Unknown 0:00 Recording live from FYI, p studios, east and west, transmitting across the internet. This is Episode 54 of registry matters. Well, good evening Larry on this odd Monday night How are you doing? Fantastic. had a great weekend worked hours and hours over the weekend working on did you did project can you dive old said project probably would not be good because it's dealing with personnel issues. Oh Oh. Unknown 0:31 Did you happen to see that big honkin storm that went across the United States over the weekend? I was aware of it vaguely. I did. I did hear that there was some massive flight cancellations, particularly Southern airports. That's where you don't expect that though. No kidding. I have a picture of the North Carolina State line sign as I was in I guess it would be Virginia and I sat on the interstate for three hours. It took me 17 hours to drive. Unknown 1:00 home yesterday should have taken me 11 or 12 hours. Good times. Really good times all Did you learn anything from the experience? I learned that I didn't have to change my shower head at the hotel. And why did you don't have to change it? Did you find the flow to be sufficient? It was very much the flow is sufficient. I didn't need a prostate exam I didn't have to worry about any of that with the flow was sufficient Unknown 1:24 but would you have been prepared had the flow not been sufficient? I would 100% not been prepared I was perfectly like hey if it comes up just as a little spit I guess I'm just gonna have a little spit coming up for a shower Well, let's see the listeners don't realize that you've had to compromise when you were in the United States Navy they're very the vessels are very restrictive in terms of water so I'm assuming that that and other experiences your life have have have adjusted your expectations in terms of water usage there there is one called prison that did a really good number Actually, I was never shipped so Unknown 2:00 The conversation waiting for the prison ones because I know that they have some massive restrictions, they try to keep the tears for being flooded and I try to keep consumption down and they have the buttons only last for like 60 seconds or 90 seconds. So I have rightly so then you steal a fork from the chow hall and you cram nothing in there. And then the water just stays on for ever I've heard of that. Yeah, there was a the one place whatever it was like it the way it was set up. There was one entrance to the side and then it was just, it was just an open shower. So if you were to go in there and you were in a first one, you've got someone walking up straight behind you, but you could end up like way there in the corner. So now this just turned into like a one person showers how the you know, the rules of the game had come up but there were four showerheads in there. Three or four shower heads in there. But and then the hot water one like while I get I mean the one there at the end had a ton of pressure and you just cram your fork in there and Unknown 3:00 just ran forever Unknown 3:02 orbiter facilities have it where you can cram it all you want to but it but it kicks out after a certain amount of time and the cramming doesn't by keep it on so it must have been an older version of a facility they don't have very the only new ones in Georgia are private facilities I'm going to assume you know the the geo in the what the heck's the other one a CCA, those are going to be the only new ones in the state thank the CCA is changed our name out like tick tick tick their core civic or something else but I like it yeah Unknown 3:36 well let's uh. Let's do something here and being December and the holiday season. Let's Let's thank our patrons and this is the Hall of Fame roster. So these are the people like for all of humanity have contributed to the podcast, helping to keep it going and we have Matthew and Dante and how and Laura Brian, Ellen Unknown 3:58 Alexa, just wanted to chime in Unknown 4:00 Speak to me to Laura and then Brian, Ellen, Christy, David. Tim, Christian gene Unknown 4:09 Jennifer, Suzanne, Mr. Anonymous. Michael, Hank Patty, Gerald, Dave Horace, Justin Unknown 4:19 at our all time Hall of Famer Unknown 4:23 and who was that well, you got to try to beat him if you want to. Good luck trying and that is Thomas and thank you all so very much. We really appreciate it. And especially time of the year it's that season of giving so very much appreciate it. Unknown 4:38 Oh, the Hall of Famer. Yep, I'd better try to beat that I've got I've got up my donation, okay. I mean, and the second place person is about four times lower than his for whatever that's for whatever that's worth whatever you want to do with that information there. Yeah, it's extremely gratifying that at times Unknown 5:00 would would support us at the level they do. And it's humbling. And we're just so thankful that people put a value of what we're doing. If it's $1 a month, or $5 a month, whatever it is, at least our effort is being recognized as having value. And that that's it's greatly appreciate it. kick it back, man. That's all you got to do. And we will love you forever. Unknown 5:24 I also want to tell you, and I don't know if this is the jerk contributor to it or not. But I started running Google ads and our downloads are up by like two fold for and the episodes only been out for a little bit less than a week. Actually, it released a little bit late because of my travels last week. But so I don't know we're getting about 100 more visits per day. So maybe, I don't know. Maybe that's what doing it. I'm excited about it. Nonetheless, I think it's probably Hank and his support groups. That's very possible. So hey, thank thank you, Hank. And also send me more pictures of blue balls doing Unknown 6:00 Interesting things. Actually, you know what I should have done while I was stuck in traffic yesterday, I should have had blue balls all over the snow and all that stuff that would have been. I mean, I was driving like 30 and 20 miles an hour on the interstate. It was ridiculous. Well, if you were in the Atlanta Metro, that's, you'd be very proud to be able to drive 20 or 30 millimeter States during God's true right. Been improve it. Unknown 6:23 That's true. That's true. Well, hey. So this first article comes from the Washington Post. And I wanted to put it in there because it's a I got to get your propeller hat on. But neuroscientist thinks one way to fight opioid addiction is to tackle loneliness. And I just think that this is tangentially related to us. And that Unknown 6:44 if you flip the logic around, the reason why people are on opioids is because of loneliness. So people on the registry are like forced into isolation. They're probably going to they're going to find a way to get an out whatever that is whether they choose Unknown 7:00 opioid whether they choose some other deviant behavior, whatever it just feels to me like the way that the registry is built with the restrictions, curfews and all that stuff with all those supervision and restrictions that it It forces you into isolation and you're going to go look for a way to to resolve that loneliness somehow, someway. Unknown 7:22 Well, I would say possibility but explain this to me. How is that that is we as we've evolved over the last 60 years if you look at the American family and how they would have lived in the 1950s and everybody had a front porch particular if you're in the southern half the United States you had a front porch there was extreme efforts to be social and family now we do everything a mental ones. Last time you seen a front porch, I think in a house built in last 30 years you'd be hard pressed to find one back porches of all but vanished Nobody. Nobody wants to have a direct contact everybody wants to text nobody wants to have a verbal conversation Unknown 7:59 with Unknown 8:00 Could it be that you're lonely because that's the Unknown 8:05 have we impose this loneliness or ourselves by deliberately choosing to avoid human contact? Is that a possibility? I definitely think that is a thing and also so but you know that people if they try and help the neighbor then they get involved and there's all that baggage of being involved with like hey look I'm gonna buy my house in suburban you know whatever and I don't even want to know my neighbors because they're all crazy and I don't want to get involved Unknown 8:32 right but but all the socialization skills I see have a road it was far as having conversations no one talks to anybody anymore I'm the Lone Ranger the lecture call people back from parcel I know that they should get mad hang up on me because of the way Unknown 8:48 but I will Unknown 8:51 you tell people they're stupid for the way they think they're they're not gonna like it. I'm just saying I don't do that. Unknown 8:59 I don't give them Unknown 9:00 Hope most cases of the situation there and I'll give an example a guy contacted us about he's a dual connected us so then he wants to I think we published this As matter of fact but he was to after serving his presence in Tennessee he wants to go back to Canada or a support structure is in Tennessee will let him go and he sent me his paperwork he felt pro se and I haven't had a chance to talk with him yet but I can tell you one of the biggest problems is HE DID IT pro say he did the best job of pro site person can do but it's not. Unknown 9:32 And so I have to be the bad guy I have to tell him. I can either do one or two things I can say you did a marvelous job putting this together and the system is corrupt and therefore there's there's nothing you could have done better. Or I can say you did a marvelous job putting this together. But the system really isn't very sympathetic to pro se litigants. And you don't have the access to the backside of this where you guys can go in and talk to the judge and try to explain the situation like your attorney could do it. Unknown 10:00 I'm in a conundrum because I can't help him if I don't tell him What's wrong and if I tell them what's wrong then he gets mad at me Unknown 10:07 what's wrong is that he he he's pro say that's the that mean that's not the only thing that's wrong but that's the biggest barrier towards moving his situation towards a more satisfactory outcome as he's not going to be able to do what needs to be done pro say I completely understand um well I have to be a bad guy How do I do that? How do I do that tell him that that your your your chances of success are extremely low. If you can take your own discourse you're on all the lines sympathize with the battle you're trying who in their right mind would want to be paying hotel rent and Tennessee whether have little connection and they have connection and there and there are they have family and they have dual citizenship in Canada. Of course, that would make the most sense. It would make the most sense and it would seem that the United States would be like good riddance. Don't come back. That would be my position. If I were in the Tennessee Department of Corrections, I would I would be Unknown 11:00 will be wanting to know but the problem is I don't know enough about international transfers have somewhat of an expert in domestic transfers but I don't know how we deal with offenders who need to be supervised out of the country and what that process would look like if there is one so I can't really advisable net but I can tell you one thing that if it was specifically clear in his plea agreement that he would be able to go to Canada he has a constable claim that the state is failing to perform their