Unknown 0:00 Recording live from FYI, p studios, east and west, transmitting across the internet. This is Episode 53 of registry matters. Well, good evening, Larry. How's it going? This week Unknown 0:11 counts hard. But I'm here and F ly p east. Is it just because you're 100 years old? That you're tired? I am not. 100 all laid 94. Okay, Unknown 0:22 so we're getting there. Are you? Is there like one foot on a banana peel and one in the grave? Unknown 0:28 Pretty bad? Yes. Unknown 0:29 All right, then. I do want it. Like, I want to give you credit for being super duper right on something. Unknown 0:36 There's a legal podcast that I listened to called opening arguments. And we were use you threw at me. I was like, how is this thing with the Jim Acosta? The CNN reporter? How is this a due process thing, it just, it feels to me that people are there as a as a as just like, as a privilege of the presidents and to do the reporting and so forth. But it turns out that because they like, voluntarily set up this whole thing to invite reporters into exercise, you know, to be that fourth the state and all that. So with that whole thing of removing his credentials, it created two problems. One, a First Amendment thing of them stifling speech. But then there was the fifth Fifth Amendment, the due process side of it, which is what you brought up and I was like, eat nuts. But now that's what has turned out to be So Larry was right. Unknown 1:25 Well, I appreciate that I had just perfectly read about and I haven't even read the case. But I guess there was a case in the 70s from the Supreme Court that dealt with this issue. And it's like, there are things that you don't have a right to, but once they're granted to you as a privilege, the privilege been taken away requires some process and I guess the best example that people could relate to would be the privilege of driving that's not a right it's a privilege but wants to wants to privileges bestowed up to a person after they passed the visual acuity of the the knowledge of the roads and the science test them all the various 10 and proficiency then they're granted a privilege them to take that privilege away requires due process and giving I said on the podcast on that episode, that that the President does not have to allow any access. It has real relatively modern that we've had the formal news conference, probably probably the news conferences, we know it today. developed under President Kennedy, he was so good at the camera and so witty with the press. But but prior to that, it was very informal, the of a few reporters would be invited to the White House to sit down by the President's desk and they would have informal chats. But once they grab these privileges to cover the White House, then to take the privilege away requires a process and it has nothing to do with the cost of the employer which is I think one of our podcast listeners confused that issue they said that there's no right to a job he's right see it in can do what they want to with them. They can say you've disrespected our protocols and how you acted and conducted yourself in the White House and we're terminating you blogging wilt unless you contract specifies the the conditions which you can be terminated. But there is a due process argument and that's what the White House is now clear, they've corrected by having a policy about behavior and they will provide a process where they're going to suspend a revoke of reporters credentials it's all fixed now Unknown 3:19 it's all fixed so there won't be any more problems with with asking questions in the White House press conference or Unknown 3:24 Oh what aspect are will be because the policies the White House put put in places that you are allowed one question and I'll follow up at the privilege of the president its present allows it and it you have to surrender the microphone, plugged request of an aid or white staffer. I don't see everybody going on that policy. I've been watching press conferences for 40 years, and I just see them trying to do follow up and run on and second questions. And, and I see their big problems with a bit at least there's something for the White House to site to where they want to suspend or revoke are credentialed, like I said, well, you you continue to ask questions beyond your allowed one. One question and you didn't read other microphone, therefore, you're no longer welcome. This privilege is being restricted. Unknown 4:07 As far as I have heard, I believe it was nine months or so before Trump actually set for some reporters and took general questions. It was it was a long time between him having to press conferences. Unknown 4:22 He's not been as regular as some presidents, but that this is not required. It's hard for us to Unknown 4:31 establish a standard some presidents love the press and some despise and some are good and some are not President Reagan didn't have a lot of Unknown 4:40 excitement to bail press. He had difficulty hearing and but he was good. And he did a press conference. If he if he was at his best he did, he did just fine with the press Next, it didn't care for the press at all, as you certainly know that guy Unknown 4:56 and the different presence of different relationships with the press but there are a necessary ingredient that we can't as a citizen read, know what's going on in government. And if if the presence not allowed to ask any questions and ask tough questions, then we're kind of at the mercy of what we're being told. And I don't think that would be healthy. I think even the people who find a cost of totally objectionable are going to have problems with us not having access to it to ask tough questions of our leadership Unknown 5:25 i do i don't know if you follow anything of the European press system and their politicians but I have heard them say that they are the press there is ridiculously brutal and the politicians are you know, they're not forced to to stand up and listen to it and answer questions but they do and they said it's a lot more hostile not like screaming at them but just that the questions are a lot tougher it see I'm not not necessarily but the the presidential press score they may be there just a little bit more friendly and maybe a little bit more softball questions to the president just to keep everything kind of happy and jovial. Do you have anything to add to that Unknown 6:03 only just takes it with a British system you know, you've watched the parliamentary debates you see you see a lot more given take the Prime Minister courses is a different system that are Presidency of their parliamentary systems different but you see a lot more questions that you could never imagine being asked of American president. So I would say that there that in many regards, it's probably tougher in terms of the questioning here, you you you you don't you My understanding is having not been what is what my understanding is that they brief the press secretary briefs the press in terms of what the Presidents prepared to answer and there's an expectation that you stay within the zone of where the presence been briefed. And if you don't do that, you you tend not to be called them. That's what I've been told by people who've had access to White House officials. Unknown 6:55 But that's it's kind of funny because I know I'm sure this has happened Other times, but this is security, I'm following this whole thing going on significantly closer. And there have been times that a tweet will go out during like the press conferences and someone will read something they'll be like, Hey, Mr. President, or miss Sanders Hey, what about this and they're like where did that come from? And Muller has just issued an indictment for something you know something like that and they're just completely blindsided by stuff and you can just see the deer in the headlights thing go up Unknown 7:26 well that's not a good position for a press secretary to be in terms of Winehouse actions they should be in the loop or as much as possible but not White House actions of course you wouldn't expect the White House know everything that every official that's not White House related but I have noticed in this White House that there has been the appearance of surprised by presidential announcements that that that are not known about or cabinet announcements It was not known about that the president says what know that there's an our policy it does seem like there's there's some this lack of coordination addition over to mark this lighthouse Unknown 8:06 31 indictments I think maybe 32 Unknown 8:09 I'm not even keeping count it's all a sham Mandy Unknown 8:14 it's all fake news it's all which on sorry. All right. Hey. You ready for some articles? Unknown 8:19 let's let's let's do it. Unknown 8:21 Alright, well, here we go. This first article comes from NBC 12. NBC on our side Richmond Virginia it says let's play this a quick clip and we'll talk about it Unknown 8:33 I'll news new ID six. A father of five says life on the sex offender registry has Horst him and his family into homelessness. And many people may not be concerned with what someone on the registry goes through. But William Walker says he hopes by sharing details of his arrest and the collateral damage. It's causing his kids someone will rent him a place to live. Unknown 9:00 Children are 5679 and 10 for boys and a girl and mom and dad were evicted in October. they've exhausted a three week hotel stay from social services and are now emotional and homeless. I cry hurts Unknown 9:17 every day ministry if it wasn't for this charge. William Walker was labeled A violence sex offender back in 1999 and Maryland. He says the sex was consensual. He and his girlfriend lived together for a year and even worked at the same job I was 29 and she was found out she was only 15 Unknown 9:38 She told me she was 19 Unknown 9:39 This happened to long before he should now married and had kids I indoor Dan gentlemen Roman for this charge I got one year or unsupervised probation William was not required to register as a sex offender and marillyn they've lived in Virginia since 2009 without problems but William was pulled over for speeding state police and Hello I'm Tim that his name would go into the registry and life got tough since their eviction. Chanel says landlords treat them like pariahs, we're not we're not when when none of it we are working parents just kind of provide for our children on that accent for people feel sorry for it. I'm not actually that Unknown 10:20 widgets accent for little help, so that my children Unknown 10:23 will be able to wake up Christmas morning go to the Christmas tree and open their price. The director of litigation at Central Virginia Legal Aid Society says some of these landlords may be breaking the Fair Housing law by refusing to rent to them. If a conviction was more than six Unknown 10:42 years ago, then it's likely not relevant. You have to Unknown 10:45 look at how long ago this happened. You have to look at how old was the person who did it. In other words, there has to be an individualized assessment. If the housing Unknown 10:56 provider does not do that. They're violating fair housing law. Unknown 10:59 For now. The family sleeps in their SUV when they can't find relief at a relative's home, they slept here just last night, not through Bank of India, and I'll keep the car running with heat or lame seat back we go to sleep. Fair Housing protection for sex offenders only applies to private housing. If you would like to help this family. Send me an email at D. Walker at NBC 12. com to see the entire interview explaining fair housing protections for sex offenders. Look for this story on the NBC 12 News Unknown 11:34 I'm wait to this fair Fair Housing Act. Is that is that just a local state thing? Or is that a nation one thing Unknown 11:43 thinking that that's Virginia there's Unless Unless there's something federally and I'm not aware of this been a number of years on housing and was quite familiar with federal for housing, Unknown 11:53 saw the suspect that's they're talking about Virginia, but there's a slight silver lining that story of the tragedy of it. The silver lining is can you think of the time what a new station anywhere in the country has said, if you want to help this family reach out to me? This is a first as far as I can remember. Unknown 12:15 Oh, yeah, I would say so that they have taken a very soft stance on on what the crime was. I mean, that's, that's a pretty big age gap. But he says, she said she was 19 I've always wondered if the person what are you supposed to do? Like, hey, we're going to sleep together. I gotta check your ID first was like, That's ridiculous. Also, in 99, this wasn't like the thing going on. That's, what, 20 years ago, come on. What are you supposed to do with a guy that 20 years ago, committed what he says consensual and didn't really get a whole lot of punishment for it. So I think we're going to talk about something similar, the DA must not have thought there was a lot of case there to go get any traction. And so he just got off with the one year of unsupervised probation, Unknown 12:58 if you assume everything, and the story is true, which it may or may not be. But if everyone is true, that he, he got a relatively mild sentence. by today's standards, you wouldn't get a 29 year old and a 15 year old, having consensual sex getting unsupervised probation in any jurisdiction of the country, as far as I can think of, you get Unknown 13:17 20 life probably. Unknown 13:20 So I suspect that that the leaning toward the story being true or largely true, and, and he made the mistake of moving and and there again, you wouldn't think about that because you would think if you've never had to register, you've never been required to register, you would think that whatever soon as you finish a marathon within the the situation, Unknown 13:45 I tell people, and this is a good time to remind them. If you