceed under that within that vehicle. But this is this is stuff it sounds like he really does need to

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Get themselves some competent representation, which is also challenging because this is an area of the law that this very complicated and people generally don't have gobs of money to hire Ortiz and you could end up spending a lot of money and not know much more than what you know, after you talk to the attorney, because the attorney may tell you, I don't know. Thanks for the $250 for the consultation. Right, right. Right. Right.

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I find it I find it fascinating to that's a quote unquote, civil regulatory scheme and the civil regulatory scheme. If you don't follow it, they put you back in prison. Well, you know, you, you and others mentioned that several regulatory schemes can put you in prison if you don't follow them, right. I mean, I guess taxes is a civil regulatory scheme to right. Well, in restaurant inspections are several regulatory scheme that can put you in prison. If you continue to defy the authorities on operating without a permit. There's a number of things that can put you a driver's license can put you in jail if you don't have one, and you continue to drive without one. But you keep saying if you continue, like if you continue to have these infractions, it's like events like there's a slap on the wrist.

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Then there's a small fine then there's a big fun and so forth then eventually but this is like hey you missed curfew by five minutes you get locked back up well the registry is not a curfew though as far as I know true curfews except for but but the registry violations have been elevated through the years in terms of their again that's from the public pressure for example by state it's the maximum 18 months for volume registry which with today for a good time it's not a violent offense so it's a you're looking at nine months I wouldn't want to serve nine months for regulatory violation but nobody actually ever does that I'm I shouldn't say nobody else has anybody ever served the DOD months because unless they're just willfully disobeying time after time after time is usually a probated sentence here but but but regular violation of regulatory scheme so the SEC regulations are very tough and dependencies are very harsh but they're merely factors are criminal penalties, penalties associated does not magically make that make that regulatory scheme period that is not what will take to win.

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To say that because what they pose punishment, you don't comply it's not justified that that is not enough to transform a regulatory scheme and documenting what that by itself won't do it

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then let's move on to a let's uh. Okay everyone put on your don't throw tomatoes at the podcast hosts mode put those hats on

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we got an email message from Jonathan and he says I enjoy the podcast and I usually don't mind the politics but twice now I've heard something that I want to push back on the idea that to be a strict constitutionalist you must be for banning modern weapons and that the founders could not have envisioned machine guns is a bit misleading and impossibly false. The email message goes on with a whole lot more information about Second Amendment kind of the things or other examples of where military weapons are used in various situations and even like Civil War weapons that would be considered like

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you know, automatic weapons and so forth.

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I totally respect your your opinion on this. And I kind of want to move away from this whole thing. But the conversation comes up all the time about do you follow the letters of like the actual interpret like the the actual written words of the Constitution to you interpret it? Do you let it evolve to modern standards? And we kind of like go back and forth. We allow it to happen in certain conversations, and then we refuse to let it go on another conversations.

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Well, the word he actually said was construction is not constitutionalist, but

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I really appreciate someone like Jonathan, who will take the time to write something that's respectful and factual as far as I can tell, everything he wrote was factual and I appreciated he would be the type of person I'd be delighted to have a debate with, and we could probably be respectful for an hour and a half and carry this debate which is really not the purpose of the podcast but we could probably do that but I will say that that his

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Point kind of self self defeating. First of all the guns he talks about was never produced for armies, whatever it was called that weapon I'd never heard of typical gun I'd never heard of. But it looks like it was a it was early version of a machine gun. That was fire, like seven or eight bullets

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a minute. Yeah. But but that's not really the point. The point is that if you're textual Islam, and strict constructionist run hand in hand and a texture list does not believe and guessing anything that's not there. And his own message. Jonathan's on message here says that he believes that that the the framers would have intended for people to be on weapons as they evolved consistent with what the military would have available to them and I can respect that but i disagree with that that because if they had wanted to say that they could have said that there's there's fundamental disagreement about what the second moment

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actually means to start with in terms of a well regulated militia being necessary to secure the freedom of of a free state or however that's worded. There's a lot of debate about what that actually means about about whether it even gives the individual right to own a weapon. It wasn't until 2008 in the case of a district of columbia versus Heller, the Supreme Court expanded that to include the individual right of ownership of weapon and I think there was another decision a couple years later out of Chicago where the same fog for majority affirmed what they'd sent and Heller But until that time, there was there was no belief in our interpretation of US Supreme Court that that that they could individually called a weapon but if you're strict texture list, if they had wanted that interpretation, that Jonathan says they would have said that as weapons evolved to citizens will have the right to own them. They didn't say that therefore you cannot read into it. If you're textual is something that is not there and that's the point we've been making about the case of Nebraska trying to

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Compare there there are pros and cons about texture list and intent interpretations. And I won't say that that that I disagree with all the pros of people who believe the textual ism there's a lot of my don't agree with but but that is an intellectual argument you can make about textual ism versus the intent of what people write in statutory schemes.

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We had a great discussion about that over the last several sessions of the podcast to people in Nebraska got a textual interpretation and you should be happy they logically they should be. If they are textual, it's that's what they should they should say well, he was out of state juveniles are having to register in Nebraska. That's exactly what the law says it says at one who enters the brasco who has to register and other state you are a person right you do have to register another state. Right. That is right by the book. How come you see Juna files on the phone different with me? Well, I had a foster parent who was rather

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On educated and she had some real pronunciation problems when I was a kid, and she would never, no matter how much you struggle with her, she could not say juvenile or would not say it. I think she probably could. But she insisted that that anybody who had who was under the age of majority was a junior ball, and you ever get trouble. And they were taken to the juvenile hall and how was she sound?

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Or she just started like that you're going to the, they're going to put you in juvenile hall

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seems like when we talk about it, you always knew kind of accentuate that with a little bit more of a southern drawl.

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So what do you want to be able to do to Val Hall at? Ah, there we go. That's what I was looking for. All along. Um, well, let's move on. We got we got a mountain of articles covered. Well, I really I really appreciate I really appreciate Jonathan. I really, really that's he wrote very respectfully thank you for that for that. So Jonathan, feel free to reach out maybe we could like produce it as a Patreon extra or something like that to have a 30 minute or something back and forth. I don't know.

