Unknown 0:01 Hey, I hope you and Larry have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Take care. Thanks for the puck office. Great by Unknown 0:10 recording live from FL IP studios West and an undisclosed location transmitting across the internet. This is Episode 52 of registry matters. Good evening, Larry. How are you doing? Great. Andy, how are you? I'm well, I guess kind of Cobra and though they are, you know, Thanksgiving Day, it didn't go above freezing, which was pretty stellar. Unknown 0:35 Not quite that cold here but it has it has chilled out yes, no doubt. I think the United States is definitely feeling a little bit of a cold spell. Unknown 0:44 So here we are on a Friday night which is not normally our data record. And there was just some stuff that came out this week with like the final article that we're going to cover and just seemed that we kind of needed to put something together spur the moment even though I was traveling Unknown 1:00 And so hope you guys I hope you preach appreciate the quote unquote bonus episode. Well it shows the dedication of the FYI p staff absolutely and they deserve a raise. We're not going to miss a podcast unless it's unavoidable because of our loyal audience that we're trying to serve. Unknown 1:22 We did a we received a voicemail message from our regular at a Tennessee and he wanted to throw in some questions and comments regarding the individual that we interviewed last week with the marriage of one so William Unknown 1:38 Hello, this is William again and I'm still listening to the latest episode 51. Let's talk about shower heads and listen to that core gentleman up in Kentucky who can't get medical marijuana to curb the nausea which is the side effect of the chemo he's taking. And I just wanted to ask a question how much of this the result Unknown 2:00 This to decriminalizing is because of the influence number one of your privatized correctional companies and I guarantee you the biggest segment of their offenders are drug offenders and marijuana is a big part of that. So you're cutting profit from the private prisons who have a very powerful lobby not only that look at how many federal, state and federal employees make money off of marijuana. Look how many agencies can profit by seizing assets of people who have been found in possession of a certain quantity of marijuana. And I wonder also how much Big Pharma plays into this because if there is something natural light marijuana that treats seizure disorders and nausea from chemo better than their expense, super expensive medication. Unknown 3:01 How much lobby from the drug industry is going in to fight legalization of marijuana because it would cut their profits and I just wanted to throw that two cents in there it goes every time I listen to your party gets me the thinking and I always with the government follow the money again thank you for the great work you do. And that's just my two cents on that issue. Have a good one. Unknown 3:26 If we roll the clock back, my brother in law died of HIV way, way, way back pretty fairly early in the epidemic and he was just pretty much naturally resistant to it. And I recall information coming out then that vitamin C in mass doses was very much a would help stave off the end results. And you know, this is before like today it's just you take some pills and you will live basically a normal life but back then it was a death sentence. And I wonder if vitamin C is just you know, just an over the counter. Unknown 4:00 thing you can buy it in a gazillion pills for $2 how much you know so related to that comment there at the end talking about Big Pharma I don't believe in conspiracy theories so some of that stuff seems like and not so sure but I definitely can see the pig farmer would be opposed to having medicinal marijuana because it's just something you could grow in your backyard Unknown 4:20 well I every time I hear William I like him more and more because he he's he's actually zeroed in on on lot of what what's going on Unknown 4:30 I've been privy to a lot of the discussion on the legalization of marijuana and they don't say those things directly about the about the correctional system but indirectly it's there but they they disguise it and they claim that is because it's a gateway drug and that the crime is going to be that they're going to move from that drug to harder drugs and the crime it's got to go through the roof but I'm I'm thinking that he's actually right on target because Unknown 5:00 The status quo what ever it is, it's difficult to get people to want to change. Because if you all of a sudden don't have all these people going through the through the system and receiving jail time jobs are at stake. This is big business. And you start to talk about closing a prison. And if you look around, most prisons are not located in urban areas, unless, unless they have to. But if you look at your state prison systems, your federal prison systems, they're typically located out of urban zones, and that's the big employer of the town. Right? If you think about you, with your Georgia Department corrections, how many of them are located in urban settings that you can recall? Yeah, I mean, the only way that I was ever going to get a visit was to have someone drive two or three hours to come see me and so I I tend to think that he's actually got it analyzed correctly. I have not heard those arguments directly, but they're not going to make those arguments publicly at a hearing. Those are the types of arguments they're going to make the lobbyist was going to come in and make those one on one with the lawmaker. Unknown 6:00 It's going to be in a confidential setting where they're hoping that it's not going to be repeated they're not going to say this is going to drop us out of business now if it's something that's not as as as hot button emotional is as this issue they will the taxi industry will come in and say Hoover's driving us out of business they'll they'll actually say that publicly but I've not heard the the the people that are opposed to legalization of marijuana saying that you're going to drive our pharma are our sales of big expensive drugs down I've not heard but I have heard him actually say that they're concerned about the the the wall the hoops they have to jump through to have their drugs approved and then this here has not ever been approved by the FDA which is correct as far as I know the as the FDA approved but it's a medicinal benefits of of marijuana know I'm pretty sure