Larry 0:00 Ready? Ready, 321 go. Unknown 0:05 We are now Andy 0:09 recording live from FYI, p studios, east and west, transmitting across the internet. This is Episode 58, and a Happy New Year of registry matters. Larry, this is the first episode of The New Year. And we are back in our separate places. And I feel so much more comfortable being here with my equipment and my screens and all that. I just feel better this way. I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to be with you for the new year and looking forward to our stellar growth that we're going to have in 2019. It's pretty neat, isn't it? We were just talking about that before the show about Unknown 0:42 just the you know, you didn't think that anything would really come of this when we started. I know we've talked about this kind of halfway recently, but Larry 0:49 I'm pleased I thought it was an obvious thing I'd ever heard. Unknown 0:55 I wanted to ask you something. I was listening to something earlier today and Unknown 1:00 I wanted to get your opinion because I never considered the thought process this way. When a public defender or any attorney is defending someone, they get accused of Charles Manson kind of crimes. And that guy still has to have an attorney and someone comes to them and go, Well, why do you go around defending all these terrible people and goes, why don't you ever ask the prosecutor? Why are you prosecuting someone knowing that they might be innocent? The inverse of the equation is right then I was like, Unknown 1:28 Yeah, that's a good point. I've never considered that option of why don't prosecutors back off a little bit considering that they could put someone that's innocent in jail? I think this this is appropriate response. I think I would go deeper than that. I would, I would try to I'll try to educate people and perhaps maybe I get criticized for that. But our system is designed it's an adversarial system. It's not designed to get to the truth and the person who's accused needs to have an Unknown 2:00 advocate because there's a jealousy contest taking place and if that person doesn't have adjuster their do right so they have to have they have to have representation now I would agree that if you find the if the client confesses to you which is more likely going to be the case to their the person's as accuse kind of used to be guilty of something if they confessed to you and you find their confession very subjective well you can ask the court to be allowed to withdraw for ethical and moral reasons and what have you but but when one person asked you how can you defend a person it would be to me it would be equivalent asking a doctor How could you How could you walk away from a patient I mean the person it's facing the critical apparatus the criminal justice system for the state of the federal government they if they don't have anybody jousting for them they're do blues whether they're out there it guilty or innocent agree I mean, it was just that the point that was being made was about the prosecutors have Unknown 3:00 what you just described though, is it's not about justice. It's about putting notches on your belt, hey, I defended this guy I got them the minimum sentence that I could get them the prosecutors like I prosecuted the guy I got the maximum sentence that I could get them it doesn't have anything to the truth or to justice get served. It just had to do whether the two people could debate and whether the jury found them guilty or innocent but that is that's largely correct they they are system if people if I did look at me we're a roll their eyes and I'm sure there will be where they hear this but our system is not designed with the specific intent of revealing the truth is designed to allow adversarial parties to have a referee neutral Unknown 3:45 neutral referee is supposed to be not always is but a person with neutrality to referee them trying to put on a convincing show. It is not designed to get to the truth when you start a trial at the end of that trial. Unknown 4:00 It that the intent is not to get to the truth of what happened and people they just they just like a bull Unknown 4:08 is wrong with you How could you say that well it was designed to give the accuser the state or the federal government if it's a federal charge the opportunity to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt right that's what that proceeding was about and the defense attorney is doing everything he or she can to preclude that from coming true because that's their job and the jousting contest is to prevent the side this dis trying to stab the heart of the accused from succeeding we're not trying to figure out what happened Unknown 4:43 I'm get it but do you see my point though that people don't ever ask that inverted question about the breath yeah they don't and I've heard that before you know how could you prosecute innocent person they do it all the time, obviously are not allowed to do that the prosecutor has a higher up Unknown 5:00 ethical responsibility then does defense attorney it's a member of the bar if you look at the rules of Professional Conduct there's a rule specifically for prosecutors but I don't know how many follow the rules I give a shout out to one but I did admire them and boulder that was very ethical them follow those rules of course he didn't stay in office by disdain offers for 30 years but Unknown 5:23 end up alienating It was a the Unknown 5:27 he he lost his job over the job at a Ramsey case because he wouldn't he wouldn't prosecute to Ramsey's and there was a vengeance need in Boulder at the time for sorry to paid for that little girls death and and we had we had a ethical prosecutor that said I'm sorry I the evidence just isn't there I can't bring charges against these people the evidence will support what we've got we can't we can't do it and of course people said well it's all because the family was wealthy if they hadn't been wealthy he would have filed charges I Unknown 6:00 I don't believe that about about that da or his chief deputy I don't believe that that was their their way of doing business. And then you know, we had that article last week where the guy spent 15 whatever years and got exonerated couldn't get off probation. That's what the story was about. But you know, he spent all that time and was eventually was freed off of the DNA evidence so there the prosecutor prosecuted and maybe there was sufficient evidence 15 years ago but still it just like it's it feels to me like in those cases where someone gets cleared from DNA evidence that there may have been something else that could have given them a little bit of doubt going and maybe not maybe lesser charges maybe something but not you know, let's not like trying string them up in the in the city square and throw tomatoes at them all day long. Unknown 6:54 Other prosecutors know if they can just get a case to the jury they're going to get a conviction, right? I know that Unknown 7:00 know they're jurors are not particularly sophisticated they know their communities well enough to know what type of persons like like on end up on a jury right and they they use their print for challenges to make sure that a thinking person doesn't get on the jury and they end up with with being able to secure conviction on the flimsiest of evidence. Because emotion comes into it, oftentimes. And and when there's been a particularly appalling or heinous crime someone's got to pay for it and and yeah, and the police the police wouldn't have brought this person in here if they didn't have pretty good evidence. I mean, the cost wouldn't bring up for bringing in person that's what an average citizens got think. And then there goes to your the fill in the blank ours pure as the driven snow, right? Yes. Unknown 7:47 Well, let's get moving. We'd like to thank our newest patron Kirk, and I can't thank you enough. Welcome to the registry matters family and Long live in prosper. And then also thank you to all of our other patrons week. Unknown 8:00 Really greatly, greatly, greatly appreciate your support in us a couple little kooky talking on a Saturday night to talk about legal news related to the registry. I don't know how to echo that enough but it is it is it is personally touching to think that what we're doing something that's valuable enough that that people would donate any amount of money and we've got some that are donating amazing amounts of money to to to us. I've been I'm thinking about I mean, I I would never have thought that I just hope I can continue to meet your expectations. I know Andy hopes the same thing that we can continue to agents are providing something that is useful to you and we Unknown 8:41 actually look forward to saying that on Saturday evening I drove back after I went home to have some plumbing work done to sit in regards to not true you do not look forward to this. Don't lie. I do look forward to it. Unknown 8:53 That's why I came I came in and read all your articles. It's because of the thousands of dollars that I pay you well. Unknown 9:00 wouldn't go that far Unknown 9:03 we'll stop losing ourselves. Now I'm hoping it gets to that level someday it would be pretty neat. There are there are podcasts that make a truckload of money there's