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I don't know something actually that I've always wanted to do with this podcast is get people that are opposed to our position on registry type of subjects to have some kind of debate almost like that. Emily Horowitz Melissa Marcy Hamilton

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thing that went on there. I think that would be an amazing amazing production

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people that could communicate it well that that would be the hard part that such as like, FAQ, sex offenders, you're all bad people we need to tell you and clearly clearly Jonathan can do that. And I guess I'd take a step further with US Supreme Court they interpreted the company because rally versus California in 2014,

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you can check my Google men see if I'm close but there was a case regarding the sort of person cell phone and the Supreme Court looking at the constitution our terms of your right to privacy and they have lost its held the doctrine for 40 some odd years. There was a case that came out in the late 60s even under the liberal award court that said you can

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As an incentive to lawful arrest you can search the person's

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you can search the person their belongings if you encounter mentor traffic stop you can inventory and search the car and search the person well in the rally a supreme court's of whoa you just go in a little bit too far here the searching the phone contains too much private information their whole life is on their phone and that was an example of have evolved month that the founding fathers I doubt would have ever anticipated but but the that device the Supreme Court found it to be equivalent to something that needed protection and they they held it the Constitution protects the cell phone and it can't be searched other than if there might be a way that something could be hazardous or dangerous in the phone to the officer safety they can search it to make sure that but they can't actually search the digital content and so let me see if I've got that right if it's Raleigh vs California but anyway I won't spend a whole lot more time on yeah but but that

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That that is an example of the the evolve. But have you have to look at the times we live in today nobody was thinking about cell phones where they said the right to be secure from search or seizure and your and your personal your belongings,

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like I said the we have a mountain of articles we pushed a bunch of articles back because we have the interview last week about Nebraska and whatnot. So we're going to try and move through these quickly. And the first one is a lawsuit test the limits of anonymous speech this this subject comes up on our radar fairly often about being anonymous maybe online in on a Twitter forum or some other internet chat kind of thing. And this article is kind of neat. It presents a whole bunch of a neat Arctic examples to wrap your head around where you would 100% defend someone's right to be anonymous and then like just changed the scenario just like just change the details of it. It's the exact same thing and you would like no way absolutely there should not be anonymity the one example

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That I really liked of where I know I like where you're going to go say the fraternity boys no actually no i was i was gonna talk about like the internal affairs thing with the cops that if there were a group of cops that were like trying to call out their peers that are that are corrupt you would 100% defend their right to have their their names be anonymous I think I would you probably what I would I'm not sure the cops would know the coach that like the one that has his name listed he would he would absolutely want to out those people to try and do something to suppress their ability to keep that information in there. And then he's uh, let's just go for the sake of argument that he's a corrupt cop. And he would absolutely want to have that discovery of who's contributing and all that stuff so he can do something to suppress it. But at the same time, you just flip that around and you have some women who are like talking about some people in the office that are that are doing bad things

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you would want to protect their rights to

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it. Yeah. And then I guess you were bringing up the frat boys and they're passing around a document who's good in bed and all this stuff well

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So that the lawsuit is actually about a person who I guess they had their name, put on a hit list of

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who were, who were doing sexual deviancy about sexual assaults and stuff, and the Google has said, Wait, we don't, we don't have we don't provide that information. We don't.

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Well, and then so this article, which is a good read, it's long but but but it would be nice for people to read. If the fraternity boys create a spreadsheet about people's sexual proclivities. And they put that online so that people know that they might have a good catch with these people whose names have been listed photographs, all of a sudden it's different they don't have the right to anonymous speech it so I would encourage everybody to read this because it really is it does take pro and con situations and you'll do flip flops all throughout it. You'll say yes, of course, Russia and you'll say well, no, they shouldn't have the height that out of a speech or that situation and that's also one of your particular

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attributes that helps you be so

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successful in the work that you do is that it's not just the registry is bad rah rah rah. What is their argument going to be? And how can you then figure out how to defuse their argument? Okay, what else figure out the 10, 2100 different ways, they're going to come back at me and what I'm trying to do, and try and anticipate their moves. That's kind of what this thing does is help you flip, okay, we're going to move this to male female, we're going to move this one of male female male, we're going to move the situation of this, you know, it's almost like a Rubik's Cube kind of thing. And you're trying to get all the colors to line up in the right way to where you can have everybody be happy on all sides, or at least be have the right to representation have the right to face your accuser. You know, and then obviously, this is about the First Amendment. Yeah, it's a it's a fantastic read in terms of the arguments to be made in terms of the right to, to face your accuser and then the right tone anonymous speech and where those limits are. And clearly there have to be limits and like, say, intellectually honest people that can look at these issues and come up with different views.

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points and sometimes we have to we have to say hello to ourselves we're being inconsistent I was having a conversation with a gentleman last night about there weren't enough regulatory authorities in a state that he felt there should be more regulation I thought you were going strong conservative I didn't believe I thought regulation was a part of the problem now you're saying that the polygraph examiner should be they should be monitored regulated by the government and you're saying the treatment of providers should have all these obligations to keep and maintain records and do all these things for a number of years I thought that was a part of the problem

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is like well what what what the bully you want regulation when it suits your purpose? Yeah you don't want to pay the taxes for the cost you want to create a brand new government entity to regulate polygraph examiners well that's do spending recurring spending to have this board of a polygraph examiner's and and it have this bureaucracy somebody's got to pay for that it's the same time while you hate taxes. I'm just gonna drop this bomb out there we have an organization called the FDA that regulates

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rocks and they regulate food and all these other kinds of things and a bunch of people come jumping down the throats of the FDA. Let's move that over to you have a whole section of your pharmacy that offers homeopathy home remedies St John's warts and stuff like that completely 100% non regulated they can put any crap out there that they want to and there's no scientific evidence behind it take that exact same thing move that over to the polygraph it is an identical will call it technology process pseudoscience bullshit there's no regulation behind it and it should be removed from public consumption in its entirety it is just a boo game scare thing Same thing with the homeopathy the homeopathic remedies garbage no regulations should he pulled off the shelves and not sold their that's my throw all your all your hate mail at me if you want to say we're going to get plenty of this week about about that for all your what you call it off the shelf. The homeopathy the homeopathic remedies scarred which

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complete garbage okay alrighty I can see now our listenership is plummeting as we speak yeah so you're gonna bring up all the conservatory things I'm going to be all the homeopathy we're going to drive the listenership to zero

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That's the goal. We're going to do this just to sit around on Saturday afternoon huh

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yeah because we just like to each other talk

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I see

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the next article comes from the tea digger.org never heard of this one but I guess we'll call it Connecticut Hartford woman refuse a sex offender program

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I struggle with this one too in that let's let's say you're convicted of a crime that you don't think is criminal and you end up through your prison program and you they require you to take some sort of training class and the treatment class provider says we need you to sign this

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statement of of acknowledging you know of your offense and all the stuff but you don't believe that your crime was a crime and the

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going to kick you out of the program for not signing the the treatment thing and now you're like stuck in prison purgatory or probation purgatory because you don't agree with them making you sign this statement of acceptance.

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It's a it's a very compelling case would you've been convicted not pursuant to to a plea but as we know 90 plus percent of the cases or solve up a resolve for the play and so was this this individual and at this point she's going to get variable traction in my view to refuse to acknowledge our crime that she pled guilty or no contest to and because even I don't contest you're conceding that the evidence is there sufficient to convict you.