that's no but that would also go to well I mean, I guess has co Unknown 7:00 K never been approved. That's also schedule one. But that's used in hospital settings. Unknown 7:05 It is. Well maybe cocaine excuse me heroin there are there are those maybe it's I guess morphine. morphine is what I'm thinking Never mind warping. Yeah and that's probably on the list of things that haven't been FDA approved I'm just going to guess you know schedule one drug they can't do a whole lot of testing on it because you know it's banned by the federal government Unknown 7:26 well well I'd like I like Williams train of thought I think that that he may be on to to all of this has a bearing on Monday and the displacement that's going to happen when we make a radical changes, it's going to displace people. That's why we're hanging on to fossil fuels for dear life. Because on the flip side of that, for sure, but on the flip side of that, it opens up new jobs for people to transition into something else, you know, I mean, obviously, we don't have people making horseshoes very much anymore. Unknown 7:54 Those people got jobs elsewhere. I know but that's a scary thing. Yeah. Unknown 8:00 mean we've gone through with this radical change from an industrial country to an information technology based country and just left a lot of people behind it. That's had a lot to do with the 2016 election because people who had good paying stable careers in the heavy industry no longer have those jobs. And it's so scary thing. Lot of people with a two point plus million, whatever it is 2.4, 2.6 Unknown 8:22 million people incarcerated another millions more under supervision. This is big business in America. We're not talking about something that doesn't affect people's lives. That affects a lot of people's lives. Oh, certainly. Certainly. Certainly. Um, you ready to move on and cover some articles? Let's do it. Unknown 8:39 Alright, the first article that we have comes from the Marshall project, and it is covering the details of the first step act and some one of the one that I just I keep reading about that I just can't even fathom is how you ever consider shackling. A woman who's giving birth that one drives me apps Unknown 9:00 Literally insane, but that hey, that's in there. It's under the category of enforcing existing rules. And but I know that that was something in Georgia that just passed in either 14 or 16. How in the world do you think that like a woman as she's popping out a baby is going to cause you some grief and possibly runaway? Well, I've said that for years. And what troubles me is why would you even need to make a law firm right, prohibiting that plywood would anybody who makes decisions and the policy arena for that be your local elected Sheriff that has the responsibility to guard a prisoner who's taken from county jail to the hospital Why would you need that Mr. Sheriff to have the law tell you not to shackle a woman who's in the middle of giving birth Unknown 9:51 you claim you don't want big government fly as a tissue forced big government to prohibit you from doing something that you could figure out on your own volition and Unknown 10:00 That is not needed it's dehumanizing and you're doing it for whatever reason you're doing it maybe I don't know what your reasons why wouldn't begin to speculate but it's not warranted is why we need to have a lot of do that is beyond me Do I mean don't you think that like somebody did do something bad so then they're like, Well, you know, we're not going to let that happen again. So just you know, everyone is punished at the expense of the one person that did something bad we're not expensive but because someone did something bad to you know corporal punishment I have not heard of the specific incident said Well, we're a woman has done something that would threaten an officer the middle of childbirth now Wendy Wendy, what do you take the shackles off I'm not I'm not since I don't have any experience in in birthing. I don't know when the jackal should come off. But for a woman not to be able to have her baby and have freedom of movement over arms that are extremities and to be able to hold her child after is born to be I don't know how you Unknown 11:00 You sleep with yourself after you've done this, that you call yourself a religious Bible believing Christian and you do this to another human being really. Unknown 11:12 But anyway, Unknown 11:14 I know why you're going off on a tangent there. There were also things about reducing some of the mandatory minimums giving judges the the the freedom to pursue what kind of sentence they believe would be right. Well, what we're talking about is the is the bill that sitting waiting for, for mitch mcconnell to move. This is the first step correct that we talked about in the previous episode, where we played the recording of Senator Graham make it clear that it's the Republican Party holding this up just so we make sure we reiterate that will this podcast? Yeah, sure. Well, he said he would bring it to the floor if he had 60 votes. And Graham says, Well, she's got at Hang on. I know I know that we're talking from a like a legal perspective and it's not mathematically oriented is at more than 60. Unknown 12:00 I'm thinking it is yes. I'm thinking Unknown 12:03 it's a pretty strong number higher than it's not like a close margin. It's not like a 5149 split in the Senate. Well, I could see but just position if he thought that their 60 votes weren't there, because you have a problem in the Senate, if you can't get to what's called closure, and 60 votes to get the closure. So if bitch genuinely believes that it's a controversial thing, and it's dividing his caucus, it would be reasonable to say, Well, if you don't have enough votes to get the closure. I'm not going to have a bunch of time debating this because we've got some other work that we need to get done. And the lame duck session, which is a session that follows the election, the midterm election, but his own colleague is telling him you not only have the votes for closure, you have 20 votes to spare. Yeah, you still won't do it. So you can't blame that you might get bogged down and controversial debate and it might eat up all this time. Because if Lindsay's right if Senator Graham was right there, they're playing Unknown 13:00 Any of us despair so much you just don't want to do it let's be honest you don't want to do this do you Unknown 13:09 which then you know I keep I keep coming back up and I say this too many people that