one that I know that they make $2,000 an episode and by no means am I like aspiring to get to that level but that is phenomenal that they make that much money well my my goal in life was to do talk radio yep I know that that I for the listeners who who don't know that i i went to broadcasting school in 1976 still had hand crank radios and radar O'Reilly was they're going over and talking right it paid buddy to have professionals teach me how to speak and not say get like you said in this out you better get out of here Unknown 9:52 though is that where you Is that how you lost your accent? Yeah they would they would actually we would record on cassette tapes and Unknown 10:00 We would the professionals, but listen to those later. And if you did a sniff or call for anything that did, yes, the cough button. And if you said something that was totally butchered pronunciation wise, they would, they would, they would remind you that you didn't pronounce something that way. And I had this dream that I was going to do talk radio, but what 76 there was very little talk radio being done. Yeah, there there was, Unknown 10:26 it was it was largely if you listen to the radio, they were playing music and those days, they might devote a portion of their day to a program where they would they would they would have callers call them they would they would do sound off type things where people would actually give their opinion and they would say thank you for calling. Well, I had this notion that actually I could talk to people and give my opinion and and station managers told me it was the craziest thing they'd ever heard of that that the stations that are there transmitters would be bombed, we can't, we can't take Unknown 10:59 a way of Unknown 11:00 You're you're living in a fantasy world and and, and of course I wasn't there was a station Atlanta called wr fg radio there was actually doing talk radio Unknown 11:08 at that time, but they were the only station they were a six ad and they probably have 1000 listeners or something, you know, it was so small, small station and I had this dream of doing that. Well, I never got to do it because the jobs that were available to me didn't pay very well and small markets. But it wasn't I didn't know enough about music. I I do if I liked it, but I would when you play music they expect you know, little bit, but the artist I didn't know jack about music, you can learn that stuff though. You can learn that this is, you know, Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus or Well, yeah, I gave you a playlist. The if you were stationed the format, you couldn't go outside format. So you had a playlist and you would take phone calls and pretend like you were playing requests as long as it fit within the format latitude, but I didn't have that was not exciting to me. I didn't I understand it. So so I left that and I said, Well, someday. Unknown 12:00 I might be able to talk to people. Well, I do a little bit of that with with Darcy and I do a little bit on the podcast I'm so far look forward to is actually just sitting and talking. Because I love to talk to people. Unknown 12:12 And this gives you an opportunity to, as you like to say, pontificate on the issues that are relevant to our people. I spent my life reading, becoming informed and studying about issues and understanding systems. And this gives me an opportunity to share that knowledge with those who want to know how things work and why they work that way. I don't know what darn thing about music Unknown 12:34 like that what I like, but I Unknown 12:37 actually couldn't send be a DJ if they have such a big these days. I think most people get their music to other sources. There's anybody listening FM anymore. I was with somebody recently and they had satellite radio and they still have DJ is on satellite radio. Yeah, there's still DJ is out there. Oh, some people still do listen to terrestrial radio. I would say a lot of people still do but regular commercial. Unknown 13:00 I am it's all pretty much gone to talk radio stations are not playing music anymore. But does anybody listening to music on FM like we use? Absolutely. Yeah, there's still terrestrial radio and people still listen to, you know, like the local, you know, Middle Georgia stations and whatnot. Yeah, absolutely. Because I don't know why. But Unknown 13:19 so terrestrial radio star as the regular radio FM station, that's the term because it's the opposite of satellite radio or streaming radio. So you would have terrestrial radio. OK, so the biggie Biggie my day in Atlanta was z 93 Unknown 13:33 and am Unknown 13:36 quick see Unknown 13:37 those were the dominant players in the day. All right. And now that we've board everyone to death is first article we've got a lot of old geezers out there that that used to listen to radio Yes, I know Well, I'm trying to cater to the young guys that's what we're doing. But this article is is basically talking about in Missouri with their civil commitment. Unknown 14:00 stuff. It's from the daily journal online and the titles fooling the taxpayer. And I thought what was interesting in this article is that they said, if these men are so violent and so unreliability double Then why don't the the it says the majority of the staff is young females and unlike prisons, there's no doors to separate the staff from the quote unquote predators. And but they're having I think it says there have been none. But then it also goes like there have been very few actual reports of any sort of sexual assault against the staff. I think that's an interesting point to make about if you've got these people locked up, because they can't be let back into society for safety reasons, then why isn't the staff like they're in bulletproof vests and, you know, behind all kinds of glass and so forth to keep themselves safe, but it doesn't appear that they're that way this civil commit but specific civil commitment for sexual offenders is so bogus and so wrong from a moral standpoint that it's just a Unknown 15:00 It's just appalling that it's done it. Unknown 15:04 If a person is mentally ill, Unknown 15:08 we have civil commitment processes to commit people that are danger. And the reason why they can't use those processes, there's actually a couple reasons. One is the regular hospitals don't want the sex offenders in there for what they perceive as liability reasons. But the the biggest reason is, they're not mentally ill. This is not being this is not a commitment because of mental illness. This is a commitment because you don't like what they've done. And they've served all their time. And it's a way of extending their incarceration and disguise again, put enough lipstick on the pig to make it appear as though they're getting a little bit of treatment. So, so in some cases, I've gotten reports from people who say there's virtually no difference in the federal system there. They say they're staying in the same prison, wearing the same Unknown 15:54 garb, having the same deprivations of liberty and it's being disguised as silver. Unknown 16:00 commitment but in some instances they were putting and slightly softer facilities that are more like hospital settings and allowed to wear their own clothing having more access to telephones and stuff but that doesn't change the fact it's bogus and it's wrong massively expensive it's it's it's expensive if you apply and component of treatment to it if you just simply extend the person's term and the same federal prison there and I can't imagine that would cost a whole lot more than what it was costing cars right them which is plenty and of itself. But but this is this is so bogus if they've got a mental disorder that you should have treated them in the mental health system rather than course reading them that's what makes it so bogus and interestingly, I didn't read who the author was, but the author is a former sex offender and has been fighting his own civil commitment courts since 2011. I didn't realize that I didn't even read that either but age 70 is a former yeah it's been fighting because you know he's going to go out and find some 14 year old to go perv on and Unknown 17:00 You know, she's going to be turned on by the seven year old right? Unknown 17:04 Well, well, it's, it's, it's the problem is it's not unconstitutional it's that's what our listeners have Yeah. If you can put enough lipstick on a pig and make it appears, so his treatment to start subcomponent of therapy involved and you can draft legislation that's vague enough to. So what they what they say is rather than saying a diagnosable mental disorder, that would be I think, the DSM five is where they are now that they're operating like there's a six but rather than requiring that they could ever meet that standards, I say, mental abnormality right Right. Right. Right, to make it a van to where they can put anything in there and then and then they put the burden of proof pretty low and and and the sex offender has been incarcerated for years of many cases, and they have no money to fight with it. And they they end up Unknown 18:00 They end up in this lopsided jealousy contest where the state they could they could they succeeded committing them and it's appalling. But you people, Missouri, you