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So it I wish I could give different feedback, but I think this is already as well for her. This is gonna, this kind of reminds me of a person in Georgia, they didn't have time to take a treatment program.

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Well, we'll leave that person nameless.

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Um but there was a guy that was in my my prison training class and he claims that his crime was putting lotion honors his daughters back i don't i don't know i don't care and he's I didn't do anything wrong I that was my daughter I did it and then somehow accusations come down don't care but we have another article coming up next I think is why do people take plea deals and it's exactly that now you now you accept that you're going to get a five year sentence versus 20 taking the plea deal as opposed to potentially being found guilty and taking 20 years I think the five is possibly a better you know you have better odds at the five so you take the plea even though you're not you're actually not guilty and that's a that's a great article that that follows because the average ordinary citizen the if you went out and started pulling people at random they were reasonably

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of sound mind and said would you ever pled guilty to something you

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Didn't do you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who would say they would. Because not everybody intuitively says they would not. But they if they've never encountered the justice system, they don't know the tactics and the power that the system has. And so intuitively, you're going to say, No, I would never plead guilty, something I didn't do. But when you get put in that position, it's a whole different situation. Because if in the states where they have the death penalty, if they if they say, well, we think our jury to convict you are we willing to give you life without parole and we'll take the death penalty off the table? Well, most people want to stay alive for a better day. Yeah, and my one of my, one of my first roommates was a he they offered him a three to one in the death of his wife.

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I got to think that if they offered you a 321 they have really poor evidence that just would be my take if they had more strong evidence, and they would go for at least a longer sentence if not shooting for life. He takes it to court he loses he got life he died in prison.

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should have taken the 321 well that would be a good example of where it wasn't but it benefits the interest but he was one of those who couldn't say he did something he did do right and he died in prison as a martyr yep and and he fought he tried to do hideous corpus says how do you how do you paralyze habeas corpus core

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so he was trying to file ABS corpus is or core pie to to have a new hearing he was trying to introduce more evidence whatever and he you know he remained unsuccessful and when I left him he had done 14 years and he died at around 20 years and incarcerated wow only he's only in may have been 60 when he died just the prison system just beat him down well as his body down if you could tell me how to how the floor was platypus I'll tell you out of four realize hey saying without its occupy just just for reference it's occupied it's not posted because that that that doesn't sound right especially on a family oriented programs such as this.

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But yeah the the the ladies going to end up having to do the treatment program or she's going to pay a horrendous price of my opinion for not not cooperating it's gonna be a violation of supervision and and the people plead guilty all the time and I don't know how when they plead guilty all time for things I haven't done

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because this the best way to resolution and that was a great example of 321 the prosecutor didn't think they had a good case with people part of the equation and they could have felt like that that was in the hands of justice that they had they had a case of something but they didn't have a real strong case and I were giving him a sweetheart deal I mean who knows what when the consideration but he didn't take it and they did what they do offer when you don't take the deal they take your child and they beat you right yeah and oh, I just had a thought on that one but it lets my brain there's that senility showing up for me

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it's that old timers Yeah.

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Let's keep moving on. There's a website called guilty plea problem.org and picked up this article a couple weeks ago says Why do innocent people plead guilty to crimes they didn't commit. There's one particular factor in there. That just kind of freaks me out

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from an organization it says the furthermore according to the National Registry of exonerations, 18% of known exonerates pleaded guilty okay so we have something like 2 million people incarcerated What is it so 20% of that that's 40,000 people now that's 400,000 people are possibly innocent and they just put out well I wouldn't extrapolate it quite that that be scary statistic to think that one in five people are so I wouldn't extrapolate out that because the incident projects are usually pretty rigid about the cases they take terms of you have to have substantial proof of your of your innocence, but it's a scary number.

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To think of the cases that they didn't like to take

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that that almost one fifth of them had pled guilty and and they were factually innocent but for whatever reason the oh they were able to take exonerate them that is really scary

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huh

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but I mean that's saying national registry examiners exonerations 18% of have known exonerates pleads guilty yeah but but say to get exonerated to get an Innocence Project take your case you

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may deny 88 90%

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of everybody who approaches them because you just don't you don't have any evidence. So they don't they cherry pick the best the cases that are not criticize them. They have to because they have various resources. So we want to actually get people out where they can prove their innocence. They don't want to go on a fishing expedition. So 90%, 95%

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of people that approach them or are just not cleared but of the cases it takes the fact that a fifth of those pled guilty is frightening. Okay, so

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that that would be similar to saying there the Supreme Court gets 7000 whatever petitions to hear cases and they only hear a few hundred they don't even care for your hundred they hear about at the idea of 9000 okay so similar things so the 9000 would be the 2 million but they only actually heard they only actually made decisions on hundred cases yeah they take their so these these innocence projects are usually very woefully underfunded there's not a lot of grant money from foundations or from government entities to it's not like the victims advocate side where there's plenty of grant money it's hard to find money to exonerate people that are in prison, though it's often a bunch of people who have social justice in their heart and they do this part time is a gig on the side but finding a funded Innocence Project is hard to do. There are some or whether they found ways to fund their work but but it's usually haphazard as part of a law school program but but but they have very limited resources so very very few people get accepted that that right to them and then

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They hear back sorry we can't help you

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tragic

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the next article is from the Miami new times I love this this article I mean I don't love it this this situation just as completely shitty we covered an article three or four weeks ago where a guy that had

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skits a schizophrenia I think at least a bipolar the cops the the the corrections officers they put them in a shower for two hours with the temperature set on insanity and he died in the shower with like skins peeling off this happened I think in 2014 it was I'm sorry is 2012 This guy's name is Darren rainy and just a couple years ago the medical examiner's report came out with gruesome photos of Randy's body showing huge portions of the skin peeling off his back and legs and arms and all this. And I brought this up just as kind of like a follow up. So here's the medical examiner, Dr. Emmylou she gets a promotion so I just wanted to bring that up. There was a

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It was I read the entire thing right before we before we went on a day and I just couldn't believe that everybody got promoted in that practically the, the, the other guard at all. So yeah he became instead of being a CEO he became like a Beat Cop

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and then he was out he was out like sharing time with his girlfriend or whatever I think he was married to sharing time at his girlfriend's while he was on duty at this time but but they gave her a nice raise $260,000 a year the medical examiner and she got many accolades and recommendations about being what asset she has, clearly it was a botched job and the there was a settlement to the family I believe it's like 4.5 million I don't have that in front of me now. But but there was a huge settlement to the family. Oh, yeah, it says in the bottom here that the family of Jeremy settle the Civil Lawsuit with state of Florida Clark and others for 4.5 billion.