end up having lunch or dinner with and I'm just like we're just assholes this country we just don't care if it's not mine I don't care about you don't need to worry about helping the guy across the street it's about me making sure that I'm covered and FAQ yep well I'm hoping that our thousands of listeners and Tennessee and Kentucky put pressure on mitch mcconnell they later who controls right now. Right right right right us us liberal do gooders on the other side of the aisle. We can't make this happen. We're in the minority it's your leadership and it's your call if you want this to happen. Unknown 13:52 The next article though comes out of Kansas. com now so Wichita, Wichita, Kansas and Unknown 14:00 This is I'm going to need some help. But if I understand this, right, some inmates were talking to their attorneys and those recordings got released. And because of that, then I guess then the prosecutor has some inside information and that makes almost like an illegal search and seizure of evidence that they have some inside knowledge about the case is that if we close it's very close, you did a fine job with your quick read Unknown 14:27 my lack of understanding mostly Unknown 14:30 Yes, we've long since health of the belief that attorney client privilege community patients are privileged even and correctional settings and although I found this article I can't open it right now, for some reason is just spinning away but that is an essence what happened what's happened is that the that the the they're attempting to get the charges dismissed because there has to be a consequence for misconduct. Unknown 14:55 Otherwise, misconduct will continue and the way you have a consequences Unknown 15:00 The cases that you've benefited from committing the misconduct go away, and perhaps maybe you won't do it again and it finally open for me. So the Federal Public Defender's Office has asked for the release of 67 emanates from, from Kansas federal prison and plans to seek freedom for more than 150 others because authorities secretly recorded commerce, prisoners and their attorneys. It's like Hello, did Do you not understand what you're supposed to do when there was an attorney client meeting taking place? And it says that that's I mean, that's the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution, right? Yes, I like to say it's long established. This is not something new. Unknown 15:39 But let me ask you this, though. We're going to cover an article it's either next or the one after that where they're talking about do the states have to follow the the amendments to the Constitution the sixth being one of the bill of rights to the states then have some sort of angle that they can save. Now we're going to follow that one because we don't want to Unknown 15:58 that that has been tried through the Unknown 16:00 ages and usually they ultimately end up being that the court say that you're part of United States and the Constitution should applies to the state Unknown 16:08 and federal kind of it was written at the time I was taught that the framers, we're talking about the federal I mean, they were they were restricting imposing on the federal debt, you'll do this with federal constitution, but the courts have interpreted to apply the states I would be surprised if they don't interpret desktop lot of states as well. But these are federal inmates here. These are these are this is a federal public defender. Yeah. okay to say that in the first sentence. All right, because I was going to say that we have discussed that, like Maryland's constitution is more restrictive in some certain aspects so you can make it more Twitter, then you can make it less good or you can make it more good than the constitution more strict more protections and so forth. So I was wondering if this wouldn't be something similar to that were greater but not rest. You can provide your state residents greater protection send us Unknown 17:00 constitution but you have to provide that as the baseline but like the the Unknown 17:06 separation of church and state you know that that before that I can't tell you the fact you're the Supreme Court held it that applies to the state government the state local governments as well but that was that that doctrine Felix constitution, they were trying to separate the framers were thinking more about the about the separation of state and the federal I've been separation of church and state at the federal level but the Supreme Court said nope, it applies you can't have a mixture of church and state at any level of government. Yeah. Unknown 17:35 Hmm. And so because of that it is some 67 people could have their cases then thrown out because of this. That's what it appears to be saying there was supposed to be a hearing Friday US District Judge Julie Robin for your arguments Friday in Kansas City. Unknown 17:53 So that's a Friday, Friday or last week Unknown 17:57 it was today but not sure if it was Unknown 18:00 based on the data, the article, Okay, wonderful, 16 prominent, that's our pastor. Unknown 18:05 We probably need to follow up on this little next and see see how how the judge ruled if we get more information, but you got to follow the rules. When you run a correctional facility, you may you have legitimate security considerations. And I mentioned that an article about contraband but you can't just make up your own rules and break all the expectations of privacy between the attorney and client just because you've got contraband issues you baby more search of the attorneys when they come out, or when they come in. And that's what I was just gonna say, I mean, wouldn't be then hey, look, this attorney has been known to be a problem so then we're either going to he can't come in or he gets a more thorough search. I you know, I mean, I guess my attorney came in a couple times and she just went through a sally port and she was in Unknown 18:51 yes anyway we've got we've got a correctional facilities here that do full body scans like they do at the airport where they've looked at what all you but but Unknown 19:00 Security an institution the courts will give great deference to that but intruding on the conversations that's not your business right right. And yeah i mean i guess it's one thing if the prison guards are in there listening and giggling and cracking up but if that information then ends up to the prosecutor you've got big problems because you could flat out just admit to everything to your attorney and then the prosecutors just got hey I