part if they are refusing to attempt to delay have go to Canada but but there's not much more I can do because he needs an attorney to work with this and I'm going to be the bad guy called me the next day or two and tell them you're probably not going to get a lot of traction until you get legal counsel of course the house no money cuz live in a hotel is catch 22 Unknown 11:44 and all that to come around that we were talking about loneliness and the breakdown. I don't know if you want to call it a breakdown just the Unknown 11:53 call I should call people Unknown 11:56 and I do that even even though after I interact with people. Unknown 12:00 Sometimes they're disappointed that after what I've told them but but yes we don't want interact when's the last time you've seen any 125 engage in a voice telephone call Unknown 12:10 I don't want to talk on the phone I'm not under 25 I don't want to talk on it either well that's my point so how can you How can you claim You're so lovely what you don't want to talk to the body yeah it's just different I don't know I totally understand your point but you don't have to talk on the phone to have interactions my point here is the that the registry really impose some heavy heavy isolation tactics on you it does it absolutely does something the people up in like the Gainesville area Hall County they have a five o'clock in the evening curfew like you like get off work at five o'clock and maybe you're allowed to go to the grocery store something just to get a little extra cushion in there but she gets some food and you come straight home now you just stuck sitting on the couch watching Big Bang Theory and cops i guess i mean like that's the Unknown 13:00 Like imposed isolation, so then you're going to turn to whatever vices you can come up with. That's true. We have that same situation here with with early curfews, I get progressive later his latest nine o'clock, but we have that same situation here. And people are very much isolated while they're under supervision, they have to get permission to have a romantic relationship here. It's ridiculous. Now they do they do here too, if they have a child under the age of 18. Well here else beyond that, you have to have permission to have a relationship of a romantic nature if you're on sex offender supervision. And so that's parole or probation. And your guys this is this is kind of short ish, not really know what's it is the longest like 20 years or something at what is the determinant, it's five to 20. That's right. That's right. And determinism and there's a kabuki a process that people go through to try to get off and and very few get off appropriate, particularly probation a lot more get off consistent. Unknown 14:00 Digital determination but yeah, it's a it's a very fluid process. We're trying to clean up in the legislature because there's not a lot of support for making it easier for sex offenders not to be under supervision it's just difficult when you go out seeking legislative support to for personal say, I got you on that what I'm going to go out and tell my constituents that I'm making that a priority to see if we can get sex offenders off supervision I think it should be easy right? You have to go to the go to a community event and and and when I take public comment, stand up and say that see how much how much applies you get? Unknown 14:34 Well here's an article from the Marshall project. That's a I'm not really sure what what we should do with this one overall, though, is if you have dysfunctional parents, should the kids be put some place else? So the title article is how incarcerated parents are losing their children forever. And you know, I guess there's a bazillion colors of gray in between on how quote unquote bad mom and dad are before Unknown 15:00 You should put the kids remove them from foster care and actually take away the kids take away Take away the parents rights to the kids. Unknown 15:09 there's a there's a lady profile who did some I guess it's FEMA fraud and did a couple stints in prison and she's just been like banished from ever seen her children again and I think it's kind of shitty but i i i think there's good intent in there I just I struggle with how do you actually say nope you made them but you can't have them anymore Unknown 15:34 who's the cooks it put this in here that I'll do that I'll put this one in I think I grabbed this one honestly. Oh okay because I was trying to remember if I was to cook did this now I think you only put in then one article. The well Unknown 15:49 having been having been in the foster care system for the better part of 10 years. I can say that it runs the gamut from good and bad parents. Unknown 16:00 That that take on foster children. Unknown 16:03 If you're incarcerated, obviously it's going to diminish your ability to take care of your children. Yeah, but Unknown 16:12 I don't think they allow I don't think they'll have children to stay with their parents and President so that would be pretty neat, wouldn't it? Mm hmm. Get the children wing over there something so those female preserves whose children are five times more likely than those of male inmates to end up in foster care how the rights taken away most often well that goes well saying of course you know if if the women are still the primary caregivers in society and they go to prison you're going to have you're going to have a lot fewer guys have taken over the slack where the vice versa when women when they're when the when the guy goes to prison women since they're traditionally more the caregiver not saying that's the way it should be. That's the way it is be understand that that it stands to reason Unknown 17:00 That they would be more but but what's what's the issue when they come out? When did they get to attempt to be reunited it says from 91 to 2007 the number of imprisoned parents has skyrocketed course so it's a prison population from 357,000 to 2.2 million hmm and Unknown 17:20 and then go down two paragraphs and read the Hillary Clinton one Unknown 17:25 Hillary Clinton's vocal support Congress passed adoption and say families that one yep yep yep. Which mandated federally funded state shall wear for programs began termination of parental rights in most cases in which children have been in foster care for 15 of the previous 22 months to measure support as hoped it would pave the way for adoption. Now see, I'm going to come down differently than most most most liberals on this having been in foster care writing been having been from a dysfunctional family myself. I tend to to lean in that direction because the younger the child is the more adoptable they are at a minute. Unknown 18:00 case they held out all this ridiculous hope that my family my parents were both going to magically become better parents and by the time they decided to Unknown 18:10 do the permanent termination of parental rights we were all too old I was like 12 between 12 and 13 was last time you say 12 or 13 year old get adopted right and i mean i don't want to make the crude crude similarity but at at the pound when you go adopt a pet like the cute little puppy always gets adopted but the 15 year old one that's got cancer and so that dogs never going to get adopted it's the same thing you want like the you want the new hotness as it was said in a movie not old and busted sorry Larry you were old and busted I was I made it over the hill foster children yeah yeah years old or considered to be the most critical attachment age of development which I agree with that sure so Unknown 18:53 so now now this is again man send me all the email so it's Larry at Unknown 18:59 this is Unknown 19:00 very much the same as the abortion debate, then what do you do with all the Unknown 19:04 I don't like access? No, that's not the right word. What do you do with all of the unplanned pregnancies that are coming out? It's the same argument on that side of it, too. And it feeds right into the into the foster care system? Unknown 19:17 Well, I would, I would, Unknown 19:19 I would tend to come down on on the if the person you have to take the totality of this sort of circumstances if they're if someone's being sent away for 22 life and the second be rolled his 20 and they've got a two year old Why do you need to try to figure out anything because that child is going to be an adult before that parent is the earliest eligibility date. So I would, I would come down and have an individual analysis of each of each sentence and how you would deal with termination of parental rights but I would like for children to be adopted, what they're adoptable It makes no sense to wait till their teenage and then say well, I guess we're going to have to take them out of foster care and see if they can be adopted. Well, then they're in long term foster Unknown 20:00 Careful until the until the age out and then the age out in a way that is very supportive, because very few parents just cut their kids off. But in the foster care system, that's exactly what happens when Brett would you reach age 18, the check that goes to that foster family ends and it would be the rarest of foster parents and say, Well, you know, I've kind of gotten attached to this kid. So I'm going to keep supporting them and taking care of them and helping them transition to adulthood. They don't do that. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. There's got to be one out there somewhere where it does happen. But in most instances, you're told to pack it up. And that's a very abrasive move from being being at home to be being totally independent. And there's no transition those those things are not healthy for us as a society. And I know I'm one of those sitting sitting here saying that maybe we need to have more governmental transition assistance for people have been a long term foster care because in a normal family, they would have that transition assistance. Very few parents that I know of, and I'm 60 years old now. I don't know many parents when they reach 18th birthday. Unknown 21:00 They come home. They find their suitcases outside. When you turn David, you find your suitcase outside. No, I sure didn't. Unknown 21:08 Well, let me add this in Laura. Laura is listening to us record this over and on the discord live stream. And she says that she knows that if a mom has a kid in prison, that they'll let them stay with mom for 12 months. But that's a federal I'm pretty sure states don't do them. Unknown 21:26 Let them stay with mom. You mean and the prison? Yeah, yeah, that's what she says. newborns can sterile mom and prison for 12 months. She says she thinks Oh, if there are born in prison, yes. If they give birth in prison, okay, but I'm not allowed to take your kid with you to present. No, no, I didn't mean it. That way. I can just see your like 16 year old you're like getting interest to go to school and whatnot. Bring them through the channel to make sure they have a nice square meal on their way to school Unknown 21:52 school bus picking up the kids at the sally port. That's awesome. Unknown 21:57 Well, that'd be fantastic. Unknown 22:01 Um and then the next article that we have is from law.com and it's down there below the show notes lets us from California and New Jersey bail reform legislation we have covered this I guess this was maybe six ish months ago but we've covered bail a bunch of times but about eliminating cash bail and I was reading through this and there's some things in there that are kind of interesting that instead of so I get you know you get locked up and you can post bail and