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So it's hard to imagine that you pay out of $5 million

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and everybody gets promoted for that Well, that makes

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It okay right so we've paid out our money now we're now we're clear it's clean slate everybody's equal. Everyone get promoted up like you would think that was a rational I mean you think that the people who were the bad actors here medical examiner who gave a bad report and the the officers involved you think that there would be demoted and possibly prosecuted awkward thing maybe but then doesn't that go to the DEA not prosecuting I don't know all the specifics but Pinus accountability is lacking clearly in this case Do you think that we need some kind of government bureaucracy to possibly have some oversight over these maybe some sort of independent kind of commission to oversee the law enforcement apparatus as you call it I would favor that but it's hard to you'd be fighting that over vehement opposition The cops are they self police by large they have their own internal affairs processes and tried to tell the cops and will quickly quickly tell you that

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They don't need anybody battling and business day that we civilians. We don't understand the complexity of police work. Yeah, that's right. We don't that's why they do their jobs and we should let them do their jobs without trying to question their authority and we should not question the equipment or the tactics and when they make a split second decision to shoot somebody who is on their floor on the floor with a pair of boxers all and crawling, we should never question that. I don't know why you don't. I don't. Why you don't understand that. Do you know who Cartman is on the cartoon South Park now. Okay, well, there's this little fat kid. It's cartoon happens in Springfield, Colorado. Something like that little fat kid. And he's a little noxious little bad kid and he's Oh, and he has this little cop outfit that'll put on like a snake man

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there you go. I've never I've never heard that oh my god. I may have to pause the podcast just to go find that we can definitely got we got eight more articles

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and you were with

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Alright, the next article comes from pew pew trust.org, I should say probation and parole systems marked by high stakes missed opportunities. One in 55 adults is under community supervision.

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It's a lot of people, Larry, we got 340 million people in the US and one in 55. So that's a

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What is that? I guess that's 2%. Roughly. That's a lot of people. Man. That is a lot of people under supervision. It is.

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It's typical. Your southern states tend to have the largest number of offenders muffling president and on probation apparently coordinate data to these the way they've broken it out here.

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There's a bunch of charts it's a it's a long it's a long article, but I bet you there's a particular listener in Tennessee that's going to eat this one up. So Ray, that one is for you.

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Something that I pulled out of it that I thought that was particularly interesting is one quote that I really want to hammer

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Here is policy change can reduce correctional control and improve public safety. From 2007 to 1637 states experienced simultaneous drops in their community corrections and crime rates. In many cases, these gains followed adoption of evidence based remember that when I was talking about the homeopathy stuff a minute ago, evidence based sentencing and correction reforms that prioritize scare supervision and treatment resources for high risk individuals invested in risk reduction programs and created incentives for and compliance. Can you imagine like, Larry, hey, you're going to get out of prison? And if you do, well, we're going to we're going to keep extending your curfew until you have no curfew at night. You'd be like, shoot, yeah, I'll mama board with that. I don't want to have to be home at five o'clock at night. So I'll follow the rules and I'll get to have an unlimited curfew.

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That sounds good.

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So well, I took I took some I mean, the article says four and a half million people were on probation. The end of 2016 but I took I took something out of it about the

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That probation and parole revocations for technical violations, not new crimes constitute the largest share of admissions. two presidents particular in Georgia. Rhode Island, it mentioned that that's that's one and 18. Now, that's all part. But, but but there's a there's a

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ratio of admissions to prison and the more people you have on probation, the more admissions you're going to have to prison if you rich rigorously enforce the most slight technical violation, such as being late for curfew? Yeah, although 50 state date are not available. Research has found that probation and parole revocations contributed significantly to prison admissions in several states in 2015 probation. revocations made up 55% of all its ambitions in Georgia and 61% of Rhode Island, while parole revocations account for 54% of all prison admissions at Arkansas. You kind of see the problem. I do very much that these these revocations are not necessary.

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company with new criminality their tech writing by politicians and people in the registry who were being supervised can can identify with that because they have all these rules that are just there I got you moments all throughout the the rules that they have

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anyway tons of charts very another very long article I it showed up it's a kind of its own little bit old as far as I don't know how it ended up showing on my radar it's a about a I don't know six weeks old but good article good information that I think just provide some insight into how our probation system is trapping people so to speak, or, you know, they're just just, it's just crap when we get out. We're not really being set up to be successful. We have too many barriers and hurdles. Forget being on the registry, because that's just that's just land Yap. And the system is just flawed and and we're the ones that made it we're the ones that made it and just think of all the money that's made off of supervision now because in some states they've privatized

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The supervision of your state might be one of them, or they've got private super. But by the entities particular at the at the lower fence level and then all the technology costs that are related to various types of monitoring from GPS tracking to alcohol monitoring.

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Yeah. Did you have to pay these probation supervision calls which can be significant? Yes, you got GPS cost and and supervision costs to pay I mean you can be paying a lot of money it's a it's a it's an it's an industry as part of this man is hard to dismantle industries. Yeah, well, you're you're that I had heard some time ago that your GPS tracking stuff could be several hundred dollars a month. Now they have included in your cell phone, it's still not cheap, but you know, you already have a phone. So if you tack on the additional cost. It's not I don't want to work this the wrong way. It's not that bad, because you're already going to pay 50 or hundred bucks a month for a cell phone and now you throw in the monitoring aspect of it. It's not that much more.

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If that makes sense and I'm paying for a whole separate you know, like an ankle monitor to be attached you know you're already going to carry your phone now you have your tracking device that's just going to be with you there but how do I make sure it's with you?

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Oh, get to take a picture and then also a little voice recognition so yeah that's awesome. Two o'clock in the morning your screen lights up to take a picture of you like a flash almost yet. That's not that's not going to wake you up and disrupt your sleep. Oh, not a problem. I don't see any problem with that. No, absolutely not. I'm

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Not ready to become a patron. Give a five star review at Apple podcasts or Stitcher or tell your buddies that your treatment class about the podcast we want to send out a big heartfelt support for those on the registry keep fighting without you, we can't succeed, you make it possible. And the next article which is which is super fun considering the job situation that we're in now. So my HTC. com says that the tight job market leads GA's youth jails chronically understaffed

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well if we roll back the clock about eight years or so I bet you you the unemployment rate was pretty high so you could get all kinds of people to work in the prison system and now that the unemployment rate is what 40% and 7 million open jobs in the US something like that it's hard to get what that's that's what I was going to South that's why through this article in here because yeah the the booming economy which is

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been booming, not just for the last two years, we've had a very good economy for a number of years. But magically people recognize the last two years. But but we've got, we've got

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the people have heard me say that people don't when they're looking at their career path bear a few people say a mall want to work in a jailhouse. Well, there's an exception to that people do want to gravitate there people who actually do want to work with juvenile offenders and what it's getting to the point that you can't staff, the juvenile facilities, which is where people are most likely willing to want to work because they think they can save the youth and I have met people in my life that said, they weren't work with youth offenders. I can't recollect, I've met a bison, I can't wait to work an adult prison man, that's going to be a career path. I can't wait. But but here it is that they have made your staffing shortages at the place where you're likely to have people willing to work with a juvenile offender population. What does that tell us about what's going on in the George's adult presence right now? I think we can extrapolate. I can I can tell you even