got this recording of the guy admitting to it to his attorney. How does the judge then let that even go through? Well I'm hoping not right Unknown 19:32 moving on to hey look SCOTUS blog This is SCOTUS blog. com which gets a reviewed often actually, Amy How is a is a contributing person to a podcast network that I follow for tech stuff and this is about whether the Eighth Amendment ban on excessive fines applies at the state level Unknown 19:54 so an individual named Tyson Tim's in Indiana who lost his land rover after his conviction on Unknown 20:00 State drug charges? Unknown 20:03 Yeah. Where would you draw the line on excessive fines? Oh, that was thing that William was saying inside his voicemail message. You get convicted of XYZ drug charges and they go confiscate everything. And it may or may not be drug related. I know I can see them taking your drug paraphernalia stuff. Okay. But what does it have to do with your house or your car or your cash? I mean, ostensibly you've made those purchases to essentially launder that money but there's no it's not necessarily direct evidence of it Unknown 20:33 well, the the the issue of before the Supreme Court the next article is about all the amicus briefs are coming in because the Supreme Court was going to hear or oral arguments next week Unknown 20:44 which this article sensitive state of 21st it will be next week that they're going to hear the oral arguments but the there's there is excessive fines and the argument is a very, very creative one that taking a person's property amounts to a fine although you're not calling it a fine Unknown 21:00 In this case, they The vehicle was $42,000 in value Unknown 21:05 and it's being it's being confiscated. That's a significant fine. So great state. Does the State have the prerogative of living that it says of them are fine? And does the does the does the constitution Unknown 21:19 prohibition against excessive this? We'll we'll find out right when that could you know that goes to what we were just talking about the Sixth Amendment if that granted that article was about federal people, but if they decided at the state level say, Hey, we don't have to follow the Sixth Amendment. What stops them from not following the first, second, third, fourth through the 10th and all the way through the 27th amendment what prevents them from not following the rest of them so the the intermediate Court of Appeals decided that that that that they did it wasn't excessive fine. But the state Supreme Court it's an Indiana case and state Supreme Court reversed and that's how it gets before US Supreme Court because right Unknown 22:00 There's us cost particular issue of the there's been a cert petition filed and approved the court is intrigued by this issue and they want to resolve this question and we will find out it will see which way the conservatives go data which way so what do you then what would you then consider to be their general positions from a liberal conservative point of view are they going to err on the side of following the constitution or they're going to err on following with the state's want to do my hunch is this one's gonna be a complicated one for the frozen conservative to square their their their conscious because they're gonna want to defer to the states but this this is so extreme that they might even come aboard so I would imagine you're going to have the for liberals and you're possibly going to get a fifth and six vote out of the conservatives on on this but they are they're going to struggle with it I could be quite sort of that but if they already had for that thought it was an interesting case to grant source you're already to hear it right. Unknown 22:58 Um. Cuz the 10th amendment Unknown 23:00 The not to quote it verbatim says the federal government will have no power that which it was not given to by the states so the states are like kind of sorta more powerful than the federal government just in that they decide what the federal government has it just seems interesting that they are trying to sort of buck the authority that they gave the federal government to impose the constitution back down on them I don't know kind of like you know when you point you have three fingers pointing back feels to me it's sort of like that that it's a little role reversal coming back on them well well according to one of the briefs here that in 2012 which just goes to Williams point the the 26 states and district of columbia took it more into 254 million through forfeiture understate laws alone excessive fights or a particular problem in Indiana. He knows Unknown 23:53 state law allow prosecutors to outsource forfeiture cases to private Lords take the case on contingency fees and pocket Unknown 24:00 Hundreds of thousands of dollars every year eBay for four years I don't think those Lord is going to want this to go away Unknown 24:06 to you right? No Certainly not. I remember a case within the last year somebody just like just making a road trip him his girlfriend and in some random state they get pulled over and they had a big chunk of cash let's say it was 50 grand Unknown 24:22 they were apparently not doing anything wrong but for however the competitive search in the car they then confiscate the cash and they're like we're not giving you the cashback like that's my money no you can't have a back but it's my money sorry we need for evidence evidence for what we think there might be a crime What crime and they just held on the cash for months and now the person the the couple doesn't have any cash Unknown 24:47 well I mean clearly for persons running around like cash Andy there so that you're using the banking system and you need to be running debit cards and credit Unknown 25:00 cards. And of course, if a person has cash, they obviously are up to no good. And I don't understand why you can understand that. Yeah, Unknown 25:08 that's a my bed my bed. I mean, Unknown 25:12 we've had a similar discussion and private times and you you tell me you don't understand why anybody would would would ride around with cash so that for that that's what I'm saying you know i would i totally I don't ever drink cash I just don't but that doesn't mean you can't if you want to I don't know why you would but I mean it's hard to transport it's not secure it is very anonymous those orders I mean if you had people hundreds of dollars of bills they're going to be suspicious of your activities but then knock yourself out. Unknown 25:40 I don't see the point. It's it's bulky