maybe you're out in six or 12 hours and but I guess in New Jersey like you're going to stick around for three days regardless so you could be millionaire and you have the funds and could be out instantaneously but or you could be Mr. Broke person and hey, you're both going to stick around for three days. A particular quote that I pulled out of it though said I'm actually I guess I didn't move this comment around. But the Albert Hirsch a California Public Defender Unknown 23:00 says I predict that many judges as well as prosecutors will formulate new methods to keep defendants in custody. Unknown 23:06 So that's good times. No, I know. Right. Right. Well, Unknown 23:11 I I have mixed emotions on this one as well. I don't magically think that if a person has money that that somehow another that they are going to be less likely to commit a crime, right, Unknown 23:26 in and of itself, because most of the time, the money it's posted as someone else's, you know, you make the phone call, you're calling him, Dad, you're calling up somebody and saying, well, you come down and bailed me out. You're not. Yeah, I mean, that's fair. that's legit by somebody mortgaging their house, whatever. Right. Right. Right. Unknown 23:42 So so there is money at stake, but it often isn't yours. If it were your money at stake and the fact that you were going to lose that money if they revoked your bail because you've violated conditions of release. I would say that that that would be a powerful incentive, but I'm not Unknown 24:00 Convinced on how much of an incentive that is. So I do see the disparate disparity to exist. If a person has the ability to raise a 10,000, 20,000, $50,000 Unknown 24:10 bail, they're out at the person who has the exact same offense, assuming that there was no difference in the they drove to the local Kroger store. They took their car and they ran it through the plate glass window what like happened next door here a few days ago, and they had the same criminal history points Unknown 24:29 that the person who couldn't raise $20,000 has to sit in jail is enormous disadvantage. I get all that. But problem. The problem that goes with all this is that in order to be so called fair is they have to put these people through a bureaucracy through some sort of examination to do the scoring and evaluations and depending on where they score and points Didn't they have to go see a judicial official before they can be released under what Unknown 24:57 non monetary conditions that can be released, which usually means Unknown 25:00 Something is very costly that have to pay for there's problems with it. It's not a perfect solution. Does it get us to a warfare system? Possibly. But it's not the cure all end all with with with bail. There are people who will be losers in this and that's what you just described the person who is ready to make bail has a job to go to and they can't make bail because they have to say jail for three days and the jobs as well we consider you abandon your job or the third day so you're out of here. Right. Right. Right. And you know if you grew up in Brookville, having a you know $250 Bond could be too much. If you grow up in super duper rich neighborhood, then $2 million might not be enough. I think that's why we have judges isn't it so they could make like individualized determinations of things well that is that is but but they what happened is that bail schedules to kept came into existence without any consideration for the ability to pay there were judges here for example, that would look at the maximum Unknown 26:00 Find that that could be imposed. And they'd say, Okay, you got 343 felonies as $1,000 maximum. Fine. So you're Bella's as as as this about what kind of individual determination is that? Right? Right. But but it takes time to do individual analysis of what what is the proper conditions to release people under and what will be enough to secure their participation so that they have an incentive to show up and participate. And to refrain from criminality. You have to build some kind of structure person is repetitively with domestic violence and can't stay away from someone they're obsessed with and they're stalking, you would probably have to build more conditions of restraint around that person, even if they could post a significant bond because they're likely to go out and intimidate and harass the witness to try to kill the proceeding which is not fair and in that setting to the state. If, if the if the witness intimidation takes place that the state doesn't get a fair shot to put on its case to show that the person did Unknown 27:00 The violence yeah and so it doesn't really matter how much money is involved you know I guess that's that happens with like mob and cartels and wasn't Manafort allegedly tampering with witnesses while he was locked up was oh no wait no that's why he ended up getting his bail Unknown 27:18 now he got he that's how he got he got lot and so you notice I've realized that unlike the victims advocates I'm sitting here on this podcast saying the state is supposed to have be treated fairly also and sure let me know what you heard the victims advocate say that that suppose right of course the the people is who actually brings the charges when people are fed they're not offending against the victim the victim ism your witness the crime is the people and with you the people the people collectively decided to bounce have an orderly Society of what we want and and what we will accept and behavior when there's an infraction it that's a crime against the people Unknown 27:56 and the people deserve to have a fair day in court. Unknown 28:00 When there's an allegation made, but the accused also deserves a fair day court and due process that works for them. I will advocate for both the police officer that's accused of misconduct deserves the presumption of innocence and a robust defense. Just like the cues that the police bring into custody. The only difference is you won't ever hear the police say that with a few someone they do their purple off they will never walk up to that microphone and say these are your alligator Gazans. There's another side that you haven't heard yet. And we would ask you to keep an open mind until that process is complete. Where you hear a police official do that say that you let me know and I want to put that on this podcast. Ya know, I'm totally with you on that one. I you know, I'm a I'm a fan of the science II things and a bunch of allegations came out in the last week about Neil de gras Tyson there these allegations that he's done the things and I'm like, Why doesn't he get a fair shake? He's just going to be accused and tried and convicted in public opinion and Unknown 29:00 Now you take down one of the best science communicators of our time Unknown 29:05 and he he doesn't get his fair shake. I'm man I'm with you. And but it but i think it's it's a really subtle piece of the puzzle but it says the people, the state or whatever against the person it's you know, it's not the victim against the the the accused it's the state against the accused and and I'm still trying to come up with the right dialogue to describe but the witness is I mean the victim is just just a cog in the wheel like like the knife is a piece of evidence the victim is the alleged victim your accuser is been just like the knife just a piece of the of the machinery that's not what the victims advocates tell you but that is correct that the victim of a crime as a witness against the individual and all day special arrangements we've made that have put them in a category that's not where that's not where the system was designed by the Federal Unknown 30:00 Fathers it was we've talked about that before. This is supposed to be difficult to convict people. The government has enormous disproportionate resources against the average citizen. What you're going to put someone in a cage. It is supposed to be hard, right? Unknown 30:16 I don't know what's so hard about that for to be understood. It is supposed to be difficult when you're trying to cage like an animal because someone wouldn't accuse someone else or doing something heinous. Unless they had done the heinous thing Unknown 30:27 Alrighty, Unknown 30:31 I mean, no, I don't believe but I mean, it's like you just you just feel like wow, I really feel for the victim Unknown 30:37 have some sort of ideal for them. Yeah, it's unfortunate that that they're being people out there who do ugly things on but but the reality is it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and through a fair process. And if we can't do that, that person gets to walk away because they get to walk away to we do a good job putting on a case against them. Yep. Unknown 31:00 Yep, yep. Yep. Unknown 31:02 So this article comes from the hill, and Trump tells McConnell to let's set it vote on criminal justice reform. Oh, when I was just on my little rant about how much news and Unknown 31:13 there's just constant what's the word I'm looking for? There's just this is being talked about constantly. And you've got to you got turtle head, Mitch McConnell holding this thing up. And Tom Cotton who is like throwing in, I guess we'll call it a nuclear option, because the sex offenders might get out of prison like 50 with sex offenders might get out of prison earlier than expected. So these two guys are holding it up and everyone else is trying to push this through. And it's a kind of modest version of a criminal justice reform bill. Unknown 31:45 That's what I've read Bala counts and it's very modest. And I think President Trump realizes that it's going to be more difficult to get the more liberal house to go along with such a modest version, and it's going to be more difficult to get a more conservative Senate to go along. Unknown 32:00 Well, the more robust version of reform, so so Trump realizes that if he doesn't get this through this year, it may not get through during his first term. Unknown 32:09 Yeah. So okay, so then both sides are going to pull it further towards their side of it. So the left is going to pull it harder to the left, and then the rights going to pull it harder to the right. And then there's no chance of anything, I'm going to use the word and you're going to you're going to scold me for bipartisan agreement. Unknown 32:25 Well, that's what this is right now. But you've got a house right now until until December 31, it's under a republican control. Unknown 32:34 That's a 40 seat shift in January when this where the new health and the people who won those democratic races are much more progressive than traditional democrat and they're going to look at this bill and say, why bother it does a little Why bother now I would take what I can get because I'm I'm a realist, and I take what I can get it so if I could get this through. I would take it as a beginning, but it's going to be more different. Unknown 33:00 called because if they push for where they want to be which is real reform then the more conservative senate which has two more republicans is going to be harder to get them to go along with what comes out of the house so it's gonna be difficult to bridge and have a bipartisan compromise bipartisanship has happened on this and that's what's frustrating the President was frustrating the senator like we had played the clip twice now from from South Carolina we've we've we've played him say they're they're frustrated about this bipartisanship has in fact happened but they can't get to the finish line because the parliamentary maneuvering but bipartisanship