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When, like you had the high unemployment rate, it was still understaffed, like grossly understaffed. You just can't get people to work in those conditions. It's just too awful. Why would you want to go do that every day and have people cuss you out and spit on you? and other things of that nature? Why would you want to go there for a job that pays 12 bucks an hour, 11 bucks an hour? So Well, according to that this is Atlanta journal.com or website, this story written in Atlanta Journal quarter that little the juvenile detention centers are running it less than 60% of their security staffing positions. So that means if you're in there and some kind of pulse rotation breaks out,

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there's no one that's gonna come rescue you until you have lost all of your teeth and you have an eyeball out of your head. Yes. And then it said that the youth detention center in August as 44% of it. So officers and that great yeah, that means those officers have to work longer shifts like they're already working 12 hour shifts, they're going to be working longer shifts.

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They're going to be pulled in on their off days, they're going to be cranky, they're going to be tired, they're not even going to want to do the work. So they're going to do as minimal stuff as possible. Hey, if you're in the contraband business, this is probably a great time to be involved in the prison system

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so well i think the solution is to kick more people out of the United States Oh I thought you're gonna say kick them out of prison you know, because if we're already have a worker shortage which we have chronic worker shortage in many parts of the country but it makes sense to me to kick out more people that would be willing to do the work I've got I've got the answer kick them out kick out more of the people that hear that would be willing to work if we weren't kicking them out that is the solution

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I see wrapped up people that are here illegally and kick them out the people that are working told them off their jobs and then we need to fortify border with armed guards and make sure that no one comes in hang on are we for to find the border well I see a picture today of military people like laying down yeah.

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Isn't it isn't a president trying to ask the Pentagon to give the military more authority to be police? We're probably going a little too far with this. But But my point is that we week, we're in the position right now to absorb immigrants to an orderly process with immigration reform is long overdue. Yeah, now that our our economy is suffering, we're actually going to start suffering economic of

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underperformance. Because when companies can no longer hire the workers to they need that cuts, they're productive app pro product output if you don't have workers. And so I would say that maybe perhaps this will put pressure on our political establishment to come to an agreement about immigration reforms that will bring in the people we need under a process where that they can be properly vetted and stop the illegal entries or at least reduce so we're never going to stop illegal interest. We've got longer borders on both North and South and people are going to want to come to the United States and the other way would stop illegal interest would be

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I have a country that nobody would want to come to. But otherwise people are always going to come here. I mean, that's sort of like the, the, the double edged sword there. If you have a place that people want to get to, they're going to try and figure out a way to get there. I mean, I don't I doubt that Boca, boca de Shou has some

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people beating the doors down but that's not a place you want to be but us as long as we have a great nation people are going to want to come here I mean we should be proud that people are trying to come here and we should be willing to make it possible for the workers we need to come here and we need workers right now I know miles model point that the contract I know

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we were trying to try to build homes and major cities in the construction industries they're just they're just desperate try to try to ride your certain industries right now hospitality they're desperate for workers hot tech certain parts of it oh yeah understand know all of it works yeah all of it all about well and you know on that note that note alone because I follow this particular industry really heavily the IT security stuff, there's a

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million jobs available to to qualified workers. And it's a very high tech and you know people aren't going to be interested in it and it's very technical and all that. I get that but it's also six figure income if you do get there,

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and if there's a job market that is that deficient of qualified workers, I gotta think that they'll be like, oh, conviction, don't care,

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tattoos don't care, nose ring don't care. Long hair and beard don't care. They're just going to keep cutting off the list because they need a person and if you're qualified in that job, they're going to take all the other things out. Hey, there's funny there's another article coming up here just about that too.

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All right. Well, I don't know that we've ever covered an article from the California group's website this is from the Alliance for constitutional sexual offense or sex offense laws and this happened

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two weeks ago it says California Governor vetoed eight sex offender bills the details in the article are kind of light they do list the the bill names but Governor Jerry Brown who's

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The like I repeat governor he was governor what 30 years ago and he's come back and or more than 30 he was in the in the 70s he's been he's had a variety of jobs including Mayor vocal or in general and and I got governor but did this we take their word the lines of the actual people their analysis of these bills would have been devastating or at least disadvantaging people the registry and he vetoed so what the message I would like for people take for the frog This is that there are politicians out there who are willing to stand firm and say enough is enough and Governor Brown is one of them some of people probably think he's a liberal do good wacko and all that kind of stuff but Governor Brown to my knowledge is the only governor who has ever vetoed a bill that would have disadvantaged registering and if anybody else can point out other details not don't don't don't tell me a veto that sex offender supported because you could easily site to government excellence veto bill and was

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That the offenders wanted a few years ago that would have actually made it better to have a tiered registry and a removal process that would actually be fair like that crappy builders they just passed but if their governments with Vito bills that would have made life worse for sex offenders, please let us know because that's coming up to my memory. Yeah. So it was really kind of shout out to to Governor Brown and just and just for historical background. I didn't know you a year ago before we started this podcast and I just said I just randomly typed in an email address and said, Hey, I'm looking to start a podcast and I want a co host Can you bs your way in knowing about the registry? That's who you are. Right?

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I'm not following you. Oh, I'm being silly that you're kind of an expert on the subject and have been following it for a long time. Okay. So Well, yeah. I just don't know of any vetoes that that that the words it's going to make it tough for. For offenders. those bills are always signed, whether it be to press

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at your level or whether it be at a state level so Brown is out there by himself but he's been willing to be controversial altruist political career, and yeah and you know, I remember when I ml was, was working its way through and people were are our people were trying to do like letter writing campaigns to try and get Obama did not sign AI ml and you know he signed I know that's that's my only example that I can think of in my time of advocacy and I said he would and any president would have at that time and

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I tell people that if they've things get to the chief executive particular when there's been no opposition below and as far as I was concerned there was no opposition because it was unanimously passed they're not going to detail something as far as I would think was was good legislation particularly an election year right but but this thing with Governor Brown it gives me more admiration for him because he may be kind of wacky in some areas you might want on environmental regulation because California is going forward.

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Went to the renewables but but there again things are important to you like not make your life worse he was there for you yeah yep yep yep

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well there was an article inbox that I don't remember if it was you were me that put this in there I only wanted to bring it up because of the title really is how it looks can influence courtroom bias and there's a guy that was in brought up on charges for inciting

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kind of like hate speech kind of things Miss best one of us the for profit president did you want to skip Oh I know no I didn't mean to skip that my bad I just was looking ahead I'm sorry yeah let's let's back up we can we can do it quickly. But I thought that the number of times itself so hilarious, yeah, yeah.