get off of the registry on one state. That doesn't mean you're don't have a registration obligation another state, other states have different reach back periods that maybe life that they reached back at maybe for a period of 10, 2030, I mean, it you cannot assume that you're done with registration, it could be that he wouldn't have to register with a move back to Maryland, it could be that the barrel law has changed, and he just didn't know it. And he actually does have a registration obligation. But if he doesn't have a registration obligation, it would seem to me that going back to the state of conviction would be a significant consideration to make rather than being homeless because if he doesn't have to register Marilyn, loud Earth, would you want to live in a state where you do Unknown 14:31 that? Yeah, and Virginia from my understanding is, is one of the more challenging states Unknown 14:37 Well, they certainly they certainly have some tough requirements there, and they think they're one of the 17 or 18 AWS compliance state and native means that you could be even beyond what they who requires which was beyond it, they but but if you've at least met the minimum standards, and I believe they're on the list of of compliant states, so you're going to have a tiered system if she was 15, depending on how Virginia decided to tear miners he could be a lifetime offender, Virginia and he perhaps wouldn't have to register it all in Maryland, they still held the conviction is so he needs to do someone packing of this room to a competent legal professional. Unknown 15:17 Um, and then so that there was the extra little clip from another voice in there. His name is Martin wag Britt, the director of litigation at Central Virginia Legal Aid Society and he saying that the landlord's may be breaking the Fair Housing law This is a dick move again, it's they seem to be they're driving like a suburban it looked like a halfway decent maintained car. These are some pretty upstanding people, they don't appear to be like the challenge kind of person that you might rent to just freakin take their money and move on man. Unknown 15:48 Well, if you give them a place to stay. If it were, Unknown 15:51 if it were that easy, though. It's not that easy, though, when you're running a community with 150 units, and you've got people telling you that we don't want to live around that kind. If you have that kind here, we're not going to live here, right? The public the public registry is what does the damage a lot of landlords who would not mind having their money if the ridicule that they were going to get from from from having them there did not did not come to be but the public aspect of registration, that's what does it and then people say, Well, I feel unsafe here because this person is a child predator that you heard what the head of Lake Bible say much I said sexually violent. Unknown 16:32 Yes, he was listed as a sexual violence predator SVP Unknown 16:36 that that would that would not be well received by the average apartment community. So when you put economics at work, which is what we are in America, where system based on freedom for economics, and we were reticent and hesitant to interfere with, with what private ownership is doing, they're saying, this is a this is a business decision, we can't have the risk of that here. We've got legal ability, we've got goodwill of our community, there's too many things that we don't want. I don't agree with it. I'm just merely saying this is from that perspective, and people will send an email saying, it sounds like you're condoning what they're doing. I'm not kind of I'm saying I'm understanding where they're coming from. Unknown 17:17 And tell me your favorite expression. You're not telling the world what it should be. That is an expression go I tell people that Unknown 17:24 that when I tell you things I'm not we don't live in the world the way it should be. We live in the world the way it is be. And that's the way it is to be right now, it is difficult for landlords to have registered sex offenders in their communities, with all the complexities that go with it, including Costa law enforcement verifications the internet registry, which causes them to get harassed, why do you have that kind of person here, and I endured that when I was in property management, it was a very early beginning dates with registry, but only had a couple that have encounters but that does, that's what you encounter having a registrant and your community and that's that's not fun. Unknown 18:06 Yeah, I know, when I rented this particular apartment that I'm in the landlord was very, very hesitant. He's, I think I have to tell the neighbors about shows like, I don't think you have to tell anybody, I really think and he went back and forth and talk to other property managers that he knows and eventually came back and he said, I don't have to tell anybody. All right, you're in Unknown 18:26 but he thought that he was going to have to somehow or maybe I would have to tell the neighbors of my of my status and he was worried on what kind of RAM he wasn't going to do it if if he had to. He wasn't going to rent me the place. I mean, he wasn't going to not tell them he was going to not imprint me the place. Oh, yeah. Unknown 18:43 Alright. Well, moving on to an article from Politico and we have a voicemail message that will kind of sort of set us up I suppose so let's listen to William Unknown 18:53 is it gonna play Unknown 18:55 good evening This is William from Tennessee again and I listened to the most recent podcast episode 52 and you were mentioning the the first step act that Mitch McConnell has been stonewalling well we've got another threat to that bill now and this was posted on our souls website and you have a republican from Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton and he is using fear that the fear tactic oh if we pass this at we could be letting sex offenders out of prison early so now you get Unknown 19:40 caught and trying to use the sex offender scare tactic to completely be real a bipartisan support is Bill and it just seems like he's not he's not below stooping to any level to try to derail this and nor so is our is urgent anyone who will to call the Capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121 as for senator Cotton's office, even if you're not from Arkansas, and here and voice, your opposition to his position, and till then make it known that this is something that affects the whole nation, and maybe we can get enough blowback against this man to shut him up. He's trying to use the sex offender angle to kill the first step back and I thought you guys would want to know that have a good one and keep up the good work Unknown 20:36 appreciate it. William Unknown 20:40 is this only affects federal charges, correct? Unknown 20:43 That's correct. Unknown 20:45 So then doesn't this have I'm not saying that there aren't sex offenders in federal custody, but isn't it of the federal crimes for sexual offences as much there are many many more in the States than there are in the feds Unknown 20:58 it would it would be it would be primary merrily your internet based crimes your transportation of a minor across state lines or your transportation across state lines to have sex with a minor Unknown 21:11 solicitation or attempt to do so the transmission of pornographic images of a minor those type of dances or the actual contact offenses if there would be a federal jurisdictional hook which would include Indian reservations and okay certain federal certain federal jurisdictions for the fence prosecute but the bulk of the context sex offenders are going to be in states custody rather than federal custody Unknown 21:39 so even like in theory if this said let all of them out it would be a proportionally pretty small number and it would Unknown 21:47 it would be a small number of the overall total and that would be bored a non contact offenders which unfortunately people at on our side in advocacy believes that they should be treated less harshly they typically are treated more harshly you can get a lot more time for images and you can for actually having under federal law that is you can go and even under some state law matters you can get more present time for images and you then if you actually had to sex with a minor but right we're talking about a small universe of sexual offenders and then their adequate controls and safeguards according to the analysis I haven't analyzed it myself but people say that that there's enough safeguards that to be LP would have the final sight of your presence would have the final say on anybody who got early release but this is William has actually worked been working on that issue with our soul we're trying to drum up a little bit of support to overcome this republican Unknown 22:46 it's not me filibustering we played I mean not filibuster it's not me demagoguing Unknown 22:53 we played last week senator you want to keep that up again and play it just so people that have listened last week stay for well that will clip with with Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina that that the bottom is on the Republican side but you've got the the Senator from Arkansas who's got a small following of Republicans that want to kill the first step back and those senators include in Hall from Oklahoma and I forgot to entire list but it's a it's a small group of them. It does have a number of Republicans supporting it and Senator Graham things that they could get it to load it with past but mitch mcconnell the leader doesn't want to have it devouring precious time with all the spirits debate it because sin procedures allow one senator to do an amazing amount of harm in terms of devouring time. So the rules permit extended debate, and that's what he's afraid of. And he says, We're not going to do it most we can get Unknown 23:52 a significant majority. Well, we've got that significant majority, but they're still doing it Unknown 23:57 right. And this is from Episode 51. You tell me where cut it because it's a little longer than you it's anyway, it's two minutes and 30 seconds. Tell me when you want to cut Unknown 24:05 it will leave the majority leader is trying to quietly kill this veil in the lame duck? Unknown 24:13 No, not really. Because Tom Cotton said this fee from day one. What we're talking about is basically creating a new sentencing system that will give African American male and Hispanic male Unknown 24:28 detainees a chance to get out of jail earning their way out of jail. They've been in jail 3040 years for three non violent drug related offenses and change our Senate SYNC system to make it more humane and more productive Tom has been on the other side of this there's at votes for this is the most important bipartisan piece of legislation in the Congress today. It would make presence a better place to get people the skills they need not go back to prison It will also change the way we put people in jail they average sentence in America is eight times higher than anywhere else in the world for nonviolent offenders. We got people in jail for 30 and 40 years some of them need to get out of jail and go back to work and I'm urging mitch mcconnell put this bill on the floor if you put it on the floor will get at votes will get most republicans and almost all democrats unless do it before the end of the year and the President's behind it so Mr. President pick up the phone and called the Republican leadership of the House and the Senate and say we still run this place bring this bill to the floor center to God can have his say and will vote in down but this you believe the President is going to have to start lobbying mitch mcconnell because yes I've done everything you could and you have been able to get them to budge Unknown 25:44 yeah you know what the country needs to heal here and one way to bring this country together after the midterms is to focus on something that matters I never dreamed that this many Republicans and Democrats would embrace sentencing reform in prison reform three strikes in you out has now work now is the time to get it right let's start 2019 on a positive note urging center McConnell to bring the bill the floor of the Senate it would get at those mr president pick up the phone and push the Republican leadership the republicans have the problem here not the democrats Cory Booker has been very helpful Unknown 26:17 to go down so so in a crazy Larry saying it's Republican Senator Lindsey Graham from South Carolina that's saying that that the republicans will the problem so for our listeners out there who who were overwhelmingly republican particularly in the states where we've got where we've got blockage coming and that would be Texas where you guys just reelected Unknown 26:41 Cruz Unknown 26:44 also corn it would be an Oklahoma with Inhofe it would be in Iowa, I think Ernst it's got a consternation about it or consult with cotton light these phone lines up and tell them just what Senator Graham said this is important is too important to let it die. If it dies this session, we probably won't be able to get this done for a long time because the the polarization is going to widen in January you got a more conservative senate and a more liberal house and it's going to be even more difficult to get a bill that both of those chambers can agree after the first year Unknown 27:22 I suspect that it'll be more like in half bringing in the snowball saying the climate change is real so there'll be more snow balls being thrown across the two chambers Unknown 27:29 it's quite possible I mean, it's politics is strange, you can you can have the amazing coalition swarm but my fear is it was killed in 2016 in the heat of the campaign with when Trump became the load order president everybody got cold feet and now we're it's dying at the end of the session. And they could technically stay in session all the way until the end