is not always a good thing if that's where you're headed with this bipartisanship The main thing Unknown 33:45 that we can you can you can you backtrack just for a second parliamentary maneuvering there's rules in the Senate that allow things and I bought an expert on bills and senate but the Senate is allowed it's designed to be slow and methodical and to give an enormous amount of Unknown 34:00 power to each one of the 100 and and the those those levers are not available in the House of Representatives. But the Senate is designed like for example the US to have those sheets that if a federal judge was appointed and the senator that state didn't sign what those blue sheets or whatever they call them green sheets the same kind of does not many along they didn't do that. Well in terms of the parliamentary debate the the that ultimately Mitch can end it by simply breaking the filibuster because a filibuster only take 60 votes. And according to Senator Graham from South Carolina they have at would have at votes so they could break the filibuster at which was done through what's called a culture of them. They'd be they could vote closure and put this thing to a vote, but I guess they're entitled to a certain number of hours of filibuster before they can do closure. And, and McConnell doesn't want to devour a lot of time on this. And and so he's pushing back and saying I'm trapped because these holdouts as I said previously, and this article goes Unknown 35:00 Read the article and see who the holdouts or the continent's one or several other they're all republicans contact them if you live in their states particularly if you don't live in their states tell them it's good for the country contact these people I have a hard time my senators are both on the right side from my state at I can't contact anybody but I guess I could do the same thing I could call Cotton's office. But but you know that the obstruction is coming from the conservatives, not the liberals and since we have a lot of conservative listeners, I would encourage them to try to get their colleagues on board. Right, right. Right. Right. Unknown 35:35 And maybe they don't want it maybe they don't want this maybe they want the the leaner version the one that does less well it is go to heart kind of hard to get much less because it's already been trimmed down from what the description is this is this is very much a compromise already right right. Unknown 35:54 No, you just you just use that term parliamentary maneuvering, but maybe you don't know what so much of the Federal Unknown 36:00 level I realized you know you work a lot of the state level but I mean the same thing exists at the state level it's just you know color differently or something right Unknown 36:09 it's it it all legislative process is there there there is there decide not to have mob rule there there's checks and balances and they're designed for for slowing things down if we just had a majority vote on everything that we would we would have a government that nobody be happy up because emotions would drive the day so their processes deliberately in place to keep things from going too fast when it when it's responding to send it is supposed to be the most deliberative body of all of all of our branches all of our institutions and government at one time we didn't even directly elect senators because they're supposed to be so insulated from from from the mob Unknown 36:46 but but but Unknown 36:49 I can't explain all the procedures that the Center for cotton or any any hold at what has available to them but I know that there are things that they can do parliamentary wise to obstruct and say they're on a Unknown 37:00 countdown clock they've got to raise the debt they've got to enact more spending bills because we're running on a continuing resolution again which I second or third time the fiscal year store October 1 and their friends always criticize the democrats for not being able to pass a budget well with their office they have the same difficulty trying to connect the budget before the fiscal year starts so they've got a lot of work to do and and allowing the days to be Unknown 37:25 exhausted through laborious debate about something it's just not something that's very appealing to the to the majority leader and I can understand where it's coming from he's trying to get the fares I have to be done done before the end of the year at Unknown 37:39 Christmas coming up they only have what 10 days left maybe what they can come back after Christmas but who wants to of course of course so uh huh but yeah so there's that I'm I'm commanding the president for for for for for for doing what he was urged to do buses or Grammys is calling for a vote. That's all he can do. He's not Unknown 38:00 addict he's he's asked for and he's been public about it so there's really not that much more he could do before I forget to vote we get to vote if we don't we don't I mean I actually just like last last my senses for a second I went unconscious Did you just say you're commending the president of this issue for calling for he did what Senator Graham asked him to do two weeks ago and meet the press he's he said he would like to see as voted on he's he's expanded a small amount of political capital to try to get it done and that's a good thing you're not in the category of never finding anything good it's hard to find anything I agree with but I agree with this and what I agree with them I give credit Unknown 38:41 I agree with this I agree with them on the secretary of education so rewriting of the of how they handle campus sexual investigations Unknown 38:50 so I don't even know how to set this one up, to be honest with you. And so we're just going to kind of kind of wing it and see where it goes. But Florida senate presidents new job Unknown 39:00 private prison operator doesn't surprise advocates is that of the Tampa Bay, I guess the Tampa Bay Times and you got a guy that was sitting on the senate and he is now a very high ranking person with the GEO Group, one of the private prison groups. And there were a bunch of bills that we're going through while he was in office. And he was extending extra funds down the path for these private prisons and hey, we just gave a big budget increase to the to the prison system you know, to give pay raises the next go around, he makes sure that they get some extra money down their past so they can pay their officers better to and now he's sitting there the outgoing one, so I guess we can kind of go from here on how much he's getting paid. He's replacing a guy named john bolton who earned $514,000 last year and is getting 1.7 million retirement bonus. So here he's going from the Florida State Senate into something on the order of a half million dollar a year job. Unknown 40:00 Well well the new income when Senate Republicans Stewart became center present 2016 the company Unknown 40:09 gave him to his political action could be $270,000 when his wife ran for congress they sell out those shelled out the geo we're talking about shelled out another hundred thousand dollars to her losing cause so I threw this in here just kind of to let people know that that these these huge donations are coming in from these from these prison operators and when President Trump l like that he promised that he would he would reverse the trend on the privatization that Obama administration had done at the federal level and this is just an example of Unknown 40:44 why that's not good public policy. Not that not that I'm just looking to single out Trump for something but if you if you're ready to award big federal contracts in this case we're talking about the state of Florida but if you're ready to award big federal contracts to Unknown 41:00 These private operators that's going to cause a lot of campaign cash flow your way and we don't necessarily get the best public policy when people are donating Unknown 41:11 to when companies are donating to have a direct benefit from what's happening here. And this is Florida's got a privatized more and more of its prisons because there are big believer and privatization in Florida they they believed that the private sector can do everything better so they're going to have more and more private presence and let me let me float my own personal observation on this subject. Unknown 41:34 It does seem like I would agree with the concept that private can do something more efficient because they have an economic incentive to try and cut waste and so forth Unknown 41:45 on this subject, and possibly this subject alone. I do not think that that is the best way to handle it because you're talking about human beings and if you try to make it quote unquote more efficient than Well, let's see what's the most expensive Unknown 42:00 thing probably medical expenses food would be another one. So you're going to have to like skimp on those things. Not to be wasteful on the other side of it, but you have to you have to squeeze it so now people get a little bit less food maybe you cut back maybe this person and maybe they're not quite so as diabetic as we thought they were. Few start cutting back on the different medicines and these are human beings, you you understand the prison just a little bit you may be pulled 10% down fewer officers now there's less yard call, there's less prison programs available to them to try and get them to not come back. Just I just think that this feels backwards to me. Unknown 42:39 Now you're not sitting here on this podcast today tell me that that a private company would have any desire to do anything that's not in the interest of a prisoner or the prisoners that they would see profits that's more important. I cannot believe that you would suggest something I'm very disappointed in you I deeply deeply Unknown 43:00 Apologize. Facebook is has a fiduciary responsibility to their stockholders, not the users of Facebook, Google, the same every private company. That is who their loyalty is to is the stockholders. I mean, that's like that's in like, like the architecture of what a corporation is, is that they are beholding to returning profits to the shareholders. Unknown 43:21 I'm actually being facetious, but I know, I totally know. You know, I'm playing along with it. I'm just I know, Unknown 43:27 I totally understand that. I just, I'm just like, Unknown 43:30 I don't know if I could even like extend this argument out to anything else. Garbage Disposal? Sure. Let a private company come pick up the garbage from your street. I just don't like I mean, maybe if you based the private prison system on a recidivism rate, like Hey, what is your recidivism rate Oh, hey, you have a better recidivism rate being lower you have better outcomes of it Yeah, you get the contract I mean that's how we award generally award contracts to like government contractors like defense contractors who Unknown 44:00 can do the best I mean we don't want our soldiers going to combat with faulty weapons right Unknown 44:06 and i agree i want to correct how I set this up he's the outgoing yes yes so I bet think I may have misspoke but he's the outgoing president of the Florida senate No you didn't I don't think you did okay well I don't want people to say well hey just pick it on but he he did he's got a good job in the company given him $270,000 this political action committee which he doled out and Unknown 44:32 and last year the senate cloud insert an extra 3 million at Adobe contract the GEO Group Do you see the connection there people always say that old adage follow the money absolutely yeah that's what that's what a will in Tennessee that's what he keeps bringing up Unknown 44:47 well but but time will say we've been disappointed with our private president operations here we've we've come to realize that it was not wise public policy to give that Unknown 45:00 I think we need for 44% of our beds were under project manager okay and if I'm not mistaken both of those companies are billion dollar per year industries that multi billions and that comes right off the backs of taxpayers it's Unknown 45:16 those are the same people who will tell you that they did it all themselves that the government has never done anything for them they will take great pride and say I did this all myself absolutely remember the name big cheney I think I've heard of them. Didn't he shoot somebody Unknown 45:34 sorry. That's probably a bad joke. So but yes, when he became vice president just reminder but he headed the search committee and he was able to find himself after every nationwide search looking for vice presidential candidates when they want 2000 election after the Supreme Court stopped counting. He he proudly proclaimed he did it all himself and he was working for the big oil company that does exploration. Unknown 46:00 They break at me at the moment but he said that he did it all himself of they had just got through extending extinguishing all those fires in Kuwait at all the billions of dollars at that were paid through government contracts and always wonder when these people say they do all themselves what mirror they're looking in because oftentimes a little bit closer scrutiny, they realized that they did do it all themselves Unknown 46:24 ready to be a part of registry matters. Get links at registry matters.ca. 