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So we'll run through this one then we'll backtrack back to that one. So this guy john kinsmen of the proud boys, they show a picture of him like on his original hearing, and I'm he looks totally like a lumberjack guys, hairs long. He's got one of the big scraggly beard. He's got overalls on and you

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would totally Look at him and go, that's a hillbilly, and that would totally be a white supremacist, racist lynching. Kind of that's what you would think. And then you would go well the guys obviously guilty of whatever he's been charged of. And then they show right side by side of it, he's got some kind of square black frame glasses, you know, maybe like something from the 50s or 60s is got his hair cut back kind of spiky little look and trending now he's in a suit and a tie looking like men in black and you know, it looks just kinda like a normal dude that goes to work on not Wall Street but you know, just downtown and an office somewhere you got to think that that would influence how the jury would then

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you know, do some kind of sentencing bond hearing whatever well it does if people who pretend like that that looks don't matter or being disingenuous they matter to all of us yeah, we we we make we formulate opinions and impressions based on how people appear to us. It's based on our life experience now people who had been living and if that had grown

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up looking like what he looks in the picture on the left they wouldn't have the same reaction that a person who grew up worshipping a Southern Baptist Church why I'm not picking on Southern Baptists but they tend to dress very nicely at least in my day when I was when I was going to Southern Baptist churches that you put on your Sunday best and everybody you you're going to react differently when you see when you see someone who looks the way he looks there he he would kind of look scary to the average person yes i would i would be fearful of that

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and and we want safety and we're gonna look at will have on the jury here and I'd rather be safe than sorry Boy, that guy looks like he could be very scary. But that's not what you're supposed to do it right. That's the way you do do it. I was at a Target store the other day and there again, the labor storage comes the issue comes up in terms of how desperate they are to hire people and they they have been known as one of the better employers for a long time. In fact, they're trying to get their starting wage up to 15. I think they're 13 an hour now but us

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I had to talk to a guy who had was he had such a big bolted screw said in his know

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that I that I had to hear your breathing through it because it was affecting his hair passages

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and I did not want to hear that did I have Frankenstein on his name tag no he didn't have Frankenstein but just me having to hear that noise was more than I could stand it I was irritated about it it was like well that's a prejudice of mine I shouldn't be the course but but I am I found that irritating as well I'm thinking why can't these people put him in the back room you know cleaning up the dumpster or something hi fi I on the sales floor

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I should I shouldn't have reacted that way but I'm human right no I think I can probably get some support to rally around that you are not human okay well I'm Vulcan but still I reacted

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direct that reacted in a rational way no probably not national and he might be a very dependable worker Hey by show up exactly on schedule.

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Hey might be very good at helping customers I want to hear I just didn't want to hear all that noise yes yes yes yes

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all right well we beat that dead horse

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only a handful articles left a leading I didn't realize that this See, I don't know I should have known that this existed leading for profit prison and immigration detention medical company I didn't realize that that existed they were sued at least 1300, 95

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times.

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Um. You would have to think if there's going to be private prisons that there would be private medical prison facility kind of things I just didn't put it together but they have a boatload of infractions that civil rights violation kind of things and offering less than great care or even adequate care to inmates. And a Colorado Springs attorney decided to sue core care solutions and yeah, good times.

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I put it in there just to give me a chance to pontificate. I I I like to remind people who talk about the private sector solution to all problems and government is the is the evil. And I'm not saying that government presidents don't have the problems absolutely they do. But as I've said many times, it's very hard to find it was only like in the last year I found someone who said they prefer to private prison over a government operated prison. They said because of the air conditioning versus public presence i didn't i would say to I would tell you that but but but people who were in privatized prisons don't tend to get very good reports about the quality of staffing, the quality of the food, the quality of the medical and the quality the programming or anything like that and this of this company to be sued this many times is

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and I just put it in there to remind people that it not only does the government do things sometimes was not the best of outcomes.

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The private system their private free enterprise system also does things with not the best outcomes. That's all reason I put it there is that that you can't say governments all bad, you can't say the private sector is all perfect and purist when driven stuff I do have to say in in this particular like this focused on this particular situation I don't think that you can be profit driven to be successful unless you tie your profit to the success of the people that you're being charged with. They are just being their contract is only like to keep these people inside the walls and more or less alive. That is their whole incentive structure. It's not like, Hey, can you guys do better? Almost like the charter school model? Can you guys do better at releasing offenders back into the public? Can you prove that you've done a better job? And then you could you could focus all of your energy down that way if they could prove that there's lower recidivism rate and so forth, and not cherry picking their inmates? Well, that was the debate with

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Here are our state i both believe still has the highest percentage of its bad Thunder private management video, the states and that was what they said here was that we can actually do all those things. And we can do it better. Because the what they the way they cast the public system was that it's an employment of nepotism and incompetent people and too much bureaucracy and the prison and we need to get those people kind of like to what you hear about public schools, there's too much administration there's too much we need to get these resources into the classroom when they use the same argument about the presence they said that we we can do it more efficiently and we can clear out all the bureaucracy and we can provide for better outcomes now I have not seen any statistical evidence to back that up right I don't know if they actually compiled in in terms of recidivism rate of people who have been in the private system and and and unfortunately you may meander through our system you may be on a public facility for a while and you may go to a private it's probably the same way in other states, but you don't exclude them.

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Stay in

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public or private, depending on your state and the corrections department

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was that your experience, you kind of meander your way through through public and private facilities, or I did. But my experience is that people generally got slotted into one or the other and they stayed there. I ended up moving between two state facilities or two private facilities. Then I moved on then to state facilities because of classes that I was required to take.

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And the private ones didn't have the class at the time or maybe not the right bed space for you know, against the timeline that I was getting out. Because as you've brought up before, if the model of prison was to rehabilitate you then you would start rehabilitation day one not wait to six months or a year before you get out and start rehabilitating then just to check off a box that says, Yeah, we've rehabilitated mess, not how that my situation was at all. It didn't seem to go that way. It was like, Oh, hey, he's got 12 months. We need to get him through these classes. So I like what's coming next.