of the year if they if they like they generally don't. But after the year I do Congress has sworn in and all this stuff dies and this has to start all over from scratch with new members who are more conservative on the Senate side and more liberal in the House side and try to get legislation out of the out of the out of a more polarized body might be extremely tough. Unknown 28:11 So and to explain that like so the liberal side would then try and make it more reform ish. And then the conservative side would make it more punitive ish. They're going to have to reconcile it they're gonna have to agree to the same bill correct? Unknown 28:26 That's correct. You're going to have the house saying that already already. This is a very weakened down watered down version to compromise to get this far along. And it's likely that the more liberal house is going to say this doesn't do anything Why bother? And the conservatives are going to say, well, we're not going to do that because it's going to turn loose a tidal wave of criminality. And it's going to be tough, but but let's hope I'm wrong. Let's hope that if it doesn't get through that can be brought back in 2019. But I fear that this is going to die via data initiative. Unknown 28:59 Oh, Unknown 28:59 so hey, so so NASA nasa.org NAR. So well.org there's an article there, I will have a link in the show notes to it. But otherwise, if you just if you make it over there, there's information there phone numbers and stuff that you can dial in and reach your Unknown 29:16 press release. We're going to press release Monday, which will will hit far and wide and hopefully that'll draw some more attention to the media. It may be negative attention, but we're going to try to highlight that this is too important for it to die. Unknown 29:30 And just real quick, I'm going to ask you a quick off the cuff question are we associated with Marcel Unknown 29:35 only on that I am on the board. But this podcast is independent production. And it doesn't. Arsenal has nothing to do with us. Unknown 29:45 That's what I wanted you to say. Unknown 29:48 I need you to mostly drive the bus on this article from law.com titled complaint over flawed sex offender housing assistance is rejected by New York Court of Appeals. Here's a guy that was locked up and he was given really, really limited resources and trying to find a place and he should have been able to get out earlier. So he filed a suit. I think Unknown 30:14 that's what I think Unknown 30:16 he he he alleged that the that the requirements on their department of corrections and whatever they call that agency in New York, Unknown 30:25 that they were required the Department of Corrections that community supervision did not fulfill that statutory obligation to assist him. And Unknown 30:36 he alleged that all they did was reviewed his proposed addresses and said, Nope, not that one. Not that one. Not that. And he alleged that having limited access to internet and telephone calls, that he really could do a whole lot more and that they should be doing more and the the state court of appeals Don't misunderstand that terminology. Because most of the time when you hear that, that refers to a mid level appellate court, you have trial trial court at the subject matter jurisdiction where you're addition to case the trial court so you have an intermediate layer of appellate court review. And then you have the final level within a state and issues or for to the Supreme Court in New York, this is their Supreme Court, it's okay. They call it the court the Court of Appeals, but this is the final authority on okay. And and the New York Times tribunal said nope, they did all they had to do Unknown 31:30 in terms of the statute, they interpret the statute requiring more more than what what they had done it's kind of like that Unknown 31:38 we have a ride in my state to have a blood draw on a DWI. And the but it's up to you to perfect that the system doesn't have to doesn't have to make that happen. So you have to figure out I mean, can you name the list of the blood draw and companies you have right now? Do you carry a card around with those in your pocket? Unknown 31:57 I don't, but I know at least one of them. Unknown 31:58 Right. But it you've got thrown in the clink right now, could you call a blood drawing company? Unknown 32:04 Absolutely not. Unknown 32:05 It will, and neither could anyone else. But our court said, well, you have the right to it. But the jail doesn't have to set it up for you. You have the right to contact any blood growing company and have them come down and take a blood sample. Unknown 32:19 And it's up to you to make that happen. And that's kind of the way that the Supreme Court of New York, although it's the Court of Appeals of New York has said that you you've got all the assistance, the statute individualized, now the lawmakers can fix this, if that's not what they intended. They can say, Well, no, actually, we're going to be more specific, we're going to require that our case workers in case managers do the following. And that would be that would be what I would encourage, and that might be possible for that for that to happen. But and then there's another angle the litigation you could assert possibly that you have a right to release when your day comes that that that your attention beyond that is unconstitutional. I mean, there may be some legal claims that can be sorted. But the easiest thing to do not the easiest, but the most efficient way would be to have the legislature provide more clarity in terms of what what they want the way of assistance and helping people rehabilitate. And that should be something you could get broad Parson agree, but on because I'm assuming that conservatives like to save money, and we agree that having someone out working and paying taxes is more cost efficient, and being in prison. So I would assume they would support providing that transition assistance. And I'm assuming that the liberals would support it, because it's the bleeding heart thing to do is to have people out of jail once they've done their time. Unknown 33:38 Yeah, this guy was like, passed a like, initial portion of a sentence. So he was like, eligible for parole or probation. And he couldn't get out because he couldn't get an address. Unknown 33:48 Yes, he he was eligible to be released. But but right by exam, I think that a true conservative that the health of our values would say we want once they're held, unless there's some compelling reason we would want them out because I would rather than be paying taxes to meet and may pay taxes to them. But they're just, it's like a no brainer to me. Unknown 34:09 And my personal experience with this particular type of deal is, it's impossible to get an address from behind the walls. I mean, you obviously can't run around and dial 45 different landlords and see where it is try and get addresses and prices and see if the work with you any of that it's impossible, you would have to have either someone on the street or your caseworker try and help you out. But if they're not obligated to, then they just go Yeah, try this number. And what do you do supposed to write a letter with a self addressed stamped envelope for them to write back saying yay or nay. And that takes you two weeks to do that turn around, and by then they've rented the place to somebody else, Unknown 34:43 I don't know. Well, I plucked out one quote from the from the article is this rycker, as the record of this case vividly demonstrates the principal assistance DLC provided Mr. Gonzalez was allowing him to periodically submit a list of guesses to a parole officer who sponsored was to enter these gases into a computer a report back but Mr. Gonzalez had failed again, that doesn't sound like much DSS did not give deal. CCS did not give him access to it system to allow him to search for itself. It did not provide him a map a list of potential neighborhoods or even a hand as to how to look for available compliant housing. That's kind of sad, isn't it? Unknown 35:26 Yeah. But I mean, you, you do go behind the walls to like, restrict your access. Like, I mean, they're taking away your freedom, one of your freedoms would be figuring out how to find housing, Unknown 35:38 right? Yes, I would think so. I Unknown 35:42 again, I gonna say it again, it's a dick move. I mean, what do you suppose to do? Like you've potentially I don't, I can't find where it says how much time he's done. If he does, if he's done two years, he probably still contacts from family and friends on the street. He's done 15 years, he very possibly does not. What is he supposed to do? He would have to get to the street to try and figure out how to find a place on the street to stay. Unknown 36:06 It's It's It's an example of our many failures we haven't discussed all across the country. We look at we we've, we've, we've frequently harp about the south and how harsh they are. Well, we plucked this one out because it's not to sell and it appears, though there are just as battle and reintegration in terms of providing assistance. I didn't have a chance to read the opinion. And there was a descent and I'd like to read the dissenting opinion and see what what they said. But I imagine there are some scathing language about how silly This is Unknown 36:39 from who side from the from the Unknown 36:42 person trying to find this authentic, that sitting judge would have disagreed with the majority opinion, the majority opinion said it was okay that they provided sufficient help. I'm imagining that the judge, the descendant said, you guys are nuts. Unknown 36:55 Isn't that going kind of go right back to like Gorsuch, saying, if the legislators wanted them to do it than they would have put that language in there. So he's he's going to side with that the law that they did what they were supposed to do. Unknown 37:08 Oh, that would be what we're looking at, since I didn't read this in its entirety. I don't know what the statute says that are required to do but the court found that did the minimum necessary that a better requires the legislature can enlarge the statute and make it clear, if they want to provide greater reintegration assistance. I can do that. But it would be kind of legislating from the bench if, if that's not required by statute. Unknown 37:30 That's where I was just about to go with that. So then, do we want to know, do we want the judges to save us from the laws that we made by the government that we elected? Unknown 37:39 Well, most conservatives would say that don't want legislating from the bench. Therefore, they need to get into the legislature and clean this up and and make it clear of what they what they want to do CCS to provide. Right, Unknown 37:51 I know, I'm just playing devil's advocate over here Unknown 37:54 so well, and Unknown 37:56 demonstrated do that I've learned from you I'm learning how these things work. I'm demonstrating that to you Unknown 38:03 so Unknown 38:03 well, Unknown 38:05 it's amazing, though, that a lot of our people would want legislating from the bench on something like this, I would say Well, clearly. Unknown 38:13 But that would be a legislative question. If they wanted to provide more specific services since provided, then that needs to go through Albany, and that these are grafted into the statute. And they need to say what services are provide are required to be provided. If you're going to get $100 in a bus ticket. The statute has to say that but otherwise, otherwise, they're not required to provide it. That's not to say that some prison wardens may may have fun that they solicit donations from I've heard of this around the country, rarely, but I have heard of it, where they where they create a gate money fund, and they and they have some gate money for people that they decided to give it to militia. But if you want that to be public policy, you have to make that through the process. Unknown 38:58 Absolutely. So you really go over to the Washington compass. I mean, Washington Post, Unknown 39:03 I sure am. Unknown 39:06 Here's another article about the first step act, it's called we have nothing to fear from federal sentencing reform. This is from wonk blog analysis is what the the sub section of the paper is talking about. And I guess there are people that are fussing about the first step back and the reworking of this thing that would let just so many violent offenders out on the street. And I think it says that there are 1700 people that are released every day and the first day, first step back would be the equivalent to having about three or four extra days of prison released during the year. So 1700 people will call that hundred so it'd be like an extra what's that 20 people perhaps that have violent tendencies would be released per day, if I've done my math roughly, right. And you should never do your math in your head while you're streaming a podcast, Unknown 40:02 I would say I don't know mathematical analysis but it's a narrowly focused Unknown 40:08 and it does have it does have checks and balances according to what I've read and and I think it's going to enlarge the battle good time to get a little bit from the current 54 days per year. But but I just don't see the fear when you get what you get. Something's been vetted for as long as this has traces are there is a there are sufficient controls that it's not going to be turning loose a tidal wave of crime, it's probably so minuscule that we won't even be able to detect it Unknown 40:40 right. And then there's another provision that Unknown 40:44 gets reduces the sentencing disparity between powder and crack cocaine, which is basically like white versus black drug, if you want to put it like crudely like that, Unknown 40:54 yes, it says in this Washington Post Oracle provision, the first step like the largest number of prisons eligible for release also or narrow in scope that clarifies that prisons get 54 days off their Sensi here