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Unknown 47:08 Alright this one I found on Twitter just actually just before we started recording and it's from Fox 61 and state Sentencing Commission considers controversial changes to sex offender laws and beautifully I split this up into three different audio clips for us to have a little conversation about and here we go Unknown 47:30 Sentencing Commission held a public hearing on potential legislative reforms the recommendations that they are considering come after a two year study. Unknown 47:40 Connecticut sex offender laws may change with this topic. You're guilty once you're accused right let's not kid ourselves right there fair. Your day. Fair day in court is not existed. Joseph to brow. The president of the Center for rational Justice Studies told Unknown 47:57 he wants to see the state Sex Offender Registry Unknown 48:00 Report include medical professionals. When you use the same people that made the laws prosecuted, the individuals incarcerated them, supervised them invest the definition of tiring. The Sentencing Commission recommends the state moved from a conviction based offender registry join that focuses on how likely the person is to reinvent. Connecticut is one of the only states that doesn't allow people to appeal to be removed from the registry, which can lead to trouble getting a job or housing. A lot of subsidized housing prevents people who are on lifetime sex offender registry is from accessing those housing resources. Unknown 48:37 I think there's a two or three things that we could cover there. Did anything jump out at you as something you want to tackle right off the bat? Well, I'm not sure I agree that that was one of the few states that don't allow removal process but I don't have the data in front of me, but I believe it's much more common than the reporter Unknown 48:56 that was one of the first things I was I was hoping you would address was is that even an Unknown 49:00 A factual statement I don't believe it to be factual I believe that there are some states that have processes that are very flawed and very few get removed in California will sit and join that that group when they have their solid process to take passed into law as they could takes effect in 2019 very few will get off but but I think it's very common that where you have for for there's no other states where you just simply time out and you know you don't have a process but the process is there that when you reach 10 years you exit or when you reach whatever number of years you accept sure sure unlike you know something like Florida where you're just there beyond life Unknown 49:38 so well that they don't require you to report anymore after you're dead Unknown 49:42 what we had to get credit for that right there there there are no prosecutions for failure report after death Unknown 49:52 I get I guess that's one way to look at it from a positive spin. Um. We have talked about the the Unknown 50:00 I guess that's risk based assessment. Is that the right way to word what they're moving to? That sounds like for the that where they're trying to go, whether the succeed or not, no one knows. And you've you've you've brought up that that's not necessarily the panacea. That's not always the best way to go about this. It, it's, it's desirable. If it's done correctly, the problem is doing it correctly. It's very expensive, and nobody wants to do it correctly. We could, we could probably invite the people from Oregon and to talk about that because a risk assessment system is very expensive, because, first of all, you've got to do the risk assessment. And psychosexual evaluations are very expensive brand, right? Well, if you do them at the private sector, or you could create a government bureaucracy that would do though somebody has to do do a risk assessment. So in Oregon, they decide to do static 99, which everybody recognizes has significant flaws and scoring of us the instrumentation they use instead of 99, but once you get past the assessment Unknown 51:00 It would be kind of ridiculous to believe that everybody's going to be happy with what they get what level they place them? I mean, Unknown 51:07 it would it would be foolhardy to like, you're going to be happy with what they come up with. Some people may be happy, some people are not gonna be happy, then the question becomes, what do we do with the people who are not happy with what they came up? Right? Is there is right, is there an appeal process? And how would you go about that? Right, right. And that's where it gets very, very expensive. So So you've got the cost of risk assessment. Are you going to put that on the back of the offender? Well, the fenders oftentimes can't afford to pay to correct or dollars are you gonna Are you going to create a government bureaucracy to pay for that and if so, how you going to compete with other people who are demanding funding for other things that are far more important so you're all sudden an official with a lot of people feeding at the trough of the government to hate trying to get funding and and you're probably the least popular category of wanted to create a new agency that staffed with what was evaluators at what support staff to go out and take up the document because Unknown 52:00 If you're in Arkansas, you got convicted in Oregon, they've got to get documentation together properly evaluate you. So that that's that's a cost that no one wants to talk about it. Then if you don't like what they came up with, what do you do in terms of an appeal? Do you have an Office of Administrative Appeals, like if a social security disability is claimed, business denied? there's a there's a there's there's multiple appeals. But first, you start out with a reconsideration within the agency, and the agency theoretically sends it to a different disabilities termination team to look at it again. Well, if you send it to a different team to look at the valuation, again, that's going to cause somebody then if they come up with the same determination and you want to appeal that what happens next? Do you go to an administrative law judge or do you put throw this thing into a civil court system? If you go to administrative law judge Where do they come from? They have to have a salary they have to have support staff right these cases to be heard it goes Unknown 53:00 Deal with how complicated this right? Does any of this enter into having anything sound like double jeopardy? No, not at all. There's the evaluation for, for for for registration and terms of what level of risk they want to place upon you assuming that registration is constitutional, but there's no Unknown 53:23 about the risk assessment. But I'm dealing entirely with the cost. When people say you save a whole bunch of money, no, you would not save a whole bunch of money he was a bunch of body is what you would do. And that's why it's difficult to get support for this. And then the money that you would save is often negligible compared to what it would be costing because as I was going through that I had got to the point if you have the administrative appeal, you would you personally wouldn't have some representation if they're injured or we're going to have to see fun to pay for their attorney or we got to Unknown 54:00 Hey, for a second evaluation for to try to rebut the state's evaluation. Unknown 54:05 Where's the funds going to come from that? And and if you elected administrative law judge, are they going to be going into court at some point, but you can't. With social security, you can file a claim and the United States District Court you can you can sue the the government I forget who your name is a defendant, I believe it would be the Secretary of Health and Human Services over is over Social Security. But But you could find it all this stuff costs money and there is very little political support for doing it that way. So you end up like an Oregon with a static 99 is what they're starting out with us the risk assessment tool that will benefit some people it will harm others it's I know by no means perfect. And then I don't even understand what they're going to do in terms of appellate review if you don't like that because I think they're just cranking it up this coming year. But all these things are complicated and the money you save would be from but it doesn't usually come from the state budget to begin with, because most states operators harbor Unknown 55:00 bottle or the counties and localities are the the actual funders for registering you go into your sheriff's office and other than the state of Maryland who pays a registrar like $250 a year for the duties as far as I know, the counties pick that up. And there's only a handful of states where they do it at the federal at the federal level at the state level, like they were in Virginia and like to go in Pennsylvania, but usually it's it's offloaded to the counties. So since that money is not coming from the state, it's not going to be saved because the state is a pagan to start with. Right, right. And it's just kind of masked inside of those little county budgets corrected the sheriff is not going to speak against tracking sex offenders most of the time they're elected I have not lived in a state where the shares were elected and very few sheriff's are going to gotten so I'll tell you one thing if you're like me, sure if I'm gonna do my best I'm gonna go the capital and see if we can get rid of the stupid registration. I have to track these people and I'd rather be doing other things would you find a sheriff that says that you let me know. Unknown 56:00 What put them on the podcast? Maybe we should go immediately to Bucks County where they wanted to put the the science on people's lawns on Halloween even though they weren't gonna be home we don't say those are probably