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Yeah this is good times man

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this young

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man and a half of Eclipse are coming Uh huh. Yeah. This would sell it to set it up. It's from Tulsa, Oklahoma and I just to reverse engineer there's a law that has come down where they're effectively banishing people from the city boundaries

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got hundreds of sex offenders here that we have no idea with reliving Tulsa police. A new sex offender registration laws are going to make that problem even worse. When they take effect. On Thursday. He says crime reporter Lori full brightness on the story with a story you'll only see on six

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total. Police say the new sex offender laws will essentially make the entire city of Tulsa out of bounds for sex offenders to live which they say essentially like citizens less safe than they were before. This is where it tells the sex offenders go to register

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starting Thursday. They're going to learn there is basically no place left in the entire city for them to live. The new law says no sex offender can live within 500 feet of

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victim of any sex crime, whether that crime happened last year or 20 years ago, feel good legislation is all it is. It also adds home, daycares to the 2000 foot rule, DHS has nearly 200 home, daycares, which means all of those areas are now, off limits. Our legislators feel like oh, they're just going to move. No, they're not. They're going to stay right here. They're just not going to register. He says that defeats the whole purpose of the law, which was to let the public know where sex offenders live. I put you in a room with 20 rattlesnakes. Do you want me to leave the light on where you can see them? Or do you want me to turn it off where you can't see them? You want the light on? You want to know where the sex offenders are living totally has 460 registered sex offenders and one officer to keep track of them all. How concerned are you about what's going to happen after that? Well, it's

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I don't know how we're going to I really don't i don't know how we're going to find a place that they can live legally. And of course, these law changes apply to everywhere in Oklahoma.

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Police believe the sex offenders who are already living there won't have to move that any new sex offenders who come in will have to abide by all these new laws on the scene on the story in Tulsa, Lori Fulbright news on six I will contest is his statement about Would you rather know about the 20 rattlesnakes or not? You could easily not know that these people are there and probably not. No, no, you wouldn't know any difference. Otherwise, it just doesn't. It doesn't. They shouldn't be on the there shouldn't be a registry to know where they're living or not just doesn't matter. Well, that was when I first heard the part about this feel good legislation. I'm thinking of this as a police officer who actually gets it right. And then when he goes on to say that about the rattlesnakes of the we need to know where these people are, and the community so No, I mean, the inferences is totally bad there

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but you know, I take my glass half full he did acknowledge

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that this is bad public policy to feel good legislation. Yes. And that you you want to

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That into an asset. So the Oklahoma people need to convert him into their advocacy effort. And he needs to be willing. Clearly, if he's willing to say that on a TV broadcast, he's willing to say that in a committee hearing he needs to be he needs to be at the Capitol in Oklahoma City talking about this feel good legislation on about how it's going to actually undermine the very intent of the registry which we don't support because the registry doesn't work but you take whatever Allah you could get that that was that was good. The first part of his quotes were good. What about what about the effective banishment of the city boundaries of Tulsa? Well he don't seem to be clear about it doesn't appear to be retroactive but you're kind of you're kind of stuck where you are because once you move then those there's going to be a victim within within zone of everybody that waiting for you'd want to live and of course how are you to know that that part? I mean, do they have a list of victims on pinpoint locators for an offender of know when you're shopping for the park?

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Granted there's a victim I don't see how this could possibly work Oh and I could be you could be a victim from another state and does that mean there's a victim registry and now you as a victim have to go in and register with your local police of the kingdom No

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thanks to this whole thing is silly. And nobody had the you know what the hell up over there and when they were debating this and it would be hard to vote no, because you'd be voting against victims without without someone laying it out succinctly. It would be hard to vote against something like this. That's funny, but it's not really management because you can be in Tulsa like a safe you take the literally construction, what banish what is interested in colonial times. banishment was not letting people be in town during the daytime to shop and spend money and then they have to leave at night banish about what you had to leave and not come back into town when these people are not being totally Tulsa. They're just been told the chat live within both the 2000 feet of a victim.

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Right. But then there was also the daycare I think was 2000 feet of a daycare facility.

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Right. But but but they're not banishing you, you can still you can still do Business and Commerce and Tulsa. You just can't live there. Oh, I you always go back to that you're not. You just can't say, I know, I know if you want to be a literalist and go by, and courts have interpreted bash, but looking at what that I just I think I gave the example of of the challenge in Alabama with a McGuire case. The district judge said, Well as I study and banishment. banishment was not telling people that they have to not live somewhere it was telling them, you have to leave the territory and they're not telling the sex offenders you have to leave the territory

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that's not management as it was understood in colonial times. Now, you don't want to expand the definition of benchmark to include just where you can't sleep at night, do you? Because management we should look at that what the framers, founding fathers would have thought at the time right now. I think you're poking fun at people

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what I'm trying to get people to say.

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know, I know, I know. I know. I know. I'm poking fun back.

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Yeah I don't if you can't sleep to me it feels more like if you can't sleep they're sleeping is a third of your time give or take, not to mention the time that you would spend doing your personal hygiene and maybe doing some cooking stuff you spend 50% if not 60 or 70% of your time in your home and you can't be there that would be banishment well that's an expanded definition of baggage but but but it wasn't how the founding fathers would have understood it and that's because everybody lived 20 miles away by a horse that took you three days to get to town you know well but uh. But euro euro leverage my start you I am not I can see some points that makes sense to be but No I am not one of those people

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alrighty well alright the next article second the pen ultimate article is Do you see how they spell

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This word the first word of the article that's interesting them crazy UK people they spell where it's funny This is from Sky News and I have a clip it's not the best clip and also I warn you now they talk funny they talk really really funny but the article title is pedophile hunters banding together to track down suspects

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were not interested in that

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area for your online activities that you've been doing first message I'm 11

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she stated or a straight away

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is he's a slavery maze

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he said it before it's been quite a quite a few times before in terms of this language and what he's talking about

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quite dangerous especially with the amount of children that you're speaking to

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Pictures just handed out on images of the male and the current current image of him was believed to be looking like at this moment with verified through video call so he is a sudden this mail that we're going to see tonight

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we've listened to your phone calls we've listened

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making calls a child

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is not sorry you can damage these children for the rest of their lives I think then they they show that the the guy gets taken away in handcuffs

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What do you think about vigilantes?

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Well

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the reality of the time we're living in government is assisting and it's tragic

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to me to play the clip of the the rioters again protesters now

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I don't I don't think so. I just I don't know why we're glorifying vigilantism. This country the the the shares in Georgia we're promoting it with their signs. Certainly if they weren't promoting it they were making it more

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socially acceptable Yeah, we're making it that we're making people who would not have thought about it when I see a sign like that it I just I don't know what to say what what have we come to where we were of our morals gone well Now that said this is in the UK this in Manchester. So it's not it's not us. But we've covered the subject before and we've seen similar things of people in the US they they they stage fake victims to chat with somebody online to I mean, that's pretty much the definition. To me. That's the definition of entrapment, except for you throw in that as soon as you knew that the person was under age that you would have stopped then then it would continue, then it would be entrapment if they continue to pursue you. Well, we've got several schemes operating here in the United States are there

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Were there were there are pretending to be something they're not to get people to come and these are these are not official law enforcement groups or do right yes it did we did we do it on a couple we did go yeah yeah it's probably six or so episodes ago

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yeah that's not cool and like I said the people there that's a that's some pretty thick accent stuff going on there it was hard to understand understand some of what they were saying yes I'm crazy Brits man and the last article is from Nevada current voting from jail if not convicted it's a right