need to change your law because the courts can't save you from bad public policy. Unknown 18:15 I think you call them roving tribunals. Unknown 18:19 Well. Then moving on. The next article comes from my San Antonio, and it is about a criminal justice system in Lubbock, Texas, and how they treat their indigent defense. There's a I guess, it almost like a public private partnership that hires defense attorneys, and they go in there and they are able to defend their people, significantly better than the public defender's office and other counties. And I think it says they do it for a significantly cheaper money and with a whole lot better results. So why doesn't everybody do this is the first I've heard of it. So I don't I read the article and I came away from it saying, gee, I'd like to know more about it. Unknown 19:00 It leaves a lot of questions more than answers here. It seems to compare Lubbock with the county that they rest in which looks like Baxter county yeah they say that Bexar is as as as bad but luck is good and and most places would be deeply conservative and and apparently they've been able to form a system that addresses of any of the deficiencies and they they they admitted it might not be a transfer very well to to a very Urban Meyer you couldn't necessarily makes what's working in love at work in Houston. But it is an interesting model of Unknown 19:38 providing indigent defense Unknown 19:41 I just don't know enough about it. But it seems like that that everybody who was analyzing it saying they're satisfied, right, it still seems to me like our system is designed to I don't want to say designed because we know we covered like the system is designed against LGBT q last week, but it feels like it's just stacked Unknown 20:00 put you in the cage. And it's not we, you know, we could spend more money on the public defender system. We could spend more money on that side of thing, spending the same amount of money but deferring people from going into the box you lose tax revenue people families are split up etc It could be a more wholesome model. I don't know what the right word is, well you're spinning your spending Unknown 20:25 any money you spend I should say is not money that's received a lot of text PR support when you're when you're trying to go through the political process is to get funds appropriate freedom to defense, this is one that's very tough sell and I don't care whether, you know, liberal conservative jurisdiction, it's those dollars are very grudgingly handed out right Unknown 20:47 it's like yeah, we have to what some yeah you mean we got to feed those people to Unknown 20:54 what's the minimum we can get by with doing and and we Unknown 21:00 You end up with contract rates like Wisconsin that are $40 an hour for for more work and those are rates from the 1970s there that they're paying. So this model here love God would certainly like to know more about it and we can explore it on a future session after I understand it better but it seems like the editorial is is is very flattering in terms of of what they've decided to do over in London. Very good. I'm over in Florida, we always know we always hear about the tent cities and so forth. And there's another article coming out of Florida today. The title is not all sex offenders are the same it's time we reform how we treat them. It's an opinion piece from an individual named Marshall Frank Unknown 21:50 and you know here we are again there's there's a there's another tent city that I guess the people from the like the industrial area they got kicked out so I don't know if these are the same people but it's Unknown 22:00 seems to be something similar. Unknown 22:03 And so they found some bridge they can live under. Which has got to be really shitty. Because, you know, cars are traveling over that bridge all the time. There would be no quiet anytime, 24 hours a day for these people. There's always be cars and trucks and all that stuff slamming over your head all the time, it would suck. Unknown 22:22 But these people, you know, we've Okay, you did the bad thing. Great. You get your punishment. Hey, now you're out. Oh, we're going to saddle you with so many balls and changing so much baggage. You can do nothing. They profile an individual. I think he committed a crime. He was 19 did his time and now he's just going to spend the rest of his life and he's not gonna be able to get a job and all this stuff. Why? Why would we do that to youngsters and why would we do it to anybody but there we go. You know, talking about a kid who they just their whole life is just flushed down the toilet because they had sex with their sophomore girlfriend at a high school maybe I don't know why you Unknown 23:00 Don't understand that we can't, Unknown 23:02 we cannot have sexual relations taking place with people that are not exactly the same age. So a 19 year old or not to be having sex with a 15 or 16 year old and I don't know why you can't understand that and he needs to suffer for the rest of his life. So he can think really hard and long about what he did. What is so hard about that Tatarstan Unknown 23:21 and I, you know, I have a hard time believing this these two numbers. It says, The age with the greatest number of offenders is 14. I really I got to find how that number is actually presented. Because it I can't imagine that 14 year olds are the highest. Unknown 23:38 I mean, I guess if you spread it out all the way from 14 or 10, whatever, all the way to 100. It's the number that has the most people stacked in that one group. But that's still seems like a lot of people and then 23% of all offenders are under age 18. Come on, man. Oh, that sounds plausible. The one about the age of it being 14 perhaps a Unknown 24:00 lot of experimentation going on stuff that we would never have been charged for an hour day adults would say you're not be doing that and that's inappropriate and you'd get grounded that Thursday in such term is Does anybody get grounded anymore? Uh. I know that my kid does. Okay so that's not so far. I think if I were to say ground around a teenager that they would know what I'm talking about perhaps maybe maybe timeout maybe turn off your screens or something. Unknown 24:27 But But I would suspect that a lot of experimentation that we got away with probably has been prosecuted today that because we were we're just super sensitive data like sexual all the stuff that people did streaking back in the 70s when you probably go on YouTube with Fine Fine, fine you could find current videos you could go watch like European soccer games and somebody just wants to be a jackass and they want to interrupt the game and they just go run across the field naked and watch the people chase after him. I really cannot be inside of that. That they wouldn't have done anything to. Unknown 25:00 This country but maybe get a misdemeanor whatever you yeah yeah down that's a major offense it'll put you on the sex offender registry because because not 50% of the population doesn't have junk like what the person is carrying around the way that they're streaking right and I'm for 14 years 14 year old experimenting back in my day would have just been taken care of in house a school that had something like to happen all that stuff will be happening within within the school that this were process but now everything gets returned to law enforcement there's a demand that everything Everything has to be reported everything has you know all these reporting rules we have entered everything has to be appointed somebody does anything has to be right so um. It was surprising though yeah right and the author of the article interestingly is a retired police captain at a Miami Dade which is that's the place where the whole run book shenanigans thing is going on so it says Marshall Frank a retired police captain he's not exactly a beat officer either right right these hmm I see as it were Unknown 26:00 What is that Unknown 26:03 head mother I'll try to charge yeah Unknown 26:08 I thought myself believed Unknown 26:12 what do you think about reason magazine Unknown 26:15 I don't have much thought one way or the other why I really I enjoy the magazine they do present a very interesting counterpoint to the to the left and the right arguments that go around and the article that where we came across this the number of men in federal prison for viewing or sharing child porn has nearly Sep toppled since 2004. That probably comes from the ease of acquiring it because of this crazy thing called the internet. And you know, it'll never make it it's just a fad. And then also with the availability of digital cameras just on your phone or you know, all the high quality gear so now you have easy production and you have easy distribution and then I guess in law enforcement can easily track it. But now I'm thinking about it. I remember something Unknown 27:00 Then in the article that talked about that law enforcement can easily monitor the child porn websites, and then they know when you hit it, so then they come and get you but it wouldn't it make more sense to go get the source instead of I mean, you know, go prosecute drug dealers not drug users it sounds like the same argument there. Well, first of all before I get