and awkward man. Give me a Google tap Japan I'm out. Yeah. Unknown 25:46 Until the until the phone spots. Take the system down and you're not out. Yeah, Unknown 25:50 well, okay. Do you carry Do you have thousands of dollars in your mattress or your pillowcase? I do. Oh geez. Okay. Yeah, you and you're carrying your your shower heads around. Unknown 26:00 Nevermind I forgot who I was talking to. I prepared for at least Unknown 26:05 the additional crashing of the system because I just about bet you even though people can't count anymore and make change Unknown 26:15 I just about bet that retailers rather than shutting down will be very preferential to people have cash or they'll try to find an old fashioned box somewhere and I'll let you pay for merchandise if you have cash What do you bet I bet I think now is a good time to go over that story where you were at McDonalds maybe and you paid for something you gave the person an extra nickel so they could give you two quarters back or whatever that was I don't remember the details but it's just so common that all you have to do is make it up from from anytime you're making change and a person if they've killed him the amount hindered and you want to hand them something else so that you get an even a about back they cannot figure out what to do as they think they pull out a calculator Unknown 26:57 trying to figure try to figure out what to do. Unknown 27:00 I tell them look, all you have to do is look at your screen where it says changed to return and add whatever, I hand you back to that, and it'll be right 100% of the time. And they just don't believe it'll be right. And they say you're trying to run some scam on them. They're trying to get, you know, you get there was a skit on cheers once where the, the magician Harry Anderson had come in there. And he got coach with like, hear me, can I get chief of the spice, we get five ones back and he kept spinning around and he ended up walking into there. With 100 bucks, you can do the quick change. But if a person is registered, says give you 1295 back and you had to have a nickel, you had the nickel, the 1295 and you're $13. I mean, it's not that complicated. And I tell them don't need a calculator. Just add to whatever that tells you and they just can't add forward. And another thing is if you have to counter register till back to a certain amount is a fixed change fun they cannot they all have bags of money everywhere. They'll have their calculators out Unknown 27:58 they'll be trying to cut it back. Unknown 28:00 And they'll start with the paper. And I said, don't not start with the pennies and do your pennies for. So when you get to 67 pennies, take out the to extras. Then you've got 65. And you start with your nickels. And you go 7075, 8085. 90. Unknown 28:17 And if you get it in the nickels, you make you take out the extra nickel. So you'll have a dime. So you'll be counting increments of 10 and they just can't can't do that. And they'll have changed going everywhere. And I'll say no to change stays in the drawer. Unknown 28:32 We're trying Unknown 28:34 we're trying to keep the change in the drawer. donate a little bit there'll be a little tiny bit of change will come out there'll be an extra two or three pending so will come out an extra nickel that'll come out maybe a dime but basically all your changes go to stay in the drawer and you're going to go that direction but they can't do it. I'm shocked at how you can make it through school college and be running a cash register and you cannot count until back to $100 without having gobs of change every part of your calculator out Unknown 29:02 Well you had mentioned that there were some advocates briefs being filed and I guess this comes from Bloomberg law that Unknown 29:10 yes yes so this is a companion article to the one we just covered and you have the n double A CP the National Association national the National Association of criminal defense lawyers Judicial Watch the politically foundation you've got all kinds of groups that are coming in support of making sure that they forced the Eighth Amendment or that they want to confiscate everybody's things now all of a bathtub Salah, because I didn't go through read all the race, but all these organizations that are mentioned are are on the right side of this Unknown 29:42 against the Indiana Supreme Court's interpretation. Unknown 29:46 Could you give us any indication as to why the Indiana same court would say that $42,000 of confiscating the land rover is not excessive fines? Unknown 29:56 Well, it would be speculation because I don't know how they get their judges on. Unknown 30:00 court if they're like to buy the will of the popular vote Unknown 30:03 I don't know enough about Indiana politics and about the system but I would say that that that it's certainly very creative on their part to come with me Do you could you could really what you want to Unknown 30:15 come up with you when you decide how you want to go you can usually find some authority to support you and I read their decision I could probably see how they how they justified it but it sure seems like a fine to me but you could take the same position that the Supreme Court took in the Affordable Care Act they said well no it's not it's not anything but attacks if you don't have if you don't have insurance you're not required to have insurance euro assessed attacks and the cost Congress as do the certainly the authority to levy attacks while the other people argue well, no, it isn't attacks it's a penalty now it's attacks now which is this will Is this a fly or is this a civil administrative remedy? Unknown 31:00 To keep the tools of the criminality from being used, which is it? Unknown 31:05 Of course I know in my mind since I know the police making a big part of their budget that is designed as a fine, it is a funding source. But But you could argue you come up with some creative arguments why it's not a fine Shouldn't it kind of go the other way, like we're going to budget for what we need to operate and any sort of fines that we collect would then either go to pad the budget for next year, but we're not going to budget to make sure that we have some sort of quota and giving tickets or we're expecting to, you know, hey, oh, we're $42,000 short on our budget this year, just so happens we confiscated this Range Rover I guess we'll pawn that off and get our budget to square up well, you can make that as an intellectual argument. But when you're when you're what you're