the first examples we could use Unknown 56:13 so so yes there are many problems was risk assessment but in a perfect world or there was ample funding for all the moving parts I would generally support it but we're not in a perfect world there's not gonna be adequate funding for all the moving parts and I'm fearful of of it being done in a way that harms for people that helps Unknown 56:36 the only other thing was the individual I don't recall his name at the very beginning of the clip and he said well you know if you're accused of one of these things you're pretty much guilty right off the bat right those are the only other point from the individual Unknown 56:50 I like what did he say Tyra needed he'd been tearing oh he did he yeah he said he said tire any when you have the the people that are sentencing you convicting you and then supervisor Unknown 57:00 You have exactly what that is, is tyranny but yeah he did I think he he's in Connecticut You can't expect them to talk right that's right they talk funny up there Unknown 57:10 like they're the ones they're ones that go hang out on the harbor the yeah they might do that alright here's clipped to also under consideration a controversial change to child porn statute that would allow leniency in cases of non dangerous or autistic people whose child pornography is not a victim was hard it is harmful to each and every child Unknown 57:33 and that the way that that blended together didn't necessarily come across, right. So that was a person opposed to the notion of having reduced sentencing for autistic or just someone that happens. You know, 80 year old grandpa accidentally clicks on some images that are under age kids. Unknown 57:53 Oh, there's a lot of debate about child porn and it's treated very harshly very, very harshly. Unknown 58:00 I'm not going to sit here and get a flood of emails saying that that we should turn a blind eye but it it it's it's far greater than the damage that's done to the person who engaged in that for versus the other way around the the i'm not i'm not saying you should be looking at child porn but putting someone in prison for 120 years at Iowa sentence is this these are not imaginary sentences they had more that could they could treat each image as account and they'll stacks 8090 years at the people we're never going to be released really Is that how you want to spend your money that you claim your soul short of and you hate taxes so much do you actually want to lock people up through the most expensive part of their life because as they get older, they cost more and more is that the best use of your buddies you can think of Unknown 58:53 gotta love it. That's the system we've built. All right. And here's the final clip. This one's about a minute long Unknown 58:58 so the third clip was going Unknown 59:00 Say the commission is also considering allowing felons on parole or suspects waiting for their day in court to still be allowed to vote. If you want to have some level or normalization of post incarceration, then we should look at restoring voting rights while on parole said Department of Corrections Commissioner Scott simple. I think that's a pretty stellar statement right there, though Unknown 59:22 I do as well. I don't I don't understand our fear of having people vote that I mean, there there are people have fear of voting reasons out of the one go into podcasts, but merely having made a transgression Do you think Martha Stewart should be disallowed from voting? I mean I don't know absolutely depending on which should be forced to stay at spend life in prison and bake cookies the but do you think that after you've made a transgression in life that you should not be ever reintegrated fully into society? And and that's one of the things that makes a person whole when they can go out and say I did wrong now a taxpayer and I'm taking part I'm voting for people in the school board. I'm watching. Unknown 1:00:00 These elections I'm trying to be a full citizen, and I just don't understand the desire to disenfranchise people for forever and ever because of the mistake they made. And what the the Boston Tea Party was about was taxation without representation I think that had something to do with I heard I've heard that I've heard that said before Come on man you were there Well, it was actually the year I was born alright and the final little quote quote out of the article is there's a proposal to erase police and court records after a certain time period if a case gets dismissed or a person has found not guilty and there's a proposal not to let time behind bars factor into the 15 month window where parents legal right to their child can be terminated. That's something that we covered just a little bit while earlier tonight. Well, I like the the ratio of records as something and we're going to have to come to grips with and our Western societies European Europeans have already begun to address this is the right to be forgotten. Unknown 1:01:00 Because as we said, through going back 30 podcasts when when, when we committed a crime 25 years ago, it stayed in that local jurisdiction. And there was no enter linking. But now with the modern sharing files, everything's digitized. And everything follows you, wherever you are. You can't move from Georgia to Washington and get a new start. Because it remembers you when you're in Washington. And what does that my life.com you can you can go to, and you can find out what people's reputation score is, and they get, they charge you a bunch of money if you want it suppressed, if you don't want the right was all that stuff is available. And Unknown 1:01:36 so we're going to have to come to grips with that. The other part of that that was the business community will fight back with tooth and nail. That's going to be a tough one, too, because they argue that we need that information to make sound employment decisions, and we're liable for bad hires, and you can't withdraw the information from us and then hold us live when they have somewhat of a valid point there that if we're going to be be a response Unknown 1:02:00 For negligent hires, we have to have information. So at some point, we have to balance those that make sure that if we're going to take the information away from them, that they're also were removed the liability that might might they might have from negative higher if I'm running an apartment community and hire someone who's the Spider Man breaking into apartments. And he did it 20 years ago. And that was beyond the scope of what I'd be able to see them if I can't see it. I wouldn't know that that this spider man had those tendencies and so I can't be held liable. So they do have a valid point in terms of their liabilities, but they're going to push back tooth and nail Unknown 1:02:34 and I had similar thoughts about this cc you brought up that I was in the Navy, but I was also in the army. I was a very confused person. And I work at saying Unknown 1:02:45 no doubt it hasn't changed much either. And I worked in the orderly room and when I was over in Korea, I had to produce like a monthly report to say how many people have received awards and this was to make sure that the unit was distributing awards. Unknown 1:03:00 equally across various races. And I thought that it was really interesting if you know you're being watched, you're going to then do what would be like affirmative action kind of things. Oh, well maybe this guy really, really did deserve it, but he's of the wrong persuasion. So we're gonna have to give to this person who's of a minority, and maybe they kind of deserved it, but not as much. But we have to do this because we needed to look like we're balanced. On the flip side of that as if we're like a double blind study for it to be honest and accurate. The people can't know that it's happening and this is the same thing here that you would kind of like completely lost my whole train of thought it just went out the window. I don't remember what we were talking about what happened last your mind Andy? I know I know. Unknown 1:03:49 Um, but I hope I hope about forgetting if you want people to be treated equally, then the people couldn't know about the history. Unknown 1:04:00 So that they get a fair shake but at the same time you you need to make an educated decision. That's what that was all about. Unknown 1:04:07 Well, I'm glad that you had a senior ball but and you recover from it I maybe maybe I don't think my whole point got across I think I lost it somewhere in midstream hey let's talk about senator orrin hatch does he bring in soft Unknown 1:04:21 snowballs into the Senate chamber again haven't heard that Do you know that Unknown 1:04:27 I don't recollect that but he did bring a child porn Victim Assistance bill they got signed into law by the President oh this president the current one yes all right tell us about the spin and I haven't reviewed it ready to know but what I can tell you is that what I say about international Megan's Law the the Adam Walsh Act in 2006 the Jacob Wetterling ag. Megan Megan saw if you don't stop just stuff from getting to the President's desk. They will sign them there regardless of whether they're democratic or a Unknown 1:05:00 publican this bill apparently requires mandatory restitution for these possession cases. And the senator addressed legislation alongside senators Dianne Feinstein got a lot of that bipartisan support that you so proud of a big club ajar democrat chuck grassley, Republican john Cornyn, Republican and pat to me, Republic of the they recognize a unique kind of harm, Unknown 1:05:25 but by by people who view this to the victims and the judges in the federal system will have to order mandatory restitution on top of all the other stuff you have to deal with already. It received unanimous support, like these types of bills are destined to and when it got to the President's desk. He wouldn't have known there was any problem with it. He would have been told Well, it passed with unanimous bipartisan support. And President Trump just like President Obama is not going to go into the dark bowels of the basement of the White House and say, Well, I don't pass a bipartisan support. Unknown 1:06:00 There's gotta be something that's being overlooked here. And I'm going to find out what it is. Therefore, he signed it. That's what happened with Megan's Law. That's what happened with Jacob Wetterling. That's what happened with a double check after Senator Kennedy. The late Senator Kennedy, not the one that's still alive today. But the late Senator Edward Kennedy stopped his filibuster that bill was passed your your nearly unanimously signed by President Bush. If you don't want these things to be signed into law, you've got to stop them from getting to the President's desk because they're going to be signed otherwise. And that's where like the parliamentary maneuvering that's the term you used earlier. Yes, that's what was on international Megan's Law. When the Senate was under democratic control. The committee process was under democratic management, and they would not let this bill make it to the Senate floor for a vote where it would have passed but but through maneuvers that chairmanships a chairman have chair persons as they have called Unknown 1:07:00 These days through through that process they kept it off the floor and therefore it didn't get a final vote if it gets a final vote it is going to be passed everybody is going to sign up for it they're not gonna want this to be used against them in a campaign and that's what happened on this I'd like