for good time. credits are in Buffalo in prison rules and participating in rehabilitation programs. The law has been on the books for some time, but it's been interpreted by the Bureau presence to impose the 47 day limit if implemented retroactively, this change with what we have free for 4000, 4000 Unknown 41:23 prisoners. So what this particular provision is they've already done their time, there's apparently a disagreement about whether they get 47 or 54 days a year. And if you if you if you give them the 54 versions of 47 that that would shave off that would cause people to roll it to be they're going to be really stayed away they would just be really slightly earlier but they're going out anyway. But that but don't that tidal wave of crime if that if that's what's going to happen that's going to be released anyway. Unknown 41:53 Right. Unknown 41:54 So I think it's much of who we are. But this is this is where we are with with our political system. And I can assure you that Tancock believes he's representing the views of the bar majority of residents of Arkansas Unknown 42:08 put some hard numbers behind the statistics. So it says that there's a million a half people behind bars in the United States and 12%, 12 Unknown 42:16 and a half percent of those are in federal prison. So we're only talking about 200,000 people give or take right this actually applies to Unknown 42:25 yes and but that the universe is very small little to our thousand they're not talking about released into our thousand are talking about releasing a very small number of the 200,000 possibly up to 4000 early, but those 4000 I'll be released anyway, just slightly later. Unknown 42:45 And why are we assholes in the United States and want to put people in prison eight times longer, as Lindsey Graham said, eight times longer than other Western nations. Unknown 42:53 Well, I did that presentation I Dallas a few years ago. And I don't understand that because we're the compassionate society believes in forgiveness and why we incarcerate at that level, I can't explain it. I'm saying that it's been drilled into us but by fear mongering for the last couple of decades. So starting in the 80s last three decades about how we need to clamp down on crime. And that's been that's the message is resonating with people and and the answer to everything is lock people up for longer. That's been our solution to crime. And some would argue it's worked, the crime rate has been going going down the whole time, we've been locking up more and more people Unknown 43:33 go read Freakonomics and you'll come up with a whole lot of alternative ideas as to why prime right but but Unknown 43:39 they will tell you statistically, I know since we've been locking up more people, we've got a lower crime rate, you can't deny that Unknown 43:46 No. and No, I mean, it would be really hard. Like if you are in prison, you can't go rob the convenience store it is pretty much an impossibility. Unknown 43:54 The question becomes could we have had a lower crime rate and a better society without locking up 1.8 million 2.2 billion people could we have achieved similar results will never know that because we didn't try Unknown 44:07 right. And we just let you know it started in the 80s whatever with a Reagan and being you know, three strikes and all that stuff and then got signed by Clinton. And it's just been a tidal wave ever since a love side Unknown 44:21 of those statistics. when reagan was awarded, we had 20,000 people in federal prison for that population had been for a 40 year period from Unknown 44:29 it had hovered between 18 and 22,000 depending on economic conditions. And by the time Reagan left office to small government conservative, we left he left office with 57,000. So he practically tripled in eight years. The federal prison population had been steady for 40 years. And then by the time by the time Clinton left office we were over 200,000 are right at 200,000, and it can take you to go up through the bushes and through the first term of Obama and then with Obama's reforms of the crack power despair and by simply changing the way the US Attorney's prosecute, but not requiring them to prosecute the highest possible offense and seek all the enhancements tools that are available in the federal structure they were able to bend that population down and we started going down in the last half of Obama's presidency that continued through 2017 under Trump I think it might even continue to 18 I haven't followed the numbers close enough but if the policies of Jeff Sessions which were I'm assuming approved by the president to to to seek the maximum penalty and the stack charges and to follow every enhancement that you possibly can I can't see how that would continue of us the sentencing reform bill this first step is an active because it seems like to me if you don't fund early reentry for the final six months of people's federal sentence if you cut the funds for that which they've done which keeps people in prison longer and you stack charges and you sick maximum penalties I don't know how the population but keep going down Unknown 46:04 tilt your head and you know maybe talk when I closed maybe maybe that'll work and you'll see the numbers the way that they do Unknown 46:10 well well yeah but but that that's what I'm predicting this if it does go down this year without any reform This will be the last year because will still be on the inertia of the of it takes a while to get people charged convicted and serving time and the people that were sent us to the previous eight years a lot of those are still kicking out of the system it'll these things don't magically change overnight so the inertia of the previous eight years making care of while longer the federal prison system but the policies that we're following today with maximum sentences and not giving people their their their community reentry of the average of six months at that federal prisons typically get all that detail in their sentences we're going to have more people in prison sorry that hate to tell you that's why it's gonna happen Unknown 46:56 no doubt and then this next article comes from the appeal and man Why don't we have King Alexander on here to help us talk to this one and we we totally need to get somebody on here that speaks in a really thick Cajun accent so they could read this article in a I can't do occasion accent normally prosecutor calls Unknown 47:14 UK Unknown 47:17 know I know I know. That's not even close. They're like that whole by you talk thing. I mean, I lived there for six years in New Orleans and I have no clue I've never been able to imitate the mall Sherry kinda No, no idea. It's a very hard accent to imitate To me it does is Unknown 47:35 Oh, but the New Orleans prosecutor calls for new bail fund extremely disturbing Unknown 47:42 What do you think about the idea of like maybe a nonprofit or something that just continually collect money from the citizenry to try and help people find their way out of pre detention stuff pre pre tree Unknown 47:59 what's the word I'm looking for for your bond here and stuff for pre thank you pre trial attention that could help you bond your way out because there's so many people that just take a plea because they're stuck there for three months and they can't make a $5,000 bond but so maybe there's some nonprofit that would kick in some funds and help you make bonds so you can get yourself back in order does that sound like a bad idea Unknown 48:20 well according to do ordinance to the audience parish district attorney Leon can zero well hope I got that close he says this new world and safety and freedom fund has been operating more than a year and it's built up more than 200 people is is disturbing because these people according to him his theory says they have not put their own money up that there they have a higher propensity to commit crime that's his theory that that that if you if you put your own money at stake now I'm not going to take a position on it because I have done the scientific research we're seeing the studies but his theory is without your money is take that your your your propensity to commit another crime while your pending trial would be higher. Unknown 49:01 But it's okay for Andrew Zimmerman to get all kinds of funding after the Trayvon Martin debacle in Florida, Unknown 49:08 that his name something several several Andrew Andrew Zimmerman, Unknown 49:12 we share a similar name, so it didn't didn't miss me by much. Unknown 49:16 Alright, well, I remember the same property remember the first time Well, that would be that would be different because you understand he was the victim that Trayvon was not the victim. Trayvon was the instigator. I don't know why you don't understand that. Unknown 49:31 But he covered an article just a week or two ago, have a guy with the exact same name as someone else. And he's like, I can't get a job because my name is john smith. And this guy was convicted of heinous crime and his name is john smith. I'm not that guy. But I can't get a job he could get locked up. And why Can he get some funding? Unknown 49:49 Well, I was being facetious about this. I know so what I was trying to derail the conversation a little bit I know 00 been in my mind not sitting on the jury I didn't see all the evidence but from what was presented publicly following a person and and shooting them Unknown 50:07 I think that jury may have gotten it wrong Unknown 50:11 don't know that you need permission to walk to the to the convenience store and get a pop in some what they call those candies he was buying, I don't think you really need permission in America to do that. And I don't think you or anybody does he listen, Unknown 50:23 I don't think you're very and Unknown 50:25 wearing a hoodie. I don't think anybody an explanation of where you're going. But back to this. Unknown 50:34 So back to the freedom fund. I don't I don't understand the district attorney's consternation completely because I don't have any evidence that that would would, that would convince me that a person on bail is more dangerous than a person sitting if the veil was made by their brother versus made by the Freedom Foundation. The freedom funds money, I don't understand how very few people I don't think poster on bonds. Could we agree on that? When you call up when you get in jail? You should call somebody to get help with veil, right? Unknown 51:08 That's probably fair. I mean, it could be at least 50 I mean, like, I'll concede 5050 I mean, I don't know that Unknown 51:15 well, yeah, my experience has been criminal defense is that they usually get help posting their bail. Mm hmm. So if you're getting help from the freedom fun Unknown 51:25 that somehow escalates your danger to the community, because you don't have any skin in the game. Okay, if you get money from your brother Bob, that's not your skin in the game either. And I haven't seen the statistics that a person who's out on bail regarding who paid the bill that there's any support for his position. But I think it's if the organization has every right to exist, because when you're when you're sitting in jail pending trial, we talked about this with the Manafort case where he was allowed the opportunity to computer and say more in his defense, and most county jail settings across the country, there's very little if any difference than how you're treated, those people are sent us waiting to be picked up to go to the intake and diagnostics internet state direct are treated the same as the person who was arrested yesterday and can't post a $10,000 bond, they all wear the same clothing, they all were the food, they all have the same restricted access to visitation to the telephones to the Internet, and whatnot. So this one is trying to say, we recognize the statistics do show that those who are out on bail, get more favorable plea offers, and they they have a better shot at being more fully participatory in their defense. That is a given and I don't think anybody will call the podcast or email us and say that, that that that's not true if we have to actually prove that because that that has been proven. I don't understand why district attorney who believes in justice who put his handle that bottom what object to a person having a shot at equal justice under the law. I thought that's what it was all about. Unknown 53:07 Because it's going to make his job harder. Unknown 53:11 Oh, Unknown 53:13 so he just wants to get convictions, he just wants to put another notch on the bedpost. He just wants to get convictions and having somebody locked up you have more leverage than having them out on the street running around, Unknown 53:26 or assholes, Larry, I've just, it's we just have a really flawed system. And I don't know that there's any hope. Unless we, the US and the me's and all the thousands of listeners. If those people would step up and try and make this change. Unknown 53:40 I don't understand why you just don't leave this country. All I hear is griping from you. Unknown 53:45 It's because someone won't fund my way out. If I could get an organization will call it let's see here. What's it called? What's it called? What's it called? What's this place called? The Freedom fund? If they would help make it out then I would Unknown 53:59 Yeah, but but why would you want to try to make the country better? Why don't you just leave rather than talking about our problems and like if I'm Unknown 54:05 going to let's see Somalia that sounds a great place to go Unknown 54:09 so yeah, but that that's my reaction to people that say that way we were born here and we don't have to leave and we have every right to try to improve our country and to to shed light and focus on things that need to be changed and that's what we're doing here this is a flawed system we have monetary bail has serious flaws and is there a perfect solution no the solutions that are being tried were there were they've abolished