responsible for budgeting and you're in an anti tax environment, which we're in right now. We have been for a long number of years Americans hate to pay Unknown 32:00 What they want for the faith from their government, and I'm inviting you to come out here and tell me the things that you want to cut out that either your state or your federal or your local government wants to do. Because every time I have these conversations we come up with a very, very slim list that won't save any significant money but when you're having to deal with your constituents and there are so dead set to taxes are so astronomical, that if they have to pay another Penny, that they'll go over the cliff. It's a way it's an additional funding because he didn't have to say, well, we factor in $600,000 worth you know, large city like what I live in, I think that that's there they're raising half million to cost a million dollars for the police, but with forfeitures well we're going to have to have officers all which nobody wants that we're going to look at more revenue, which nobody wants that, well, why not just assess it to the criminals who shouldn't be doing what they're doing that's very popular. It's again, a reflection on us not willing to pay taxes and wanting to have the services that cost money that we're not willing to pay for. Unknown 33:00 We should have no listeners after this episode we've been trying to break it down to zero man every time we try and break it down to the 10% will eventually get there so but but yes it's like the the discussion about tax as a person told me we talked about universal health care and so when you know you do realize we're the only the only western country that doesn't provide health care for us entire population and they said well those other countries have higher taxes i said well they do have higher taxes but it's more just society when you have access to certain things that are considered a universal life and healthcare should basically based on which boom you came out of and I said so I'm willing to pay a little bit more in taxes for for health care but but there there's just such hatred for taxes in this country I mean we demonize tax Unknown 33:51 I know I totally understand what you're saying Unknown 33:54 ready to be a part of registry matters get links at registry matters dot CEO Unknown 34:00 If you need to be discreet about it, contact them by email registry matters cast at gmail. com You can call or text or ransom message to 747 to 274477 Unknown 34:16 want to support registry matters on a monthly basis, head to patreon. com slash registry matters. Not ready to become a patron. Give a five star review at Apple podcasts or Stitcher or tell your buddies that your treatment class about the podcast we want to send out a big heartfelt support for those on the registry. Keep fighting without you, we can't succeed you make it possible and I guess then we should move on to this Washington Post article which should be all kinds of fun that it is like I said Washington Post. The Pennsylvania report on clergy sex abuse spawned a wave of probe nationwide now what it appears as though based on the what's Unknown 35:00 Thousand victim report that came out of a handful of parishes in pence I guess it was actually all of the parishes except for like three or something like that that there are now a dozen or so 15 states that are launching their own independent investigations into their own Unknown 35:17 Catholic churches in their states and the list here is it just runs the gamut it's Unknown 35:23 I don't even know how many that is Unknown 35:26 just all these different Attorney General's Arkansas Delaware Florida on down through Washington DC and Virginia Yeah, I'll put put it in here to to say I'm fearful of the of the end result of all this because what we're going to have is a lot of witch hunts. Unknown 35:44 If you go back of the Catholic Church date. They did not handle these things the way perhaps I should have decades ago but have to go back and file charges of something happened at the 70s 80s 90s. Unknown 36:00 Here we talk about 2020 plus years ago, these people can't defend themselves the evidence as we talked about a Regus podcast. You're not available them and we're going to, we're going to see a further eradication of due process because what's going to happen is they're going to be states that are going to say, well, they're beyond the zone or prosecution while then we need to fix that justice doesn't have an expiration date. And that's what the victims advocates that's what are their talking points? That sounds really good. Think about it. Justice shouldn't have an expiration date Unknown 36:32 from the victim's point of view. I think that's I mean, it sounds legit for the victim Unknown 36:38 if we're going to be a compassionate a group of people, right. But it does have an expiration date it always has had though, because we can't keep ensure fundamental fairness to the accused. So justice in fact, does have an expiration date and it should have an expiration date but it won't have when they speak board up Unknown 36:57 and that's a very left leaning kind of Unknown 37:00 Right Unknown 37:02 well you get a lot of conservatives that would that actually support the I mean with this and this and this emotional field argument where they turn out in such large numbers it's hard for them to say that publicly but you actually get conservatives that are very I mean I suspect if you talk to the Trump people Unknown 37:20 that you get lot of sympathy out of them for for for accusations that are because wasn't his access hollywood supposed to be many many years ago the there allegations going back to like in the mid 80s for Trump yeah so I suspect we would get some traction from from them on this and in fact that's that's kind of what they're doing and sort of what they're doing with the with the rebalancing the due process for those at the university level so so I don't know that this is just a left leaning argument about the about the new processes in our Connecticut affiliate said that that they got a little bit more traction out of the the the conservatives on on issues there of course outside overwhelmingly democratic state but Unknown 38:00 That they got they they've been able to make some inroads with some conservative so I don't know if I would say this is one of those that can't can't be across the aisle Unknown 38:08 a Unknown 38:10 an atheist podcast that I listened to they had the attorney an attorney from