to say the president side because as far as he knew there was nothing wrong with it nobody told him it was anything wrong with it Unknown 1:07:24 and another example I think is I'm not sure if I'll states do this but in this state there's like a crossover day so if you can derail it so that it doesn't make it to when they have to pass the paperwork over to the other side of the house that's another way to directly bill and states like Georgia that's a great technique day for those who don't understand crossover bill can start out if if a sitter introduces got to consider a Senate bill and if it helps memories it's going to be House bill if it's a bill is not a resolution or or something else or but but if it's not a memorial or resolution, it's going to whatever Unknown 1:08:00 needs to go to the other side except in Nebraska where they have a unicameral well in Georgia there's a date of a session which is so many days into the session where if it hasn't crossed over and George's not the only one that it dies so if you can if you can work the machinery long enough to keep it from crossing over then it dies now there are other ways to get around that you can also take what was in the bill to didn't cross over and you can take you can you can put that on as an admin but it's something that has crossed over and you can keep it alive that way that's how the Texas people got their their small town the bill that they had that they had worked so hard to kill was a writer right right they did they did they did a floor amendment and they they they so so you're not you're not out of the woodwork if you keep it from crossing over. But that's your first maneuver that you can do it safe to have that we don't have that here it can cross over here in the final hours doesn't matter but in states where they have that that's what you need to be cognizant of that and you can kill your legislation and it you have to be on guard for an amateur Unknown 1:09:00 But for something that has crossed over because they can they can put what died as an event but and legislation that's already moved over to the to the sounds real time to isn't Nebraska the state with the 12 people what do they do isn't that the place that has just the one chamber yes they have the unit Campbell The only one they have 49 like lawmakers and I refer to them all the senators so 100% of the state is a senator you have no House members you have you have a senator Unknown 1:09:28 you have 40 divided by by 200,000 so each one represents what approximately about Unknown 1:09:36 there's there's about 200,000 people that know there's not there's not that many people that live in Nebraska I don't believe so. Um. But what do they do? I mean what what would be something equivalent in that in that state? Well, they have they have a different system altogether. I don't understand completely but but they have they have priority bills that are assigned to each each member gets to designate so many bills as a Unknown 1:10:00 priority, they're guaranteed that those will be heard and each committee to get so many priorities and then if something if you can keep it from getting priority status, that's one way of D railing it. But the other process would be in the committee that's assigned to that they they don't just take things directly to the floor for a vote. So so if you can look I can derail it can be relevant the committee process but I don't know if they give multiple multiple committee assignments the way we do here, but ours is ours are designed to make it very slow, because they're going to go through for committees as a general rule here, you've you've shared that with me too. And, you know, Unknown 1:10:34 I guess just bringing that back around instead of, you know, a cross over a day or something like that. You can keep it from getting out of the committee. You've even talked about, you know, having these relationships and going back and having conversations with people using the phone and whatnot, but you can have a relationship and say, hey, look, can you not bring this to any you know, the committee can not make it at a committee somehow you can pull strings right or you can you can just try to buy a few days if you have good enough. Unknown 1:11:00 relationship if a Chairperson of a committee will give you a few days The clock is running and if if he says well I was going to sketch that Wednesday see can you put it off to Friday? Oh Okay y'all can I can do that well you just bought yourself two days and two days to do what burn the place down What are you going to do in two days you you make you diminish the odds it's going to go through all the hoops it has to go through okay if it's if it's in its first committee and it's got and it hasn't it's got to go through the other chamber so it's a house bill and it's going to have to go through the house consumer Public Affairs Committee and then it's next to judiciary if you can buy yourself two days before it makes it to judiciary then you've you've shorted the distance of time they have to work with the people that that are promoting the junk and then you could do the same thing again and again because it's got multiple steps to go through said it has to be introduced on the on the Senate side once it passes the house so if you if you don't derail it, that you do the same process all over again. Unknown 1:12:00 You You You You keep it from being what once it passes it's committees it has to be read out on the floor and voted called up for a vote so the house calendar is under whatever party is majority they're running the calendar in terms of when they call things up for a vote something that is going to be debated for the full backs amount of time you may tell you may tell the the the management that that this is going to be controversial is going to be three hours worth of debate which is what we allow for for for House Bill and you may convince them to call it up today because he's got too many things that they want to move over to send it today and you bought yourself and other day it's all about time when you don't have a full time legislature every day that you can keep something from moving is a victory Unknown 1:12:43 because you reduce the odds of it making it to the finish line and I tell people we're generating the killing business we're generally not in the passing business right here are not on offense. We are still on defense. Yeah, we I mean, I don't I don't make the rules. That's just the reality of situation. Unknown 1:13:00 We don't have a whole lot of people wanting to sponsor things to help us. We do have a whole lot of people who want to sponsor things to hurt us. So we're generally in the kit wearing the killing business. And every time you can buy yourself a day or two, it matters unless you're in a full time assembly. But there are a few of our states have a full time I simply but but but in most instances, buying time is a great thing because you're Rector train, and that's what you want to do. I still don't quite understand why a mutual friend has the philosophy that you you don't want to be doing any of this work in the legislature. You just want to do it all in the court system. I still can't quite wrap my head around that concept. I can't either so I can't answer for that mutual friend. But But Unknown 1:13:44 I would guess it's not understanding the process as well is one should and it's an intimidating thing but you don't understand it. I've been going since the 1980s and asking questions and sitting through and getting to know people so I'm quite Unknown 1:14:00 comfortable in the process I doubt if you drove to Atlanta you'd be comfortable into your first first season or to their of being in the building and trying to figure out how this this how the machinations work but but I love it if I can wreck their train I do I possibly can this is just your sport This is just what you get off on yes well I know that that that they will not stop coming for us so all we can do is continue to Rector train and offer to work with them on breeze ability they don't have the capacity this state to be reasonable under the current administration it could get better in January it could not get better we'll have to find out but all I can do since they won't work with us to be reasonable is Director train and that's what we've been doing for about 10 years now. And but you're one state and you know Forgive me I'm not trying to put you down you're not you know you're not you're not you're not a prevalent state. You're kind of a Unknown 1:15:00 minority state i don't you know you you know what I'm saying you're not a Texas you're not a Florida you're not you're not you know you're not one of those like high profile states everything I do could be replicated but Unknown 1:15:12 i don't i don't i don't i don't discount that part of it but you are just one state and you're not you're not on a national floor you're not going state to state to state you're just one state that has I think your populations similar to Nebraska with like 45 people well well I could go to the states if they if they can compensate for the cost but yes but they we get back to the thing about the offenders will donate and we have been able to find a vendor source that that that that things is is a high priority that they want to fight for and Unknown 1:15:45 as long as as long as the offender's believe someone else should do it. It doesn't get done to just speculate for me if you would, there was a at the conference there was a lobbyist there I don't want to throw her name out there. How much do you think she got paid not not to be Unknown 1:16:00 The conference but how much do you think she gets paid as a lobbyist oh they get paid 10s of thousands of dollars just for for that one for that one customer so she could be easily making 150 something along those lines I can six figure income as a lobbyist absolutely ridiculous like oh how are there were there in session lot she could easily be make it you could make 100,000 here where we only have a short sessions so Ohio yeah I have to think that having having the ability to Greece those wheels and literally drive policy and make changes you know having having having traffic cameras or you know we want to drive on the left side of the road instead of the right side of the road I mean you you can drive those policies and make those changes and make the society what you want that would be a very expensive process. And that's why the Koch brothers you know they're the zillionaire but Elliot bazillion heirs and they are donating these monies to to direct policy to make the world the way they want it. Absolutely and that's what I was all about what the GEO Group with the tour $70,000 Unknown 1:17:01 campaign to the political action committee of the former senate president the it's not an office but but but yeah that's that's Unknown 1:17:09 those those Unknown 1:17:11 guys um. I just I you know people People say that you know our Congress is all bought and paid for but perhaps true but it's not just by corporations if you have if you're just politically connected if you're if you're just a cool dude and you can you can rub elbows with with a Mitch McConnell and I mean he would just be favorable to you and he you know now you're directing policy just because you're scratching his back in some other way The reality is that in politics are very few people are politically connected without being able to bring something to the table every if you're if you're if you're a sanitation worker and don't add you don't do