into that for those like me that don't know what Sep couple means. Can you tell us what that translates out? I do. I'm pretty sure that's a sevenfold. Okay, so so 712 Okay, sex to all be six. And then September seven October old would be, and then an octogenarian, those are the two year olds so and a 14 year period we've got 770 people Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I don't know if I completely agree with you about the pushers because the pushers respond to demand and right those of you who believe in capitalism at its finest, the way you stopped Unknown 28:00 supply is you curtail demand sure Mexico wouldn't be sending so many drugs to United States if there was no demand for it Mexico doesn't cause the demand its air completely get high Unknown 28:11 causes the demand and and so therefore if you don't deal with the demand I don't know how you will ever stop the supply I completely agree with them Unknown 28:21 but in terms of this these these these sentences are horrendous they're so disproportionate to the criminality of what they're handing out the amount of time and they do some comparisons and the article Congress's mandate is for federal there's a minimum five years which is 60 months right and you you you're often going to get 7200 months in the federal system of course I know in some states systems you can get longer than that I get it but in love like ours you can't get anywhere near that much time for poor and if you're under state law but these Unknown 29:00 They make comparisons about about robbery in fiscal 2016. Ever since receive federal child pornography and fenders, 95% of whom are not convicted of content crops was 101 months, just nearly as long as the average for robbery. So you can take a gun, go into the bank that your local branch take every dime they've got. And you'll get just as much time for staying in the privacy of your home and looking at clicking your mouse. Yes, something's wrong. Something's wrong with you. People out there. Yeah. And that's some sense is 20 years versus arson, which would be 20 years. Yeah. So you could use that we can begin today's place Unknown 29:44 you can you can burn something down. And it would have to be a federal federal jurisdiction. I'd say some federal Connect. Yeah. But if you could, you could torch something that has a federal connection and if they max you out, they can't give you any more time than they can give them. Unknown 30:00 person who looked at porn course the the the reactionary would say well we need to increase the sentence for arson I think 20 years is plenty for for football star so we have to look at 30 days which was up it to Unknown 30:13 something beyond arson but 20 years is enough time to get get their attention but they sentences are so disproportionate and that's not us sitting here saying that looking at child porn is okay of course not but still be solved a lot there so that that's all we're doing but we're saying that the punishment is grossly disproportionate I I know that this is insensitive for me to say this but if you in a isolated environment Click on a picture and you see you know whatever you see I have a hard time dealing with the the victims advocates that say you've re victimized the person's and I don't like if you came in contact with them and then you could shame them or somehow deal with that then that would be a different but if you in Unknown 31:00 See it and then move on. I don't see how that re victimizes anybody I've struggled with that myself. I'm Unknown 31:07 most of the time. I don't think they ever identify who the who the people are. Right? Maybe I'm missing something. But usually they don't identify they're not identifiable and the place where they're identifiable I but suppose that if we're being ratio, and there would be, but how would you even know about it? How it were out there? And what 330 million people looked at it? How would you know? Unknown 31:30 How do you even know it's from one of those hundred 333 million people? It could be one of the 7 billion people well, it could be but that would us wouldn't be prosecuted for that. So let's assume it was for us to be prosecuting it was somebody within the United States but still it's one of 330 million people how would you know Wait a minute, if you get porn from Russia and it ends up on your computer you're not gonna get prosecuted for being rushing child porn. I'll have a saying if the victim is within the United States if it's an American child and Unknown 32:00 The prosecution was able to identify that child they would not be they would not likely have jurisdiction over someone who was viewing that child in Russia because Russia would have to agree to handle over United States so they're mostly going to be prosecuting Americans no I'm saying the other way if the source of it was from another country and you're looking at here in our borders right it could be one of 7 billion yes yeah yeah okay yeah but but but but they they that they've even less likely they would know that that an American if they were if they were not in America that we don't have any contact with i mean i don't know how would it would shame or do that I guess I'm just not sensitive enough to understand it yeah we're both a bunch of old crotchety hassles so well Unknown 32:46 yeah that's us we're not we're not in favor of the victims advocates Unknown 32:51 like that's clear from my Unknown 32:54 yeah Unknown 32:56 um. And then this next one from NBC News. com he lawyers Unknown 33:00 child predators and shames them on Facebook now one of his targets is dead This is we've had I don't know hand like I don't know half dozen of articles about vigilantes over the past year and a half of the podcast and here we are again here's some guy named quote unquote incognito Shane Erdman his that's his real name and him and his buddies they go on to various different like dating websites I think they said grinder and tender and then they post under age profiles or something like that anyway they however they are enticing their their victims and they get them to come to an event to a house that one of their supporters volunteers the house for them to to pimp out the house so to speak. And when the person shows up, they fire up the cameras and start asking the person question and then you know they end up on Facebook. So that happened to one person and he killed himself. Unknown 34:00 would be the way the article described it will be those who watch to catch a predator would be it would be it would be Unknown 34:08 it would be staged largely the same way they did that this the person that they shame now just I just want to tell you where this has this has dropped through the bottom of the barrel. The person who who who his dad was named Elaine Malcolm 20 years old Malcolm was a handsome the oldest son of a Jamaican immigrant which implies he was here legally holy subscribe to the idea of the American dream in high school. Malcolm was Vice President, future business leaders of America club system captain, the tennis and swim teams. I remember the student council and Model United Nations. He started a marketing business at age 15. This is somebody who had a future ahead of him. After graduating from 2016 in 2016. He got interested in apparently social media and his his his Unknown 34:59 I guess his biggest Unknown 35:00 hanging up as he was gay and and a small town like Torrington Connecticut I would imagine that the gay population would be would be very small and he was able to make them which tends to be conservative and their their sexuality and he was a Jehovah Witnesses a Jehovah Witness and so I put him in a very bad position so grinder and those type of things would be where a person like him with go to meet someone right and and and he apparently showed up to meet what he thought was updated said 14 or 15 year old yes is purportedly a 14 year old boy going on 15 so But what they don't say is if whether they they had agreed to have sex there's absolutely nothing wrong with a 20 year old meeting a 14 year old if there's no sinister motivation we don't know what he was going to mentor him You don't know that what we see this is where people assume the worst about somebody doubt generally I do think people Unknown 36:00 on Grindr looking for hookups as I understand I've never been on there but I've talked to people who have I think that's why their own grinders as they're looking for a hook up, and that, as far as I know, for old, old people look up is when you get together for for, for a sexual liaison, have some time, no string sex. I think that's what a hookup is. But But this this, Unknown 36:22 this is as I hate to say it, but it's worth it begs for a prosecution of some type if there's something that they can find, to prosecute to try to stop this dis activity, because this is this is way over the top. We've got a 20 year old dad Unknown 36:39 and we got vigilantes out there shaming people, do you think that any prosecutor will pick it up? Unknown 36:45 Probably not. But I'm hoping so. Unknown 36:48 I don't know what it would be a a judge Persky kind of thing. If a DA tried to pick it up, that that person would be just like the phone would ring off the hook of the citizens going Unknown 