bail they have their flaws also in terms of people sit in jail longer and they can't post a bond they sometimes lose their jobs they have all these electronic apparatuses strapped to them and that that oftentimes have cost associated with them where with the bonded pay one time they might pay for a whole 18 months I mean there's no perfect system but what's wrong with us exploring trying to figure out ways of to improve the system where we do agree that there are flaws in it what so what is the line patriotic about that Unknown 55:09 I don't know it seems like it'd be more patriotic to to make the system mo betta. That's just Unknown 55:15 That's what I thought. But when we offer criticisms it's because we love the country and we want it to be better we want to live up to those ideals that everybody's equal under the law and that people get a fair shake regardless of what what birth canal that came through. We want that to happen that doesn't mean that we hate the country it means we actually we admire greatly those words that are those precious documents we want to get as close as we can't actually saying those documents followed for everybody Unknown 55:46 ready to be a part of registry matters. Get links at registry matters dot CEO. Unknown 55:52 If you need to be all discreet about it, contact them by email registry matters cast at gmail. com. You could call or text or ransom message to 747-227-4477 want to support registry matters on a monthly basis. Head to patreon. com slash registry matters. Not ready to become a patron. Give a five star review at Apple podcasts for stitcher or tell your buddies that your treatment class about the podcast. We want to send out a big heartfelt support for those on the registry. Keep fighting without you. We can't succeed. You make it possible. Well, this next article comes from the collegian I think I hope I haven't butchered that to death. What do you think about the idea of going to people and presenting them with a survey than having them watch a brief video that explains the facts and then having them take the survey again, do you think that that could potentially win over and change some people's minds? And really any subject whether its climate change whether it's to bullshit about same sex marriage, whatever, specifically, we're talking about the sex offender laws. Do you think that that would work Unknown 57:06 a lot? I love the idea. I I love the idea. I wonder how soon we can start this and mass because apparently it had an impact. Unknown 57:17 Yeah, I think so. Um, so here's a guy in a California School who's doing a master's thesis. And he's picking really controversial subjects for his thesis. And he put together a survey that specifically asked about what people thought about the registry and the people that are on it, what the recidivism rate is, and things of that nature. And he has a six minute video and I think you've got some of the clips from there's a the California sex offender management board, I guess, actually, that's where the video comes from. And it describes the statistics of it, are they all cut from the same cloth? Do they all like automatically reoffend as soon as they hit the street and he gives it to these millennials, I guess maybe these aren't even millennials, but they millennia if they're in college, now, millennials, Gen X or whatever, Unknown 58:02 there's a new generation now Unknown 58:05 forget what they're called. Anyway, so then young cats that are like 20 ish and going to college and after they watch the video they come back into like, Oh, I didn't realize was like that, I think we should change the way these laws work. Hey, this is a novel concept of so what we need Larry, then if this is the case, we need all you old people to die off so we can change the laws with the young people away. They don't vote Damn it, Unknown 58:29 that it says the perennial problem with the young people as they're erratic voters until they get older, Unknown 58:35 they have to be inspired. And an inspirational figure has to come along and we don't have those often enough for young people to stay connected. But But I like this because if you take us as assuming this was a valid study group but you do this and you come out with with somebody buys changed. Why not? Let's try this. Let's try it and Unknown 58:58 Georgia. Okay. I think he I want to say, you know, I read this this article. Yeah, he surveyed more than 400 students on campus in the spring of 2018. That's, that's a pretty decent sample size, Unknown 59:10 this is statistically significant sample. Unknown 59:13 And then I also want to give a shout out to will he, he's posted a bunch of times in the comments and he left up plugs for the podcast in here in the comments. So I really, really appreciate that. That's good times Unknown 59:26 or the comments on this article. Unknown 59:28 Correct. If you go down there, you'll see one that has a video like just half the frame of a video of a YouTube video and then just below that, a couple links down you'll see a link to the podcast Unknown 59:37 not the one it says a plus computer that is the one haha Unknown 59:42 Um, so anyway, so thank you for that. William and I mean, I I don't know how he could we could we run could could Marcel perhaps fund a nationwide television ad campaign or like a YouTube ad campaign to have some sort of 32nd infographic that posted out there to try and get people to question What's going on? Unknown 1:00:04 Well, I don't know the answer that not on what the cost of funding would be. We we have very very meager resources but short all all options are on the table in terms Yeah, this is a three prong attack that's led litigation legislation and education right and we we don't do enough of all of those things there's far too little litigation there's for too little education and there's virtually almost no legislation going on in terms of positive reforms and the legislative efforts are going to end up being focused on killing bad legislation where we have where we have operations around the country you're too busy trying to kill bad things you really can't do a whole lot positive you're you're you're on a constant mission of Don't let this get through it's going to make matters worse yeah Unknown 1:00:56 well I do want to then move on this is my favorite Article of the night bye This one wins the Unknown 1:01:03 this is insanity I you know I can't even pronounce where this comes from come Rebbie post here is a situation where you have miners being polygraphs and I absolutely i mean like one of my hot buttons in this podcast is about the polygraph and just like the level of garbage that it is it is at the very top of my list of things that we should remove from practice across all aspects and there's just one little thing that just absolutely drives me crazy it says the youngest child reportedly tested with seven years of age you're going to put a seven year old on a polygraph machine I can't I cannot fathom how you actually do this Unknown 1:01:47 find it Unknown 1:01:49 I don't even know if I can find words that would be suitable for this program to how objectionable I find this this is to be like interviewing a juvenile particular someone that young but a juvenile is largely protected by having to have a parent or guardian present I can assure you that these polygraphs we're not done with the parent or guardian president I'd be very surprised a juvenile mind is we know is not very well developed for for for this type of interchange and what you would what you would have would be a lot of confessions Unknown 1:02:24 at the end of the polygraph because the juvenile mind would would not be if adults can fail at the numbers that they do after they are told to their deceptive what what do you think what happened to the juvenile examine it when they were told that they were deceptive? Unknown 1:02:37 It would be they would make up whole kinds of stories to please the adults in the room basically, I think Unknown 1:02:45 well, they could do that. But just being told that your show deception, deception and we know that you're lying that's what trips up most adults I'm waiting for that petition for someone to send me let me make the offer again if someone can send a petition in writing this to revoke someone's probation or parole and it all it says is showed deception on polygraph and listen carefully. That's all the petition can say. It can't say that they admitted to subsequent violations because that's what the revocation is based on that's the motion but if someone can show me that we have a petition where it says that they failed show deception on polygraph therefore we're seeking revocation of supervision wanting to see those and I got a challenge out there for one of those no one has shown me yet that now what the half shell is a big kicked out of treatment for failing polygraphs that's not the same thing they've been discontinued for treatment but what the juvenile offenders going to do whether they're more likely do if the adults already do this and say yeah you got me yeah was out after curfew Yeah. Was online Yeah, well, the that's what sends you a way is the initial that you make I would think that a juvenile offenders particularly if you go into the very tender years of Unknown 1:04:10 14 or below 1514 below you're going to have a lot of admissions once they've told that they show deception in this this massive machine knows if we got 40 and 50 and 60 year olds doing I can assure you that the juveniles but just collapsed under that kind of pressure. So please said this one. It's a bit petition on their side waiting for one, Unknown 1:04:31 this one can I the polygraph test is right up there with so many other things as pseudoscience, it is so high up there and I just absolutely hate every second of it. And it makes me really really angry. Unknown 1:04:43 Well, how did we manage that during the Reagan administration of course we had a democratic congress that was more liberal than Reagan but we managed to get a bipartisan agreement and polygraphs pre employment conditions for severely were the government still allowed to use them but but for the private sector pre polygraph pre employment polygraphs all but vanished back in the 80s how how probable would we be able to go up against this polygraph industrial complex and and do away with these stupid things I think it's gonna be a tough one but but it to me I've I've come around to to believing that they're probably Voodoo but they still serve the purpose that we use them for. Which was to get our clients to confess so that we would Unknown 1:05:34 know I'd be like it's effective at that abou game of scaring you into thinking that the big bad machine is going to tell you that your line but it doesn't tell you that you lied it tells you that you had some sort of response to the question that's it you could show somebody some horrific picture of someone being slashed and hacked to death and then you'd be like wow you had you had some kind of response to that you're being deceptive I was watching a video man but you Unknown 1:05:58 should but why do they always confessed after that we like in front of them what the results every single person that show deceptive always said, Yeah, I right. You got me. Unknown 1:06:10 You scared him. I mean, you could you could just kind of brow beat somebody to death. If you ever watched you don't watch movies. But if you ever go watch the movies, Meet the Parents, or Meet the Fockers is what it's called. And gosh I always forget his name it's not Al Pacino the other one I those two actors always gets me Unknown 1:06:27 oh shoot anyway um I'll remember his name eventually super duper long time actor he's probably in the 70s that Robert De Niro's the guy and he's like he's looking at the guy that's trying to date his daughter he just like super duper stern look and he's like I could do a polygraph just on my own I can just watch you and tell you if you're lying that's all it is you're intimidated by it that's all the thing does is intimidate you into saying yeah I did that thing okay so you'll believe Unknown 1:06:52 that our clients to told us ally just because we said your show. deceptive. They told us what we want to hear you, Blake. They actually did do the crimes. Uh, Unknown 1:07:01 no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying it that way. I'm saying that they they lied to you up front. But then you put the big band machine on that you you you presented them with the BU game and they came clean. Right. But it works from that. I know. But so you didn't have to have like the machine you could other way to? I know, but you could have had a bullshit machine and it would have worked. You could have just had a while. I mean, what's the difference when a bullshit machine and a bullshit machine they're the same thing. You could have had some fake thing with just some wires and stuff hooked up that did? I can't it's not even possible to describe that because that's all it is. But You scared the person into copping to the to the crime. It's it would be the same thing. So yes. Does it have the desired effect? Yes. But that doesn't make it effective. Unknown 1:07:47 Be very effective Unknown 1:07:48 if they admitted I Unknown 1:07:51 know I understand that. So like, but if you change your perception of the world, like there's just a problem with it. From a scientific standpoint, if it works, it works. But chiropractic care doesn't work either. But it makes you feel good. But it's not like you're going to realign your spine and you're going to fix some ingrown toenail. That's also garbage. Yes, send me all your emails. A chiropractic care is great. They're not real doctors. They go take a correspondence course for two years. It's not real Unknown 1:08:17 well, they're people tell you that they were laid up in the bed for three and a half years and couldn't get out every day till till they saw their chiropractor