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we you know so election is on Tuesday so if you can get out to vote if you if you know somebody that can vote get them to do us a favor and vote the right way

 1:34:46  
but we have a bunch of states where you can't vote How do you think that the Florida one's gonna going to come out with the felons are banished from voting for forever Do you think that's going to pass the indications are from the polling data off say that

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has to be a super majority I forget what the level is but the indications are that there's a very good chance that's going to pass course sex offenders are excluded from that as you get was violent crimes in sex offenders if I'm not mistaken yeah it's but it's a step in the right direction yeah if if all life as we know it does not end after these people assuming this passes there's nothing to stop another member other than the political will to do it

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but but but it's it's a step in the right direction it's tragic that that the people were left out there were left out right

 1:35:33  
well that article again we've covered it before but it's just another just another article that's that's supporting that even as a convicted felon maybe not while you're in prison but post prison and if not while you're still on supervision absolutely after you're done with supervision you should just automatically without doing anything it should just flip a switch and you should be able to vote again and you know there's the two states where you can vote even while you're in prison. Oh wait you know what I take that like this article is about if you

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Let's you know you're driving without a license whatever you're trying to

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I'm sorry this is about pre trial the dance right and you end up getting locked up and you happen to cross over November 6 while you're still a mock up and you've now you've missed your chance to to vote

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that I can see some angles in there where you're you know, if you are you know, you're politically active you could have adversaries come after you and put you in lockup to prevent you from being active up to the up to and leading to the election.

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Absolutely. But there's there certainly logistical challenges we're trying to turn detention facilities for people in potential pre trial into the election but it can be done apparently there is article reference where they had done it right. Yeah. Why couldn't you just have absentee ballots just there at the jail? Well, doesn't sound like that would be that hard. You said your state you can vote anywhere in the state.

 1:37:00  
lecture day, anywhere your county or anywhere in your county, not anywhere in the state. Okay? It doesn't sound like it would be that hard to extend it out to the state either to me, you know, we do have these things called computers we have we have battled on demand, so you can go to any voting location and when they pulled your registration update could generate your ballot. But in prison, I mean, would it be possible to have a ballad on demand system where they can generate that person's ballot, I suppose, though, but even if we can pull it off absentee balance, you have to be requested and you have to apply for them the white for the common and Okay, you have to send it back and you have to send it in outer envelope and put it on an interval open and they separate themselves of anonymity. And there's but but but, logistically, I think I think it can be done seems like you'd have to have the will to do it. And there's there's the fear that people in prison are going to vote the wrong way. I don't know that that fear is justified. I overwhelmingly find people who have been incarcerated are very conservative.

 1:38:00  
And it's conservative generally seem seem to be so frightened of people voting and it seems like this will be a new voting bloc for them because people have come out of jail same to vote conservative far as I can see. So

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maybe this would actually enhance their voting totals they they certainly do seem to be showing me what will you you're ready to present but did you did you make more liberals are more presidents experience a year from I don't even know how to answer that people are so generally they're they're incredibly disengaged from the process in its entirety they're not informed on the subject wouldn't say it's terribly different than the general population in general. People just do not care what people said Hip hip hooray where they say hip or right to Obama where they said HIPAA or right to somebody else. Well, in Georgia, it's a very, very, very, very heavy majority of people are of color in prison. So when Obama got elected, it was a big deal. I mean, they were very happy so I suspect if you were in in minutes Yeah.

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But I mean you know it's it's just very heavily black people in prison here in Georgia so you're not gonna like jump up and say no oh now you're racist so that that wouldn't go over well at least not from my experience and that was my first time and hopefully last time ever experiencing that situation I was a little scared

 1:39:20  
well my experiences that that most of them identify more on the on politically on the right people been incarcerated they they tend to a smells very conservative principles. And so I think the conservatives maybe needlessly frightened by the thought of people who have criminal records voting because I don't think it'd be does asked you to them. But I think it might be you had a big influence in Florida to the voting roles, you may end up having almost 600, 700,000

 1:39:46  
voters on your team, right? Yeah, I know I understand your logic I hadn't quite considered that way when you brought it up to me the first time maybe a month or two ago.

 1:39:56  
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Larry tell people how they can share the podcast and help our audience grow. Well, I I've been telling that for for a long time now. But you can share the podcast and help us grow by spreading the word and people people should listen to this great production

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registry matters dot CEO what's the phone number they can reach us at?

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I'll do my best 772274477. That's why my laughing so like the airplane. Because on the on the on the broadcast Wednesday night, I had the Erik Aude done at seven to seven but the part you don't tell the people was that after the final notice went out I asked you people

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Are they take our people texting and register entering the coma? Oh, yeah. I'm getting

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like, I had to save that on the program. I couldn't say Nope, nothing. Because then it'd be like, God, nobody likes us. Well, so then I happen to look back through the email. And so it was like, Oh, now I know why there aren't any messages. So some poor SAP out there with a seven to seven. The rest of the number got a lot of strange text messages if there's such a number of existence, right? But then how can people help? How can people email us the way that their previous people did last week? Oh,

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wow, that's helpful. So they have to listen to the episode 48 to figure out how to email us

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or they could do it at registry matters. cast@gmail.com and then how, what is the best way to support the podcast,

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win the lottery and give us 10%. Oh, wow. That's a neat idea. So let's see. It was what 2 billion was a 2 billion that came out well, close to it. I don't like

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One and a half billion and another 500 million. So yeah, it goes to $2 billion. Wow. Man, that would be $200 million straight to registry matters. Yeah, that'd be all right. Like that.

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What do you think that would help get us through the lean times? Yes, we would make it through the lean times then. So how can you what's the best way

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Patreon patreon.com slash registry matters. What is the minimum amount that someone can give us? $1 per month? That sounds like a bargain. So a lot of information and content material for $1. Yeah, and you get to you get to a started so you get to kick your radio, but nobody's using radios anymore. Nobody's wearing what would they? What would they pound on when they're mad at us? What would what would be the equivalent of turning the radio off and if they through their phone? Because most people have a thing to podcasts over their phones. If you throw your phone, then you've just thrown $1,000 device at the wall. And that's just sounds like a bad idea. Well, or else you could have a $30 one like me, and then you could afford to throw it at the wall and go get another one. All right, then I guess that's one way to look.

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In it

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yeah well

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that's all I got very well thank you for being with us tonight are registered matters thank you very much and FYI P and thank everyone for their support and listening to us and and do try to help us grow. We need to have we need to double this podcast by year for one year from now that would be awesome. I don't think that's hard to do. I think we should set that higher but double sounds good. Well, we can go for triple them. All right, triple it is. So we need triple numbers. Anybody that wants to reach in and know what the numbers are set to help us get there. So all right later, man. Good night. Bye.