37:00 Noman you shouldn't mess with that guy he did the right thing that's exactly what I'm afraid of it and I'm guessing Torrington probably conservative part of Connecticut it doesn't sound like heart for the major cities Unknown 37:12 solid Bridgeport doesn't sound like Stanford it sounds like like it they would be like a B roll Connecticut yeah but just you know to kind of bring it back around we often talk about how many of our people are calling the sheriff or the senators or that you know whatever to tell them to not support or support a bill that's in our favor and you know our people don't go in numbers but here we go. If this person got prosecuted for being a vigilante the phone will be ringing off the hook telling Ida to back off well that would be one thing would happen. Nothing is that people be donating money for his defense. That's right. Unknown 37:49 Every time there's a vigilante action money magically, there's all these ways of raising money. What's it called, GoFundMe. GoFundMe? That's one yes, they open up these Go Fund Me Unknown 38:00 People go fund them right so hard one but have plenty of money to defend himself with. Right Hmm. And let's face it should be some sort of campaign finance things to equalize the playing field. You can only have so much money donated from from black sources. Oh Unknown 38:17 well. Hey saving the world from pervs. Yes, the one one group at a time. This was a long article but I encourage people to read it. Yeah, it is a long article and I mean I know to like the the restorative justice to all that you could take this individual and without shaming him, you could have introduced him to some sort of counseling to some sort of, you know, diversionary tactics and not lost what would potentially be a prosperous you know, tax producing income earning, you know a good person that you might think otherwise. So they made one mistake and now you flush the whole thing entirely including life down the toilet well, reminds me of that young man that got film having gay sex in his dorm room. Unknown 39:00 Men some school up in New England just years ago, and the end up committing suicide. I don't get shamed. You remember that one? I do, vaguely. But there have been a number of shaming of coming out of the closet. And a bunch of people have committed suicide in the last, you know, five or 10 years since it's been more acceptable for people to come out. And then, you know, there's still a certain portion of the population that doesn't accept it. Unknown 39:22 It's a good long read, I would encourage people to read the article, and perhaps through people understanding how gross This is we could push back on on this type of vigilantism is what I'm going to call it. Yeah. Unknown 39:36 Well, and then Unknown 39:39 this one's totally a setup, though, do you think that the United States should be able to ban entry from another nation if it so chooses? I think that's what our president has said that, Unknown 39:51 in fact, he put a band of some sort into effect and had pushback from people in the courts have ultimately said he can do that like Unknown 40:00 To travel ban, but I think a nation sort my can ban people from coming into its borders. Yes. And so what we're talking about is in the Philippines, and article came by that says 187 foreign sex offenders, mostly Americans barred from entering the Philippines in 2017. And I say, Well, there are a sovereign nation, they can do what they want. Unknown 40:22 I mean, I don't think they necessarily should be banned, depending on what their crime was, you know, if they got charged with sex trafficking, then yeah, maybe you don't want them in there and depending what the crime was, whatever, but that's their prerogative to do it. And I know that you want to throw in your little two cents on that concept. I do because that's an opportunity to remind people that that's exactly what was supported in 2016 when we had candidate Trump. He's talked about extreme vetting and keeping out the bad home braces he referred to them well, I hate to break it to you but nations have the right to view people convict sex offense. Unknown 41:00 This bad Unknown 41:06 bad Unknown 41:09 yeah hamburgers alright Unknown 41:11 president says Unknown 41:16 I know he mispronounced it he misspelled it right well I just I think that's why he pronounced it he did he call them bad homebrew he called him back home base or I forget which one is anyway one of those hamburgers It's so fun but but if if a nation wants to view people who have sexual offense convictions as bad I think that nation has the right to do that and they have the right to vet people and I'm surprised that any of our supporters would see otherwise because that's exactly what we do when you when we admit people in this country they are extreme vetted. You don't just walk into United States legally not people do sneak in illegally but to Kevin's United States alone. Unknown 42:00 Legally, you go through a significant amount of vetting, you know, john oliver, he did a segment on the immigration process. And he said there are 13 agencies before the whole travel ban. Before all that came into effect. There are 13 agencies that your application to come into the country. Absolutely. It's an extreme process that we put people through. It's not that people just show up on the borders and we let them in that that like the whole concept from from the conservative side of saying, We need extreme vetting, the vetting is already there but I'm surprised that anybody would be appalled that another nation would want to vet people that enters their borders absolutely what what would be so shocking about that the only the only Americans want to keep themselves safe from those who might be bad i mean i think the obvious right What do other nations to Filipinos want to keep their children safe? No because they're not considered as they're not as a as exceptional as we are, but I Unknown 43:00 I don't know that it's the best policy with you just have just merely being on the registry right it's enough to exclude a person but that certainly their prerogative to do that the US UK Canada Australia a lot of nations exclude people who have convictions of any type it I mean it should be Unknown 43:19 right i mean Canada if you have any felony I'm pretty sure you are not going to Canada forget forget what the crime was if you if probably not dope now but if you have any sort of domestic abuse if you have anyone anything that's a felony I don't think you're getting into Canada well you could have misdemeanors will keep you out of Canada but that's their prerogative right President Trump says every nation should be done only have the right but their duty to protect their citizens and control their borders I don't know that our listeners would disagree with that yeah the Philippines that they are a nation right I'm pretty sure Actually you know what someone while I was down said that the Philippines was a state but that's a Unknown 44:00 conversation for another day. Unknown 44:03 So Cuba Cuba was also on that list. But that's again that's another conversation but I'm not sure that I can be supportive of the policies in terms of it being a policy but but we're sure about what they have the right to do it. Yeah you're not you're not talking about the world that should be you're talking about the world that is be That's correct, and I think they have the right to do that. It might be misguided, but I think they have the right to do that Unknown 44:26 ready to be a part of registry matters. Get links at registry matters dot CEO. Unknown 44:33 If you need to be all discreet about it, contact them by email registry matters cast at gmail. com. You can call or text around some message to 747 to 274477 Unknown 44:49 want to support registry matters on a monthly basis. Head to patreon.com slash registry matters. Not ready to become a patron give a five star review at Apple podcast. Unknown 45:00 For Stitcher, or tell your buddies that your treatment class about the podcast we want to send out a big heartfelt support for those on the registry. Keep fighting without you. We can't succeed you make it possible. And then there's an article at a medicine it's called the Madison record calm Bellevue man Sue State's Attorney official for $10 million over sex offender registration. You talk about this all the time of we need more litigation and I think this speaks directly to that idea. He is suing state officials for 5 million in compensation, damn compensatory damages and 5 million in punitive damages alleging his reputation within his community continues to be irreparably injured by his registration status. That sounds effing awesome. I would actually love to see the complaint I didn't see a link to it here. I'd like to see what he's actually asserting and his complaint No, I don't see that either. Unknown 45:59 But. Unknown 46:00 I intend to actually follow up with our people in Illinois and see if they know this is Hello Illinois is known sorry yeah yeah I think it said Illinois but and the follow up and see if we can get some information on this concept maybe something that's organization we would like to be involved in. It's an uphill battle to get sure to get to get damages