for the last six months. Now they're they're playing football and playing basketball and that they're they're living the high life Unknown 1:08:31 absolutely Unknown 1:08:33 is that is that all of their head? Unknown 1:08:35 I would then argue that it is something along the lines that that it's in their head that somebody came in and touch their spine the right way and crack their knuckles the right way. And now they go do the things acupuncture is garbage, all the stuff fits into the same category of boo game garbage pseudoscience nonsense. Unknown 1:08:52 Haha, that Unknown 1:08:53 that's my Alright. Alright, so well, why can't wait so many emails. You get this Unknown 1:09:00 Larry at registry matters. Cat. That's who they should send them to. Unknown 1:09:05 So we're, Unknown 1:09:07 we're not wait, let's face skip some of these articles. We're not gonna have time for this big main event that we have. Unknown 1:09:13 Well, we should probably just skip to the main event then. Let's wait. We can we can cut it. I don't think there's anything else. That's a can we can we cover the Delaware thing real quick? Sure. I just so so we have this other article from the appeal. And we'll just touch on this one really quick. You have like Delaware is the second smallest state I don't. How do you have any prisoners in a state with like, you know, with with like, it's like the size of a neighborhood. And but just a couple things where the cert team goes in, you know, there's some kind of ride or whatever. And, but you got somebody prisoners also described being stomped, kicked, spit on and punched in the face and stomach. Some said they were ambushed by corrections officers in their cells. They took off my glasses and stomped on them. Then sprayed pepper spray my eyes, nose and mouth. Unknown 1:10:03 Why do we treat people like this? Unknown 1:10:06 Well, just for those who who are not familiar with Andy's hyperbole, Delaware has just shy of a million people just larger larger than while being larger than Nebraska I did not receive excuse me misspoke large other Bobby Lord, larger than Alaska in terms of population is a very densely populated state. Because the the number of people they have is they're pretty cramped, because it is a fairly small state. But I can't answer that question of about what makes us do that to another human being. I don't know. I think it must say something about who works in prisons? If assuming Unknown 1:10:51 I mean, did you observe that when you when you were and and the care of the DLC Unknown 1:10:58 You make it sound like in the care of the DLC? Yes, they cared for me Yeah, it was definitely a really stellar environment yeah i mean you know when you have people that are trying you know, the lock the door they had, they had some silliness where they actually had handles that like you could actually like grab an anti something around so they sent you a bunch of sheets together and then they tie the doors they like that I guess door you would pull to open it so they were able to actually like lasso and tie the door shut Yeah, you're going to get the cert team called in on you when you do that but I can pretty much guarantee you that people's locker boxes are going to end up running out after a handful of days maybe cut off the water I don't know you know, I mean you could kind of go after them with some soft approaches and they're going to eventually calm down Unknown 1:11:45 you observed tech tactics there that you were describing this article and Unknown 1:11:52 I have I have definitely seen the cert team coming in and doing their thing and marching around the campus like they're you know some sort of like big brigade of military for and they look kind of silly but I mean they're intimidating because they're in black and they got like their m 16 looking gums with our paintball guns whatever they're intimidating looking and you think that if you I mean literally if you do make the wrong move someone's going to shoot you from across the room with a paintball gun which a is going to hurt and then the pepper sprays and come out and you're not going to be happy about it Unknown 1:12:19 yeah this is for they were they've had a pricing for Unknown 1:12:24 article but this is what a year it's where they've had the protesting for better conditions sure I think that's Unknown 1:12:29 what that's what the whole thing is talking about this lawsuit claims Delaware prisoners are still being beaten stripped and tortured months after uprising being wild the abysmal medical care that helps spark the right persists you have taken over these people's lives you have put them behind bars where they are in capable of carrying for themselves and then you treat them like shit and you then further not care for them and they eventually we'll get mad Unknown 1:12:55 but now the very infamous Joe or pile had an answer for that if you don't like our accommodations don't come back Unknown 1:13:03 and he got reelected for what 40 years Unknown 1:13:07 well over well over I think between 28 or 32 years ago he was out there a long time Unknown 1:13:12 so apparently we Americans like to treat people like poop Unknown 1:13:17 at least at least it appears that way of Delaware it and Maricopa County Arizona Unknown 1:13:24 and they did they did have that recall election finally go through the recount. Not the recall the recount election they finally certified and it's one of the rare times that a recount actually changed the results of the person that conceded Unknown 1:13:37 about in Arizona Senate race with Kirsten cinema and whatever name Unknown 1:13:41 huh. Yeah, I can't the military chick who was running on the conservative ticket. Unknown 1:13:46 So Arizona has changed demographically. Unknown 1:13:51 Yeah, all the like the snowbirds are moving in that direction, I guess. Unknown 1:13:54 And so let's have the main event tonight. Unknown 1:13:58 Alright, this is a case of so much stuff comes out of North Carolina. It is probably like the ground zero of cases it would seem to me there's just so much stuff comes out of there. And here's a case it's called Stein versus Meredith and or Meredith versus time. Which way does it go? It goes, Meredith first Stein. And here you have a case of you know, there you just set up cuz you're going to be better at it. Unknown 1:14:25 Though the case the issue is something that affects all registrants across the country, because at one time or another, people are going to consider moving from one jurisdiction to another, and the question perennial comes up, what will my registration obligations be in that state and always give her by the same answer, they'll be what that state tells you that they are right. And of course, they get irritated that I give them an answer. But that is the that's the basic answer. Because your registration obligation since their civil regulatory, they would be like your vehicle when you take it from one state to the other. You may not pay on a valorem tax and one state you may pay on any form or another words evaluation tax on your vehicle. In some states, you've just might pay a registration fee. And some states, you might pay registration fee, and you might pay a vehicle inspections fee and me but all the things are state specific? Well, it's the same thing when you carry your person across state lines, you you've you've had one set of conditions in the regulatory scheme, where were you were living and then you've got to have that those are going to be translated because there's no state that can list all the offenses of the entire country and have them properly translated. So what happens is when you move to a new state, there's their issues that come into play is my offense cover Unknown 1:15:42 is if my offense is covered, what period of time will register for the states where everybody's lifetime it that's not a particular complex answer there in terms of holler, have to register if you're a fence is covered by Florida law. Since everyone is registered for life in Florida, we know how long you'll have to register, you'll have to read for life. If you move from Vermont to Florida, we we can easily do that. But if you move to a state where they have varying registration periods, then what your offense is equivalent to is important. And that's what Meredith versus Stein it's about. Meredith as the as the petitioner and Stein as the as the responded and the Attorney General North Carolina the thought of litigation on North Carolina because that is where we have a good legal team nozzles primary attorney is based in Durham, North Carolina. And and he's he's anxious and chomping at the bit to go after low hanging fruit. And this is a basic one about due process since North Carolina has language that requires that there be a translation that it be substantially similar, then what how do you determine substantially similar and in this case, the register the moved from one state to North Carolina, and he wanted to find out he had to register so he's reported to the registration office and I forget the name of the county and they said, Nope, you don't have to. Unknown 1:17:06 Then he moved to another county, he moved to Wake County, which is Raleigh. And for whatever reason, unbeknownst to me, having been told by a registration official in the previous County, you don't have to register. But then he moved years later, he goes in again, which, you know, I don't know what inspired to going in. But he goes into Wake County and says, well, do I have to register? And they said, Oh, well, yeah, you do. Unknown 1:17:31 And and so then he found this action Unknown 1:17:36 asking the court to declare that in order for them to do that there has to be a process to share for themselves just can't make it up as they go. And that that's that's what this case is about. So it will have far reaching ramifications if the appellate review upholds the trial. Judge Unknown 1:17:57 Do you think they'll appeal Unknown 1:17:59 I'd be very surprised rise to North Carolina didn't appeal because having due process costs money and it's a lot easier to have the sheriff when a person moves from from Oklahoma to North Carolina say, Yeah, looks pretty much like a sex offense to me, by golly, and you'll have to register here that's not very costly having a person move from Oklahoma to North Carolina and saying, well, Unknown 1:18:30 we think you have to register here here's what we think it compares to but you have the right to disagree with us and you have 10 days to follow it administrative appealed and within 30 days will schedule your hearing before administrative law judge and you have the right to counsel and you have the right to present evidence that cost a little bit more than what the previous process on described now which do you think if you were the the the person who reserved the taxpayer resources in North Carolina Do you think you would want to have a second process or the first process which would be more cost efficient for the taxpayers of North Carolina Unknown 1:19:10 certainly the the sheriff just making the determination Unknown 1:19:14 right so that's why they would appeal that would be one reason the other reason would be because they can and that draws people up the wall but they Unknown 1:19:24 theoretically the North Carolina statute according to the State Attorney General's Office general statute 14 dash to await point six subsection for see they say that they've done all the due process that he's entitled to and they're going to continue to defend that and say that's our job as attorney general I put my handle that Bible Unknown 1:19:44 I said let's go defend the laws of the state and that's what I'm going to do and we're going to fight this tooth and nail and i would i would be shocked if they didn't appeal and this is a very new case it was just decided November 7 so it's only been our Unknown 1:19:57 tummies. Unknown 1:19:59 Alright so let me let me try and interject my non legal mind we had the situation on Halloween where the shares were then making people post signs where they had no statue the no statutory authority to do so right isn't this isn't this like very similar that the sheriff doesn't have the the statutory authority to make that determination Unknown 1:20:19 know that this is not actually the rise or the statute of North Carolina does if it's substantially similar to to another jurisdiction they just didn't follow that up with what's with establishing how that would be determined and since the sheriff is the registry official it appears though the sheriff as well so I'm just gonna have to make a decision around here I got a registrant and I got to figure out and I'm not gonna be the one that tells them they don't have to register that's not gonna be good for my political career. So the sheriff and still is saying that since the statute requires that there be substantially similar termination and other registering official, who else do you think would make the decision of course, I'll make the decision Unknown 1:21:00 voters elected me, I've got that authority. Unknown 1:21:02 That's their position. And that's the Attorney General's position that that that that requirement. Now, the attorney general what likely if he loses this on appeal, he would just urge the legislature of North Carolina to simply drop that that that that there has to be a substantial similar determination, they could just simply cure this mistake. Anybody who's required to read treating Where's required to register here that you don't need all this Kabuki stuff, a due process which which is costly. There's a there's another side of that argument that can be made. If I were trying to convince lawmakers you don't want that I would say well, you can do that. But but their states who have brought a registration schemes, we're going to be breaking in a fence here that that probably aren't worthy of the resources that we're expanding on tracking them. And then