the Freedom From Religion Foundation on there and they were all over this particular issue and they were very hard charging after the the statute of limitations Unknown 38:26 they were very hard charging after it and what way in a way to remove them so that they can prosecute these kind of cases like the you know, that the Pennsylvania archdiocese thing like we're talking about right here that they would be able to drive the bus all the way back 20 3050 years. You know, even one of those I think one of the allegations was like 50 or 60 years old driving the bus all the way back to the beginning of time and trying to prosecute even I guess you wouldn't go press you dead people but you know, you know some 90 year old priests that allegedly diddled somebody in the 40s or Unknown 39:00 15 Unknown 39:02 yeah this article has over 600 comments so it has generated some and I haven't looked through to see which way they're leading and I can imagine they're all for for forgetting what rather than statute limitations because it sounds good justice shouldn't have an expiration date right right right right right right. Unknown 39:19 So Unknown 39:21 and kind of the reason why we decided to do this recording is this one showed up on the radar and this one really really troubles me This is out of all on Georgia com I don't want to call a lot Alan on Unknown 39:36 and I get us a sort of similar to the situation in Florida, the people that are effectively homeless but this is a Georgia city wrong to target sex offenders and new homelessness ordinance and they're talking about this up in the way northwest part of the state in Coosa County, and you've got a dozen or so guys that maybe not just guys but people they can't. Unknown 40:00 Get housing because either through finances and then you throw in the thousand foot living restrictions they are unable to find anywhere else to live. And then because of that there's an ordinance in the city that says they have to vacate the bridge that they're living under within 24 hours. And if not there, they're hit with $1,000 fine 60 days and jails and orders for community service. Unknown 40:22 Now before the show I threw out there that these people are probably living under the bridge because they have gobs and gobs of money in the bank and they're literally just trying to hold on to that cash so they don't have to spend in an apartment or something like that and that's why they're living under this bridge. Unknown 40:39 I would say I agree with you van de they are doing that because living outdoors and especially that part of Georgia up there that that would be kind of higher elevation it's right on Tennessee line doesn't get cold. It does. It does indeed get cold and I'm looking at the demographics. Unknown 41:00 Like the county health population and 66,000 of the seat as I guess they pronounce it Ringgold. Unknown 41:07 Okay. Yeah I mean I've heard of it yeah the that's and and i 75 interstate 75 goes through there. So I'm guessing that these guys are all like if you read the book The Millionaire Next Door these guys are millionaires and they're just wearing little $10 Timex watches and again, that's why they're living under this bridge is because they can totally afford to live in a mansion but they choose not to to save that cash. Unknown 41:30 What do they expect these people to do? They can't find a place to stay. And now you're going to throw them in jail with $1,000 fine and there's even a sentence in here that says well, gosh, we don't know what these people are doing a three or four o'clock in the morning. That's when we are most vulnerable. We need to have these people off the streets Unknown 41:47 so well. Councilman Larry black all of you are saying and Coosa county brought the idea forward after he learned five men living under a bridge for sex offenders recently released from prison Unknown 41:59 we have Unknown 42:00 have no way of knowing what the person is doing so far as our safety concerns of our children that three or four o'clock in the morning when we're very involved, replace code and say in the paper Unknown 42:09 Really? And the Okay. Are you not in your house with your doors locked and let's just Councilman Larry black, like go buy some $20 security cameras and obviously George's a pre gun toting state. So go get some firearms and now you're safe. What's the problem with these people living under the bridge? Unknown 42:30 Well, it's well, of course, that's our solution when we would rather than having a comprehensive approach to homelessness, which is one of the weak links in our social safety net in America, which a lot of people are in denial about. We have a very, very fun Unknown 42:46 to safety net and socialist country and and if you go to any cities, even moderate sized towns like this county, you can obviously see if there's homeless everywhere. Now that's our solution rather than pressing. Unknown 43:00 state and federal leadership for a solution to homelessness which would be a better solution and resolution to the problem it was criminalize homelessness which actually is against the law I mean you're making a debtors prison because this if they don't if they don't leave within 24 hours and Stephen receiving notice there'll be arrested and can spend 60 days in jail or thousand dollar fine Unknown 43:24 and it's it's kind of tragic that that's the solution that can afford that yes. Yeah so 60 days in jail at what what is it $50 a day, $90 a day I think I've heard you're talking several, several, several several thousands of dollars and someone's section eight housing kind of rent would be in the low hundreds, you know, maybe three or four or $500 a month, 60 days in jail would cover six months of housing, perhaps just as guess and then that person has access to a shower which would then make them more presentable to get a job. Unknown 44:00 Perhaps preventing that homelessness preventing recidivism perhaps preventing all those things that would cascade down also just the inhumane undignified treatment of someone living under a bridge Unknown 44:12 well this opinion piece written by what it says writers named Jessica I would not even began to be able to pronounce that yeah that looks like it would be syllabi z s s see I la gyi that's horrible Unknown 44:33 she's right spot on here talking about this I wonder how many death threats she's gotten since she's written this but this is this is this is a horrible solution to criminalize homelessness and knowing and everybody recognizes