from a governmental entity particularly if he pled guilty to a crime which it says he did his argue but is that that they broke the deal and he agreed to be harmed for a certain period of time and then he's he's kept his part of the group and he served the time and but they've they've kept their as they're harming him beyond the time but they're great so they're fine swimming he got sentence before AWS and then got dragged back in after that I'm just gonna assume oh that looks like it looks like a enhances registered or province extended Unknown 46:54 okay so doesn't doesn't that like literally mean they aren't I'm not holding up his end of the bar. Unknown 47:00 Can that that would I'm for it I think he says get Herman claims that the State's Attorney's Office concealed a January 1996 a member to the Illinois gel Sex Offender Registry which increase duties and build these Kidman claims he would not have entered into agreement with the state's attorney's if he had known about the amendment. I'm not sure I agree with them on that the state's attorney's job that's his jesters job today. Right Right. Right. But if the state's attorney knew I think they would have had an ethical duty to disclose that but but he he's he's saying that that he would not have agreed to a lifetime of this and they change their part of the deal which I like that argument interesting. In 2012 get urban legends, he discovered that the contract entered into was premised on fraud, deception and unconscionable and immediately attempted to protect his rights by enforcing in terms of the contract as they existed rights that's interesting, but even even in the current state. Unknown 48:00 After you've done your time by continuing to register by all the other garbage that they throw on you with the website and the restrictions and so forth isn't it's to a lesser degree than this guy had like the breach of contract however he's also saying that there's the defamation of Unknown 48:16 irreparably injuring his his character is aren't all the people in the registry dealing with that to at least like maybe some of the less reported states like the New England ones that don't throw everybody up on the website well his his the state's going to argue that his conviction is what hurts his character not the registry I don't agree with that that's what they're going to argue in short they're going to say sure the fact of the matter is you pled guilty to a sex crime and that's the sex crime that hurt your reputation not the registry his argument is if I didn't have to be able to stay on registry by reputation wouldn't continue to be in the crapper because people would consider me for all sorts of things that they won't consider me for because I'm on this damn registry. Unknown 49:00 happen to agree with him but I think it's one desperate to Monster ball though it's a what isn't a demonstrable that he's being harmed I mean you could literally like you know so when you're when you're trying to collect foods or unemployment you have to continue to go out and say that you're trying to get a job it's demonstrable that you are or not trying to get a job so this guy can go to places and then get denial letter saying Hey, sorry, you're on the registry. We can't get you this job. He has like a factual track record a paper trail of saying my reputation is harmed here the housing whatever the homeless Owners Association in my neighborhood, they won't let me live there they're kicking me out or something because you know, he has all these things that can go in his favor to say I'm being harmed by this got all those things but they will turn back and say you've got a conviction history and that's what's harming you people don't like you because you have you have a conviction that they will they will argue that Unknown 49:55 defending against and I'm not arguing with you, but you take somebody who got convicted Unknown 50:00 Any other crime that doesn't have all this baggage behind it and they're able to live in the neighborhood they're able to move on and get these other jobs it's because of this whole registration scheme depending on the scale of it in the various states that that is then the harm absolutely and I say I agree with what yeah I know that he's very hard but I think that that no one has the states will defend it they will claim that it starts ready for calls in the heart and the Morgans on him to prove not the bird is not on the state he's making the accusation he's claiming sure that he's being harmed he's got he's got to prove them I assume this as civil correct yes okay he's got a proven Marshall podcast at the average evidence and not and that's not beyond a reasonable doubt correct? It's it's much lower threshold 50% plus a little bit okay. That doesn't sound hard, Unknown 50:50 except for nobody wants to hear it. Yeah. If you take it to a jury how many how many doors Do you think walk toward damages against their themselves which is what they Unknown 51:00 would be that this is against tax Prescott to cough this up Can you picture juror sitting there saying yes i'd like to I know 10 billion yes i'd like to do that I guess us yeah I'm with you it's Unknown 51:14 it does damage a war Unknown 51:16 movie right along I love this one I just got this one today so it's a hot off the presses published today January 4 and Unknown 51:25 government shutdown federal inmates feast on Cornish hands stake as prison guards labor without pay Unknown 51:34 I seriously like every other day of the week the guards are getting paid and and federal inmates I you know they eat they eat better than state ones but I don't think they're eating like super duper well so this is a this is a whole lot of misrepresentation about how the prison food system works and they there's a whole bunch of pictures in the article of razor wire and high guard towers and all this stuff and then there's a picture of the state capitol being shot. Unknown 52:00 down Unknown 52:04 well Tim to be this is but bunch of who we are and that you have one or two days a year where correction facilities show a softer side of themselves and they provide better food a slightly more relaxed atmosphere slightly more privileges you might get a little more extra time with your visitation they might do is they might not do as thorough the strip search you get fed a little bit better and Unknown 52:35 to Unknown 52:37 find that this is objection to the government shutdown that I can assure you the advice don't have anything to do with it. That's true that they're imprisoned they did not have anything to do with shut down it's not probably weren't even around a vote anywhere Unknown 52:54 like the new politicians that shut it down. It's not their fault that people are Unknown 53:00 In this predicament so according to the way I've read this article was that that the prisons should have just arbitrarily said because we're in a government shutdown that we should not give the extra good meal that you get once or twice a year on Thanksgiving Christmas or maybe Easter out to have a bit in prison but but you get it get a few days a year where you get a little bit special food is I should have pulled that and federal like, Unknown 53:27 I mean, really, folks are you that vindictive? Are you that angry? Are you that mean that you would want to take Christmas away from somebody that they could have their special food that they behaved and look forward to all year long, really, folks, Unknown 53:46 and and so somebody named Coleman What is his name I gotta find I can't see his name offhand. But this is appalling. Said Coleman. Prison union chief. Oh, I'm sorry. So the Coleman prison sorry, the guy's name is Joe Rojas. Unknown 54:00 We're not getting paid. And the inmates are eating steak. The inmates know what's going on. And they know about the shutdown and they're laughing at us. Unknown 54:08 Good grief, man. Yeah, this is some garbage. It really is. This is what's the what gets people all fired up because this they're getting paid, but they're going to get paid. Yeah, these are gonna be back pay people, right? I lived through enough and even the people who have been furloughed who are not working, they are also going to get paid as if they had work, right. They that this is the way it always happens Unknown 54:35 process to approve back pay for the furlough and all that stuff. Right. And I think that they've never not approved it they having for an output to my recollection. So Mr. Rojas, if you have not saved a few dollars to be able to make it through one payday without getting paid, then you have kind of failed as an individual. Unknown 54:56 Well, it is now on the second week. I think it's at 14 days today, isn't it? Unknown 55:00 right but they haven't Unknown 55:02 they haven't missed a payday yet they're coming as I understand they're coming up on a payday next week right that's a big big payday that oh yeah with with like with a backfill like you get paid a week behind when you did the work. Yeah that that makes sense. Sure. But but really Unknown 55:18 I mean I give you a little bit of slack if you're 17 years old and you haven't learned to budget you haven't learned the value of money but if you're an adult and you can't make it through one payday