if I'm in your project, Lori I've argued equal protection clause, I've got to say, well, another argument is that people who have come from out of state, they're not getting the same protection from North Carolina laws that are in town to because we only register this list of fences if you're convicted here. And then we read yours to the whole broad universe of advances from other states. So therefore there's a new cause of action could be possibly assorted so but but that's one easy, quick fix. It's just just eliminate that substantially said were tested. That's what I would expect them to do if they lose the litigation, Unknown 1:22:18 which then goes back to your three legs of the stool of five, remember, right. So you have legislation, litigation and education. So this is the legislation side where we would then Nate need to be in the state capitol watching for this to this language to be changed to somehow call it from happening that is, that is Unknown 1:22:40 if we were there, I can't guarantee you that we would be able to quell it. I will guarantee you this. If we're not there. We won't Unknown 1:22:48 I knew this where you're going to get like so. So if you and I decide to like we're gonna have some basketball tournament, and I'm pretty sure that both of us are going to be really suck at basketball. But who wins if one of us doesn't show up? Unknown 1:23:01 That's the whole thing of the red registration. David, he doesn't understand that there are no organizations. When I say no, that's not literal. There are very few organs that are out there advocating our side. And if we're not organized, and if we're not there, and if we're not eloquent, articulate and well reasoned, they're going to win, they're paid to be there, Unknown 1:23:28 they're going to win by default, Unknown 1:23:30 when they're gonna worry about the fall. Plus they are they're paid to be there. They're professionals. They're the Association of Attorney General's association of prosecutors, the Sheriffs Association, all these people who were nice and stick do and nice three piece suits, they're they're telling the legislators held this is essential to keep the community safe when they look around the room and they say, Does anyone have any concerns or opposition to this legislation? And there's dead silence? What do you expect the lawmakers to do? And that setting they need political cover to win when they engage in or debate they need political cover. And if the room is stone silent, Unknown 1:24:09 and Unknown 1:24:11 all the other organizations have said this as a central Republic safety, what do you expect them to do? Unknown 1:24:19 I also want to say that at the conference in Ohio, when the legislative panel was up there, somebody asked the question of is there some sort of Is there a scale like, I don't know the right way to word this. But except for to give an example, you've been there 100 times, 1000 times you are polished and professional, you know, what, what to do, I have never been there has to be some sort of concession on their part, like, Look, this is a new person will will give them a lot of liberties, I guess, this kind of way that I'm putting, they're going to cut me a lot of slack, not to discount what I'm saying necessarily just because of it. But to Unknown 1:24:57 to just like, you know, cut around the edges and figure out what I'm actually trying to do, instead of just accepting that the person is there and grading the on the same scale as the professional, I guess, is the way that I should work that Unknown 1:25:09 they are going to, they're going to cut a citizen a lot of slack, they don't cut you a lot of slack, if you come ill informed Unknown 1:25:17 that catch a lot of slack, in terms of your stumbling and your speaking skills. But if you start spewing all stuff that that you don't know or cannot sign any source for only victims advocates get to be emotional when you're in their own this cause what you say, needs to check out you're not afforded the latitude to give on true information. And, and, and I stress that to everybody, certain people can, you can't if you tell them. recidivism is 3.2%, you better have a study to back it up. If they asked for what if you tell them to people on the registry for your data in public, you better damn well having an example that are you state because that's one of the favorite lines. There's nobody on the registry that I know of for that offense. I'd never ever say that because I can't back that up there. And that's the kind of thing that will bring you down. If you're not credible. You don't have to be eloquent. But you have to be credible Unknown 1:26:18 and ask if you start talking and you say that they're all corrupt. And you know, so it's a big it's a kangaroo court are they going to take that Unknown 1:26:26 if you start personally attacking them, you're not going to be you're not going to be bro well received. Believe it or not. These people are good people. They're bad people mixed with a good peoples are in all professions. But these people by and large across the country receive virtually no salaries. When you look at our state, they get a per diem, but it's states they get 12, 1418, $22,000 Unknown 1:26:48 a year. And it's a year round job, their phone calls coming in all the time from constituents, emails come in at all the time when they're not in session. And there's Neighborhood Association. There are people wanting to sponsor that sponsored, you could make legislating a full time job, even though you don't get paid if that's what you wanted to do. And they do because they want to do good Is there a small group that want to use it as a stepping stone to get the Higher Power Of course, there are just like, there are people who use anything for for, for sinister purposes. But but people who run for for legislative offices, by and large are good people, even the ones I disagreed with. They're good people. I think they're misguided. But they're good people. They they they believe firmly as I do in their position. They believe that if you cut taxes and bloom spending on the military, just somehow another deficit will go down. Of course, if you look at the history, it never does. But they believe that or at least I could they convince me that they believe in I say, Well, I appreciate where you're coming from. I can't statistically bear you out. When we look at tax cuts. If we look at definitely they always did the balloon Unknown 1:27:57 but Unknown 1:27:58 but they believe they believe that better example would probably be in people believe in school vouchers, there are people who believe fervently that that the difficulty in reforming public schools with all the plethora of problems, there's no single problem with but public schools are not doing well. They believe that rather than waiting for the reform to happen, this laboriously slow that simply giving people a voucher for an equal amount of money does they can go out and spend of their own choosing is a solution. They believe that I happen to believe that are problems with that, but they're not evil people because they believe that and, and you're going to find yourself in really bad straits in terms of how much credibility if you attack them because of their beliefs. A you can challenge them on in terms of I think this is misguided public policy. But but but but there's a very fine line between not attacking a lawmaker personally. And if you will be successful, I advise you not to do it. Unknown 1:29:01 Well, coming back to this this case, let me try and come up with something of some halfway intelligent questions to ask. So this person was convicted of a sexual offense in another state, and he had either like did he get convicted before the registry don't take in place? Unknown 1:29:19 No, that's not the issue here. He was convicted in Washington, and is merely an issue of the translation he was convicted of a misdemeanor offense in 2004 communication of minor for moral purposes. And the question is, is that translate to one of the crimes on the list in North Carolina, North Carolina doesn't have a catch all that says if you're required to register anywhere you're required to register here, they have language that says it has to be substantially similar. And the the sheriff in the first county said it's not an in years later when he moved he was first in it says and their spelling it PERS away. And I'm assuming that's the sheriff's office a person county which I've never heard a person but let's assume got it for correct. He registered he went in there in 2004 and said Do I have to register for this communication minor for more purposes, share said now don't rank so don't think it looks like anything compared to anything. We register here. And then five years later, he moved to Wake County which is Raleigh and he goes back and visits them again and White County and it's not clear to being why if you've been told by a government official, you don't have to register I don't know why you'd go into a new sheriff's office but he Unknown 1:30:32 was going to ask is that's what I wanted to ask you is so if he had been in North Carolina and had been told once to not register Why would he then go like back into the belly of the beast and try and well Unknown 1:30:45 funnier and 2009 when he first went to wake off at the sheriff's office I told him he didn't have to register it wasn't until 2017 so remember he's been around since 2004 so so listen to 2017 that the Wake County Sheriff change their mind deputy let's take a look this knife is Sherlock substantially separate report will conviction it me so. So he went into the sheriff's office a third time. So when they the first one that they they they apparently contacted him. And Unknown 1:31:15 so so how Unknown 1:31:16 did he come up on their radar? Then I wonder Unknown 1:31:18 why. But I think it'd be very easy to contact you got her driver's license, I just go ride your driver's license, see where you're living? If no, no, not Unknown 1:31:25 No. Not how to figure out where he is. But why did he come up on their radar of like, I mean, someone's just that board looking for like, I mean, they don't have enough people on the registry in North Carolina around with the Unknown 1:31:35 day that they audited a list of people Sun A new sheriff possibly got elected and said, we need to go through the people that we've told that don't have to are not required to register and let's take a look at them. We may have gotten it wrong. And they could have taken a more critical look at that communication. Well, which in my view, I think it very well could be substantial. Several I've done my own analysis. And I think that but the issue is not whether he has to register the issue was sure process the issue with you that they don't have they don't have the process, once they put the process in place is assuming they lose this appeal. If they if they win this appeal, they don't have to do it a due process. But once they put the process in place, then they can go back into side it is substantially similar. And they can he'll be right back where he is now he has to register Unknown 1:32:20 which is to say like my hot button is the polygraph your hot button is due process Unknown 1:32:25 by hot buttons. Very much due process. And I'm a fearful that we're losing it in America. And this thing since the complexity of registration. So so it's vastly different. The states that have this language, which is fairly common, they have the equivalent, substantially equivalent, substantially similar, they have language all over the map like this. And some states do have to catch all that if you have to read reading where but if they have, if they choose to say, we register if you have a substantially or an equivalent is that you've got to provide a process that somewhat objective and fair to determine it's out of time system where you got to give the person right to appeal and to present evidence why it's not substantially similar equivalent. That's all this battle is about. And North Carolina will probably decide it's too complicated. And they'll just say, we'll, we'll take that language out into safety registry and where you have to register here, Unknown 1:33:17 which then goes back to having someone watching the legislative process to try and interject our best methods into it as best we possibly as best we could. But we generally don't have representation, Unknown 1:33:29 the not adequate and generally many times not. But But this this case is not binding. But it's certainly persuasive. Because it's a well written opinion, we can link I guess, to it over on the show notes. It's a well written decision. And Unknown 1:33:43 even in Unknown 1:33:44 it those states that have that language, if you think that your offense may not be registered, number one, or you think that under that the new state you're in, if you believe that it should be translated to a laurila level of registration, then this case could be beneficial to you. Because if you if they're telling you well, by golly, this is a tier three lifetime. And if you legitimately can say, and, and you don't go back to the state where you said, well, it's a tier one, it must a conviction that's not relevant. what's relevant is if you translate that offense as close as you can, to the new states scheme. And what it translates to, if it's, if it's only a tier one or tier two, and they're telling you so tier three, this is an important thing to you, because the due process is not has not been provided you for you to challenge their determination. That's a tier three or maybe a tier two, and it should be a tier one this case could Unknown 1:34:42 understand Unknown 1:34:43 it could make a significant difference, but don't focus on your state of conviction. We no longer care about that state, if you want that state schools go live there. Unknown 1:34:53 But no, no, I understand. So. So if you get convicted of something