anything political your access is going to be a lot more restricted certain to you Unknown 1:17:57 that you can get access by number of ways you can donate to Unknown 1:18:00 Their campaign right or money or boat right like a servant you can get like to your state Central Committee which I serve on and King founder serves on and Louisiana you can do those types of things and then you're one of a few hundred that they need to consider because of your big will have to be politically active but if you're just a nobody yes you are constituent and some people try really hard to receive responses to their constituents but but you're going to have a lot more access if you're doing something that brings your self to their attention and and that's what I've been doing for 30 years I didn't magically become politically inclined just because of sex offender registration. I have been advocating for decades about things and people in that building a been around for decades. Remember that I've read fought tooth and nail against the state lottery. We eventually got it but for about 10 years we were successfully keeping a state lottery added more that she could generate some emails. Why are you against a lot Unknown 1:19:00 Why don't you want people donating a buck and getting you know hundred million dollars in return well I don't mind doing not to take for the state to be doing Unknown 1:19:09 so but but I did that I did have advocated for for for for disability for they were trying to wipe out disability programs here fair housing advocate I mean I've done so many things it's not just about sex offender registration two minutes are people are one two miniature I hate politics i hate politics i don't care about public policy and then they go in and they would be listened to all this one issue with you what your what your public policy junkie and you care about fairness and things that I've cared about through the ages it makes a difference in terms of how they receive you have the bed I'm on the train right now trying to get a minimum wage increase we haven't had one for a decade now I'm for that and and I'll put some energy just coming session into trying to come up with a with a minimum wage that we can destroy all life as we know it but Unknown 1:20:00 Me a meaningful increase because I don't buy it'll destroy all life as we know it but there are people who take that position that if we were to raise the minimum wage just been stuck since 2009 that all life is we know what would end the economy would collapse but I will be spending some energy this session working on that issue that that resonates with people in the political circles that you want to be connected with you're going to get more sympathy for our calls from liberals liberals are going to be more likely in favor of the minimum wage so if you swallow some of your pride a go work on something that's really not a high priority you you gain more credibility with them right because they say okay you're going to help me with minimum wage I'll help you on that yeah yeah yeah I'm with you. I do understand that I do it's like it's almost like paying it forward Yes. And I've been doing that for a long long time and and you know that's the thing about the caravan one of them Oh, I think I won't name them but a leader at called me and asked me what I thought our next letter was going to Mexico Governor's Office of Unknown 1:21:00 The Caribbean I looked at it I said I don't know who would be who wouldn't sign that letter I mean the people that are coming here they're not all criminals and thugs and hooligans they're coming to coaster fleeing all sorts of horrible violence and unrest and their countries yes there may be some hooligans in there but that's what veterans for but but I would like for those people to be treated fairly and given a process an opportunity to go through what we've agreed to to have opportunities for for asylum for those who make application through the process as I said How could you not be interested in that I'm not ready to tell her but it is seeking asylum to go home and one of the was named placement Bundy he just made a state but the other arch conservative that took over and shot up the place remember years ago at an Oregon I believe it was that took over the Federal Building. Oh, okay. I know talking about now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he said the same thing I'm saying you know, and he's he's far right politically. But he said, right. We have obligations to be fair with these people. Unknown 1:22:00 And so we actually have international treaties to if they claim asylum there. They're there. They're seeking asylum. There's international treaties that we have to take them and then we'll do something with them and vet them. Yes. If we have to do that, and Unknown 1:22:15 I'm in favor of Oracle's obligations outside the letter. Well, that bought me a little bit of respect from that person, because Unknown 1:22:26 it was an issue that doesn't affect me directly. I probably won't be having to apply for asylum in America. But I care about the people who do force humane, yes, you're not just scared of them because they're Brown. Unknown 1:22:40 No, I don't have that fear. I'm scared of the brown people. Just kidding. Don't Don't send me those emails. Unknown 1:22:47 Larry at Just kidding. I'm there. We've had great, great growth this year. We've done an awesome job. I think of this podcast. It's December 10 that we're recording this this will come out on the 11th I believe, because I won't get your file until the morning. Unknown 1:23:00 But I do want to thank our listeners and our growth and I want to wish us a super duper Happy 2019 which we're still gonna have another episode or two but I want to make sure that this gets said and but from that how can people help the podcast grow Unknown 1:23:18 well the easiest way to help it grow is to Unknown 1:23:22 sign up for $1,000 a month contract that does not say that wow that would be awesome though we would be best friends we would come and help lobby for you in your state if you did that Unknown 1:23:34 they keep I've got to be doing that. But they can they can. What is it? They do they go to register matters. dot CEO That is correct. That's that's one way and then if they want to contact us to blabber they can old fashioned way we haven't gotten any phone calls to play lately. No. 747227477. I tried to get one of our listeners to do it tonight. He was just like I don't want to be on your I don't. Unknown 1:24:00 Don't like my voice being on the air Hello alright well I'm going to contact a guy that has contacted us about the international wanted to go back to Canada for its the dual citizen and see if he wants to be on the podcast because I'd like to explore that a little bit but I haven't had a chance but they can reach us directly if they want to contact us at registry Excuse me. Yeah registry matters cast at gmail. com Unknown 1:24:25 or they can go sign up for the podcast at portray him. What was that Patreon? Unknown 1:24:34 What is it? www.patreon.com registry matters. That is correct. And if you want to listen to the show, you could sign up a Discord. There's a link in the show notes. Unknown 1:24:46 Oh, also, there are people that do not know how to listen to podcasts. Go find a podcast app and search inside the podcast app for registry matters just shows up on your phone and you press play easy people. Unknown 1:25:00 When you Will you say out now let's say let's say my brother he has a flip top on that he wouldn't have any as well. That's not good. Well, they do have apps but I don't think playing snake is going to qualify for this. That's a little bit old. Okay. See in prison and did to come in by a suitcase mechanism if you have a so if you have a flip phone, probably not gonna listen, you're not gonna have a podcast app? Likely No, probably not. Probably not going to have to be a phone that was released in the last like 10 years. So if you have an android or an iPhone, you should be able to do that. Easy peasy. Unknown 1:25:32 That's that's the easiest way to do it. And I have people who say they love listen to the YouTube so so how did they do that? They just register What did subscribe. Not register. Subscribe on YouTube. You can Yeah, just youtube. com and slash registry matters because we did that whole campaign to get over 100 listeners to get the name channel. Yeah. And that also then does closed captioning for you for that we do I know we have a listener who has a hearing impairment and he likes to Unknown 1:26:00 To have the podcast with a little scrolling words that go on anything. And then I also someone reached out from an educational facility I want to say it was Harvard maybe and wanted to make sure that the transcript was out there so I also do a transcript it is not perfect it's an automated system that's free and it works for me and it gets you're pretty damn close well that you can also you can tell it to to do an alert and you can click on the bell and that comes out there YouTube video discouraged that you that you have I've learned that because I've hit the bell and I have the things popping up that I want to say instead of there. Really. Yep, absolutely. I'm a big fan of that subscribe button. And who would have ever thought of it? A couple guys. And then about what, 10 years ago they sold it to Google for a billion dollars just to be able to upload some videos they receive 400 hours of content per minute. Well, well, I was just telling my young man that works here. Unknown 1:27:00 20 years old Of course he takes us for granted and I was getting a huge file ready to to to give to an attorney I mean we're not we're talking about a huge file I mean multiple folders probably several thousand pages of documents that I said in the old days now not that old of days but in the old days we would we would have been slaving and copying all this stuff and organize it in some fashion to deliver it to the other party across town or across the state or wherever we're just putting these nice little folders and they were going to share the file and the attorneys going to sit there look at that it whether the attorney was in town or whether they're across the country or across the globe they could look at these files I know that isn't this amazing course he's grown up and it's not amazing him is just normal but but to imagine copy those thousands of pages of files like wishes to do I still be copying right now Unknown 1:27:54 I'm with you and that was a big business back in the day was like a litigation Reaper graphics kind. Unknown 1:28:00 of place that could make those kind of copies for you well that's exactly what we would do we would we had a massive amount of files we would we would turn the files over to copy files service and we would have them patient aided and organize it similar to what we did and we would turn the file over but in house you you just didn't have time to do that. But it helps I was able to load these thousands of pages it took me some time but I was able to load all these pages into a shared folder and and the preferable way is just a mock the marvel of technology of what we're doing is hard to imagine what comes next. But there are things coming next that we can't imagine. Absolutely well let's shut this down so that I can go to sleep. I'm exhausted. It was a really long day yesterday. Last lot of snow. Alright, well, we'll should be back to regular schedule this weekend, I believe. So take care. All right. Thank you. As always, thanks. Bye bye.