I'm sorry to tell you you've kind of failed as an individual yeah that is pretty sad and I know we're all kind of hate mail Unknown 55:37 yet this you don't understand it. And yes, I do understand I've lived on public assistance. I've lived in the in the the youth hostels and in the YMCA is when the head shelter, understand and understand what you have to do. And what here's what you have to do, here's some pontification for you. You have to always strive to live a less than what you have coming in. Now. Your goal should always be to complete a panel. Unknown 56:00 cycle and have money left over. Even if it means giving up satellite even giving up it going out and watching the Colorado Rockies play baseball even means not having the very best of stuff you would have to try to end each pay cycle with something left over and you want those to grow cycle after cycle so that if you have to miss it a pay cycle or two you fall back on that that you're talking living below my means. That's not the American way though. Well, I know it's not I just heard today as a financial program 40% of the people in this country and I'm talking about adults I'm we're taking out the young people that are teenagers are just very young adults. But 40% of the mature individuals that have lived their life working their entire life have less than $10,000 in total assets. accumulate 40% of Americans, if this was accurate, have accumulated less than $10,000 so you're saying I think that would be a Unknown 57:00 Approximately 80 million people. Well, four times now would be more than we got 300 million people. So 40 hours you have to take but you're going to take away the underage. Got take the kids out. Yeah. So I call that a third. But but but isn't that kind of sad that whole lifetime and not accumulate $10,000. That's pretty sad. Unknown 57:22 That is pretty sad. Well, so let's move on to what should kind of be happiness someone criticize that we need to provide some more good news. So here's a, an A, A Seventh Circuit opinion that actually goes in our favor, but it's pretty narrow Seventh Circuit vacates conditions of supervised release following child pornography conviction. Larry, this is all you This is so much legal propeller heads stuff that I I can read the words and I can I can pronounce them all. But stringing them together makes slightly more than zero sense. Well, this is when you say Seventh Circuit. I'll remind people Unknown 58:00 We're talking about we're talking about the federal judicial system. If you look at the hierarchy of federal courts, you have to Supreme Court at the top this Don justices, that's the highest tribunal. And then you have courts of appeals and we have we have 11 circuits and each state lives of arrest within one of those circuits. In your case, you're in the 11th circuit and my case, I'm in the 10th circuit, and we also have to DC Circuit so there's effectively 12 circuits and then we have the district courts which will depart court level person with a federal charge is going to be sent us by district judge in most cases and then the federal system also has magistrate judges a disciplinary matters on Unknown 58:44 on cases before they're handled by the district judges. So what we have here as an appeal out of a district court in Illinois, which was taken to the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, which is where the that that state resides rested within the Seventh Circuit. Unknown 59:00 Several Circuit Court of Appeals would be one, one rung beneath the Supreme Court. And this person was convicted in the federal system. And what's what's exciting about it is because we keep seeing these cases, reinforcing what we've said on this podcast for so many times is can they do that? Yes, they can do it until they're stopped. Right? This is this is an individual who had a Unknown 59:26 possession conviction from some number of years ago. I think it's a 2007 Unknown 59:32 that he was originally convicted, you have to plead guilty 2007 to possessing digital images of child pornography and violation of the US code. He was sent us to seven eight months, which is what we're talking about earlier that people get five times 12 to 16 are required to get 60 months he got 78 months of imprisonment and three years of supervised release, which is what the federal system refers to as as post president. You don't have parole, you have supervised release, and it's a former probation breed of reentry. Unknown 1:00:00 supervision and he violated his supervised release and and he didn't contest the conditions until they until he violated them and and then he was gonna he was gonna have to spend more time in prison and he filed an appeal and conditions that that they can test it the Court of Appeals said that that that that they they were vacating to have those conditions that there was imposed in the first condition of people need our staff that that that you can conditions of supervision can be very very intrusive but they can't just be willy nilly applied as a general matter I'm going to read directly from several Sorkin opinion first condition must be reasonably related to one the defendant offense history characteristics to the need for adequate deterrence. Three, the need to protect the public from further crimes of the defendant and for the need to provide the defendant with training. Unknown 1:01:00 But that's the general. So can you can you do a lot of things? Yes. But they have to have to be so specific, tailored such a condition cannot evolve greater deprivation of liberty that is reasonably necessary to achieve the goal of deterrence, incapacitation, and rehabilitation. Lastly, the condition must be consistent with any relevant statements issued by the United States Sentencing Commission. Well, he had he had conditions that he felt were overly broad he had a notification condition that he had to notify any individual of his characteristics and he has his violation was he he smoked dope which is which is pretty much a common condition of supervision right Unknown 1:01:43 he looked at porn adult porn and he held a child without a forming the the parent of the child or the Guardian that he was convicted sex offender and so he can test those conditions that he had, which was blank. Unknown 1:02:00 Much blanket banned from from porn that you have to notify anybody have fled his what his conviction was and then he couldn't use the internet for looking at porn and the Court of Appeal said sorry you can't do all those you can do one of those you can do the internet they don't want to look at Internet porn because I think that was reasonably related to to what yeah sure was doing for his original conviction but they said he could look at the influences that that he can look at regular magazine or other form because that that enjoys I could have member protection and even though you don't have first amendment not second first second third excuse me Unknown 1:02:44 second of it but I think about those gun freaks I'm excuse Unknown 1:02:48 God supporters Unknown 1:02:51 Oh man, you're driving the listenership down to zero again. Unknown 1:02:55 So Unknown 1:02:57 it has first member protection and Unknown 1:03:00 Although while you're under supervision of being punished, you have you have diminished, right? You the First Amendment doesn't go away. You have rights to worship. You have you have so so the appellate court said that that they could not require him to give that broad noticed anybody and that they could not totally banned him from looking at stimuli but they could do the internet. He can't he can't look at his stimuli online. Right. Unknown 1:03:29 So it's a good it's a short as decisions go it's relatively short 27 pages and it's a good read. So we're going to provide it to people who want to read it. And I think for how to be in the show notes, it would be very helpful for people to understand that just because the conditions put on you doesn't mean they can do that lawfully. Right. And as we say all the time, they can do it until they're told to stop so here's a guy that told them to stop and got a judge to say no, you have to stop and this is in Illinois, which is one of the tougher states well and the Unknown 1:04:00 I mean all the circuits have moved to be more conservative but but this is a fairly as I understand it fairly conservative Circuit Court of Appeals but they are I mean they haven't been very kind to the registry challenges in the ones that have been made but the park band right restriction that they've they've not been very sympathetic but on this one they they seem to come down squarely on the side of there's got to be narrowly tailored it's got to be specific specific Unknown 1:04:29 characteristics and you can't just apply these willy nilly conditions without articulating they've got to be clear on why they're doing this do you care soon was do you care to speculate on on the court coming down you know whether they're conservative or progressive as far as how they would view the narrow tailoring side of things i don't i don't think so because I'm getting more more surprises I'm seeing I'm seeing conservative courts do things that that like in the North Carolina case with Unknown 1:05:00 Meredith that we talked