like let's just say you urinated in public and sometimes state whatever, they don't even care, but it's a registered offense, but it's a level one and there are no obligations behind that. But you moved to North Carolina that says urinating in public is a tier three offense and you have like lifetime monitoring, that's why this matters, doesn't matter what they were talking about in Wyoming, or wherever it was where you urinated in front of a buffalo and you got put on the registry for that. Well, in North Carolina Unknown 1:35:21 in this case, he's just arguing that aside, even read trouble period that Yeah, no, Unknown 1:35:25 I get that. Yeah. Unknown 1:35:26 But but it but but the the other component of this that makes it significant is that you may have a claim that the new state has improperly categorized you even though you're a fence is cluttered. And most of the states registered schemes are broad enough to cover the basic universal sex offenses is the new on second Francis, where you're going to come into to a problem. So so it's not gonna be so much it's going to keep you from having to register. But it may keep you from having a longer obligation if the correct Yeah, tear you. And that's why this is important, Unknown 1:35:59 which was the I was going to ask you the question of why does this matter to anybody else. But that's why, like you said, it doesn't matter the state that you came from, and I'm using stupid, ridiculous arguments are examples to try. And I mean, you know, what, which, which, you know, if you if you have a cm charge, you're going to end up being registered. But maybe where you came from, it is a five year obligation, but where you're going, it's a 10 year obligation and the nuance there of, of age differences, or was it above the clothes under the clothes, whatever, all those things could then come into play to give you more or less registered time? Unknown 1:36:34 That is correct. And the states where it's everyone's lifetime, then the only question for you, then it does your offense translate to a ritual fence in that state. If that if that is the language that they've required that it be equivalent or similar to. But if they have varying levels of durations of registration, then it's much more important how this translation is done in California right now, everybody's still lifetime tech, everybody's lifetime, Florida, everybody's life doesn't matter if you go into one of those states. Because if you if you're covered, digital rich for life, we don't care about the other states requirements. But where there are very amounts of term self registration. This is extremely important. And I'm looking forward to litigating this in my state, I'm gearing up and looking for people right now who have out of state convictions that would make favorable plaintiffs to do this, because I want to establish once and for all, since we do have the language similar to what North Carolina has that there has to be a due process and it can't be just the secretary that answers a telephone IT department public safety in Santa Fe, that's not who it is. It's another person I shall not name at the moment. But I don't want that person making the decision with no due process, I want us to have a bonafide process to determine what the out of state conviction is equivalent to, under our law. Unknown 1:37:58 I understand Unknown 1:37:59 me. So you you're not even necessarily trying to derail this so that it doesn't happen at all, just that there's some process that helps you have representation and get a fair shake out of it, Unknown 1:38:10 right? I want I want there to be a 10 year registered here is vastly different than that a 20 year lifetime, you you can't join the 20 year group, because that's based on when you were if you were, if you were off paper, if you had finished your obligations prior to order before June 30, 2005, then you have a fixed 20 year period or fix 10 year period. Anybody you can't join this hard to. It's hard to get off paper now prior to April, June 30, 2005. Unknown 1:38:43 But it's important if you're a 10 year offender, if your offense translates to attend your versus a lifetime, because if your tenure offender, then you don't get internet publication. And you don't have to report once a year unless you were convicted after July one 2013, which is twice your and 10 years. It ends if you say if the department public safety says your lifetime that it translates to a lifetime offense without due process, then you have the hope of getting off. That's why it's important. Right. And I suspect I suspect most people would prefer 10 years versus life Unknown 1:39:18 do you the so Laura's in the chat? And she asked if she thought she says that she thought you went by the laws in your state. So people can't state shop? What does this do for that type of mindset? Unknown 1:39:33 Well, the one she says by by the laws in your state, I'm assuming she means your state of conviction. And that's not correct, correct? Right. Okay. That is not correct. It is it is registration is governed by the state that you're living in that state by its prerogative can determine that that they go by the other state, you told us that you tell says you will register for at least 10 years or the pure required in your state of conviction. Unknown 1:40:01 But you tell us as an anomaly in doing that the majority of states don't do it that way. So your status, you can think that it has nothing to do with your registration term, if you leave that state. Unknown 1:40:14 And this isn't related to supervision, this is post supervision, right? Unknown 1:40:18 Yeah, we're not talking about supervision, she needs to get that out here on supervision. It is that is driven by the state where you're where you're convicted, supervision is not registration, you may register while you're supervised, but they're not the same thing, right. And your your supervision of Georgia says you've got 10 years of probation. And you go to Vermont, you've got 10 years of probation unless Georgia says otherwise. And you've got it you've got George's conditions of probation, plus whatever robot puts on you that they're allowed to do and interstate compact, they can add conditions that are consistent with how they supervise a civil really convicted offenders, their only job can release you from not can communicate to Georgia that you're doing fine and that supervision can either be relaxed that they could recommend a Georgia no longer require in person supervision and they can do a number of things but Georgia is the only entity they can release you from supervision Unknown 1:41:18 and so this this case isn't about supervision This is post supervision just dealing with the registry side of it Unknown 1:41:23 only registration Unknown 1:41:26 and that only then deals with the state that you're in and we're not talking about sending and receiving states it's just where you is be Unknown 1:41:34 that's where your feet Unknown 1:41:34 are present where you call home at the moment Unknown 1:41:37 where you have an obligation to register and this guy went for Washington where he communicated with a minor for more purposes to North Carolina and he's not hundred North Carolina law if he wants to go to Washington law he can he's free to go back there Unknown 1:41:53 or pick another country if he searches Unknown 1:41:56 so I see another one popped up what does that one say my glasses off Unknown 1:42:01 oh Unknown 1:42:01 she's we're just we're just completing the thought she just says I see where my confusion was so I'm I'm glad Unknown 1:42:07 I could help that would be $25 please Unknown 1:42:10 absolutely well she's already Patreon supporters I've just getting I know I know I know and thank you for that and thank you all patrons I actually didn't even bring that up at the beginning of the show wait we'll Unknown 1:42:19 get to it Unknown 1:42:21 Yeah Uh huh. I mean so I mean this is in one respect it's not there were looking for a silver bullet which isn't going to happen but this is something that is positive for you because you could be in a state that says we just register you if you have a sexual offense and so you could be convicted of wearing two different colored clothing and they call that a sexual offense and now you're on the registry and that other state so this helps you Unknown 1:42:48 end up having a more fair process that that's why this is good news for us and why we need to support what goes down with this Unknown 1:42:56 absolutely and it's gonna it's going to be the launch pad for litigation in this area because I've already pitching it based on as well written district judge this and from according to our north carolina people this is a fairly conservative district judge this is not a league heart Do good or so that this makes me more likely will be upheld appeal but I do expect to the appeal and hoping that it is upheld and then it's presidential within that circuit and and it has more power outside the circuit cuz we can say well the Fourth Circuit said in this case that that there must be due process for our state translation of sexual offences this this is just good stuff Unknown 1:43:39 interesting still a lot for me to digest so you know I guess it would be something that we will come back around and touch on as it develops Unknown 1:43:47 further we will probably invite Paul to come talk about it he's a little hesitant now because he wants to digest and hopes they don't appeal and so will Pollard be so unlikely they wouldn't appeal but he doesn't want to be fanning flames are giving anybody any wall if you haven't been on the podcast and been running your mouth we wouldn't have appeal so he's going to keep a low profile but I would say after the period for knows appeal expires that we can have him on the podcast and that's coming up real soon. Unknown 1:44:15 Okay, sounds good. It is like we're coming up on holiday season I have a lot of travel plans I have no idea what's going to happen with the next episode Unknown 1:44:24 so stay tuned may happen it may not I can't be so sure and Unknown 1:44:30 I think we should record another one right away before you travel Unknown 1:44:34 that is very very possible it is very possible but I will have gear with me We could record remotely I just don't know my schedule this gotta go visit the people that pay me haha well and I'm not referring to the Patreon people Unknown 1:44:50 and how do we how do we grow the podcast? All Yes, Unknown 1:44:54 absolutely be like William and go on to every article that you find out there the internet and reference back to this podcast and tell the people that they need to start listening to this Hey, I did start doing a I don't know if I should announce this to everybody. I did start doing a Google ads so as people are typing in keywords related to registry issues they should end up with a Google advertisement popping up in their face Unknown 1:45:15 all that's going to cause you to get shot Unknown 1:45:18 that's that is very possible we could end up with some enemies here on the podcast at some point in time Unknown 1:45:24 Yeah, but so here's what you do you go to the website which is registry matters dot CEO and Don't ask me why I didn't register. com but it is a dot CEO know at the end. It's just CEO and we always like to hear voicemail messages as you have figured out by now. I'm sure we will play them most of them anyway and try and keep them short. But the phone number for that is 747-227-4477. I don't answer that phone. Very often. It just goes straight to voicemail that's, you know, just record it there. It's great. If you want to shoot us an email message directly. You can do that at registry matters cat at gmail. com. And of course, we appreciate the supporters of the podcast. Thank you so very much. And it is very humbling and I'm privileged that we are able to receive those funds from people and that is patreon. com slash registry matters. If you'd like to join in, you could if you do get on to Patreon, then you'll automatically get on the discord server. But if you want shoot me a message and you could listen to the show recorded live or end or ask questions while we're covering which would also be kind of fun because then get a little outside influence and participation in asking Larry questions instead of me trying to go Unknown 1:46:37 we I don't know it's talking about man. Unknown 1:46:40 We're gonna actually we're going to have a guest one of our conservative leaning listeners send an email and we have reached out to him and we're going to have him in the coming weeks for sure. For one episode, and possibly more. We're gonna we're gonna try to put balance in this podcast. Unknown 1:46:57 Outstanding. Oh, wow. So it's going to be hannity and combs Unknown 1:47:01 led to the extent we can make it work. And I'm looking forward looking forward to try that because I love I love intellectual discussion with informed people and looking forward to having some some discussion with with the other side. Unknown 1:47:19 Well, I hope I I provide you with some level of intellectual conversation, Unknown 1:47:23 you do a deed and the, to me this is a positive experience because like just even we just help someone that was struggling. But understanding the difference between registration and supervision whatever are prominent leaders, not that many years ago had the same struggle and it's common for people to confuse the two were just the state controls your supervision your students that didn't post it and the state you're living in, controls your registration requirements unless they unless I decided to give that power to the to the state where you're convicted. But by large that doesn't happen that way. Unknown 1:48:00 Interesting. Unknown 1:48:02 Well, as always, Larry, I appreciate your time and insight and we will talk soon and I hope you have a great night. Unknown 1:48:08 Thanks Andy. Good night. Unknown 1:48:10 Bye.