that they're homeless because they have no choice Unknown 44:52 variable choice particularly on the sex offender registry Unknown 44:56 I'm trying to look through the comments to see if anybody can Unknown 45:00 If anybody throws out a examples of that this is like we need to keep these people locked up and I haven't seen one yet really but it's also a lot of names that I recognize from people posting around the inter webs Unknown 45:15 oh well this is kind of a beard and claim because you're essentially criminalizing being poor lock people up and there's there could conceivably be constitutional issues raised but the problem is these people have no money Unknown 45:30 Oh, here's something that looks like it starts off really well. A woman named Laurie rights and since open letter to the council members of the city of wrinkled dear mayor and council members as you sit down with your families to enjoy your Thanksgiving meal and your warm houses with the table set with your finest crystal and the table full of wonderful nourishing food. Please give a thought to the five homeless man you needlessly and heartlessly cause further hardship and damage to in the mistaken name of public safety. Congratulate yourselves on on a job well done. Where is our humanity? Unknown 46:00 As the temperatures in Georgia drop this week and as these men's already forced it to homelessness due to our radius laws are told that they must leave the only shelter that they have managed to find even living under a bridge is not harsh enough these men have served their sentences and pose no rest of the public and yet this is how they are treated ashamed of this council I applaud you Miss Jones Unknown 46:23 while we yeah i think that's spot on we need to get that person on the podcast we might try and do that I'd be a thing Unknown 46:32 yes did whatever death threats that she's got which Unknown 46:37 we can let her know that their supporters he or she did you say it was a woman or a guy yeah well I'm assuming Lori Jones okay yeah we can y'all see that's the final one I found it to the end here but it looks like there's some favorable comments other than just that one correct or most of the ones I didn't find anybody that was like oh you guys are awesome just like the the the sheriff's in the other two counties of Georgia there. Unknown 47:00 Facebook pages were just full of people giving them huge praises for putting the sun's out on the people's front doors Unknown 47:08 so well, and we, we've got a special program for them as soon as we can implement it, that would be outstanding. Well, I think that's all we got. This is going to be a teeny bit abbreviated, maybe buy a 10 or 20 minutes just you know, holidays and traveling and sort of an impromptu to posting. But Larry, you're going to tell people how they can find the podcast Unknown 47:28 really, I'm going to hope so. I hope so. Trying to get acclimated to this whole thing. What if I don't know how to do it? Did what and I guess I'll backfill it in Unknown 47:40 a copy it from a previous week's episode. Well, they can they can, they can Unknown 47:46 type on the telephone the old fashioned way on that 747 I know that if you want to leave a message you can contact us at 747-227-4477 and Unknown 48:00 If you want to contact us by email, it's registry matters. cast@gmail.com Unknown 48:08 and there's another way of contacting us isn't there that's through that through Patreon that's the best you can contact us this way. So that's, that's the way to support the program if you'd like, and we would greatly appreciate it if you did it. How did they do that Andy patreon. com slash registry matters. Unknown 48:26 And how do they find? How do they find Patreon? I had a guy today tell me that he would like to listen to the podcast, but he has no idea. So well, go to your go to your podcast app. And he said, What's that? What is the podcast app? Unknown 48:39 I am continually baffled by that question. If our people are if people in general are unfamiliar with podcasts, and I did run into someone I was talking to about real estate stuff and like she had no idea how to how to work a podcast How do you contact and be in touch with people that effectively don't want to be contacted and I don't know the answer that please if you have any insight as Unknown 49:00 This let me know. I'm curious, how do you reach the unreachable? But how does this person who says I want to listen to podcasts, but I don't know what a podcast app is, what is a podcast app? a podcast app is something that you I they have them for. For Windows to I don't use one. I have one on my phone. I use something called dog catcher. But and I use an Android phone. And there are Brazilians of them out there, and you put an app on your phone, and then you subscribe to the program, you can just do a simple search in your podcast app. If you search for registry matters. If you have an Alexa device and you say, Alexa, play the latest episode of registry matters, Alexa will start spitting out the podcast, it's incredibly easy, but you do need an app to do it. Or you can go to the website but an app that it just downloads to your phone when the episodes released. And then while you're on the subway, while you're driving to work while you're doing chores in the house. The things that are on your phone and you press play and you put on your headphones and you'll be bopping around the house and now listen to the program. So let's say for example, if I have a flip top phone now Unknown 50:00 About a business, you pretty much dead on a whole bunch of things. You're not even really doing a lot of text messaging other than just selling letters. So you're going to have to have at least Unknown 50:10 a smartphone of some sort. And that individual he used to have when he has a smartphone. Now I know the guy he has a smartphone, I don't understand I might have to reach out to him directly and smack him on this top of his head and say, Look, man, this which got to do Unknown 50:26 all right, well, we do appreciate all of our supporters. So I'm hoping that we can gain more but every one of you that that support us is very, very much appreciated and Unknown 50:37 very rewarding to do the work on a holiday weekend knowing that that we're supported the way we are. Absolutely. I agree with all that. Unknown 50:46 And with that, I will be at everyone to do and Larry Thank you very much. And I hope you had a good holiday and I will talk to you soon. I did and thanks Andy. Take care. Bye bye.