about a couple weeks ago, according to our north carolina people, that's a pretty conservative judge. And and so it's they seem to be all over the map on this. Unknown 1:05:11 I'm trying I'm trying to figure out how to work the way that I'm asking this question. So the the legislature established that the supervising people could make all these extra conditions Unknown 1:05:25 where would the doctrine if maybe that's the right word to use? Where would the where would the guidance come that says that you're supervising conditions have to be reasonably related to your crime. So here's a guy that looked at some internet porn and so they came down and said, No man, you can't give these people all these other conditions long as that has a lot to establish those case law in terms of okay how much how much constitutional protections you have because when you're when you're in society, the Constitution even if you're if you're if you're being punished, the Constitution doesn't totally go out the window you use the render rights but it's the courts that determine how many of those Unknown 1:06:00 right you've surrendered and the courts have determined that you don't surrender your they've made it loud clear you don't spend to your right to be on social media you don't read to your right to be on the internet you don't surrender your total first amendment rights to go to church to you so it's the courts that are drawn those deviations until lawmakers you can't go that far. But like I have seen of probation restrictions to say you can't drive a car by yourself and I hope what's that related to unless you were going to try and like pick up somebody and you know you know the shopping center like that other article we covered about with the guy that committed suicide eventually from the vigilantes. But so why can't you drive? I mean, how is that related to a crime if you were in your house looking at porn? I've I've not seen that condition, but I've heard of it that you can drive a car Unknown 1:06:50 you don't. Anybody that has that condition. Anyway. I may be able to point somebody out. Yes. Oh, do they enforce the condition or is it just there? It's just there. Unknown 1:07:01 I can't, I can't figure out like, how are you supposed to like, hey, probation says, come to the office and you go, I can't drive alone. Hang on, let me go get my mom to ride in the car with me. So I go to my probation office. Unknown 1:07:14 That's just, it's just silly. I mean, some of the conditions, you know, given given what we're talking about here of them being specifically tailored to your crime. So you have an internet related crime, okay, you have to have some level of restriction, monitoring whatever against your internet use. But why do all of the other things come along? Like the park thing? Why would that be there you were in the house in your house looking at the things you weren't in the park trying to diddle a kid so okay if you were in the park China little kid fine You're banned from parks but you should be able to go look at porn Unknown 1:07:48 or at least at least the cam shows right well that's not Unknown 1:07:52 or dial the 900 numbers Unknown 1:07:55 What if they have any more but Unknown 1:07:57 what I don't want you to understand Kim shoulders. Unknown 1:08:00 Not porn. But Unknown 1:08:03 I get your argument. I just don't think that that's going to fly. I have a feeling that someone's going to throw up on your face if you try and do that. I've been watching cam shows for 40 years now. Oh my god, dude, you did not need to express that course. We haven't had that capacity for 40 years. So how long have we had that capacity? Unknown 1:08:21 Well, you could have gone to a establishment and looked at something that would have been a cam show, I'm sure. Well, well, I was talking about online one there. Now there are thousands upon thousands of people that are they're showing you their whole life on a cab show, because Unknown 1:08:39 you probably don't know probably don't know of a guy. I think it was called Ted TV. A guy strapped like a camera to maybe his head. Maybe it was a chess game and he just recorded everything 24 hours a day and people watched it. It says recently it was insane. How popular was have heard of such a thing Unknown 1:08:57 and but is there anything else that you would like to cover on this particular Unknown 1:09:00 thing now, I think it's I think it's a good decision for people to read. And then what people want to make some phone calls or email some questions. But we're we're building a body of case law that says you just can't go crazy on on conditions and supervision, and that's a good thing. This level this this opinion is binding within the Seventh Circuit, and then also then persuasive against the other ones. And it's persuasive authority, but it's binding in the Seventh Circuit and Unknown 1:09:29 you you continue to build a body of case law that says that there are limits and then those have attorneys have to have to enforce those limits when they when they exceed them. And that requires resources as well. Do you think you don't think that this would then get appeal to the Supreme Court to you, Unknown 1:09:44 and it could, but I don't think the Supreme Court I mean, they want to take a fraction of what Yeah, they're asked to take so they get 9000 petitions here that grant 90 so great. Take 10%, 1% Unknown 1:09:56 skews me Unknown 1:09:58 your odds are pretty low. Unknown 1:10:00 Yeah no doubt no doubt interesting well very good sir How can people find us they have to search very carefully do they use maybe any specific keywords to find us well I would say that they could use Unknown 1:10:13 they could go to our registry pattern dot CEO they could find us that way they could they could I was what I was trying to get as he could search registry matters on the internet and you'll find us Oh you can you get so if I google registry batters I'll find absolutely come on yeah what if I What if I use Bing or some other search engine or the Google will still find us that's a good question I don't ever use Bing so I can't even answer that question I had no one cares being has like 20% of the internet traffic so it is a relevant thing but they should well alright have sold the house I have people call in leave voicemail well that is now I've got that number down. I've memorized it is seven forced Unknown 1:10:58 to to seven Unknown 1:11:00 4477 and it will be repeated if you hit replay. So Unknown 1:11:06 two to 74477 Unknown 1:11:11 and where can people send us an email message that would be registered matters cast@gmail.com outstanding. And what is the best way to support the show and show the love that would be to sign up for a $100 a month or better? I mean, $1, $1 Unknown 1:11:35 a month is actually respectable, but any amount from $1 up but you can go to portray on.com Is that the way you pronounce it, it is totally Unknown 1:11:47 Patreon patreon.com slash right. Unknown 1:11:51 I did do a Bing search for registry matters and the entire first page Albert one link for so nine out of 10 links are pointed to us whether you want Unknown 1:12:00 Find us on twitter on actually, you know, you can go follow us on twitter if you want to, or you can find us on tune in or Stitcher, YouTube all the places and one other thing please please please please if you can't support us, but even if you can support us, please go to wherever you get your podcasts whether that's iTunes, Stitcher Unknown 1:12:19 pocket casts Google Play wherever and leave us a five star review. And that would be much appreciated and help people find the podcast because we've had a whole bunch of growth lately. And I'm not really sure where it came from. Exactly. Unknown 1:12:31 Sorry. I keep like halfway coughing and trying to Unknown 1:12:35 curb it back in. It doesn't come out very well. Well, well. Well, Unknown 1:12:37 if you were under the Unknown 1:12:40 tutelage of Jim alum, who was one of my instructors back in the 70s you would be got you would have gotten a lot of for this for this week. Unknown 1:12:50 Yes, I'm sure I am sure I keep trying to hit mute when it happens. But sometimes I miss so what's this about this discord thing down here? What is this all about? Alright, well Unknown 1:13:00 discord a is how we record the show because it has incredible audio quality. It sounds amazing and has made my life editing the podcast so much better. But then we also have what would be considered a registry batter server. And lately, a whole bunch of new people have signed in so we can talk and as the conversations as more people join, I'll start segmenting out rooms instead of just having general banter. But it seems to me Larry, that our people need a place to talk to each other about their issues and I don't want it to turn into a bitch session all day long but to provide encouragement anything like that I don't know where else are people can go to have a forum to communicate with each other with people that know about us to make sense I don't either so come to Discord. sign in, you can be completely anonymous. You don't have to leave an email address. You don't have to do anything. You can make some bs name if you want to somebody named two plus two. Unknown 1:14:00 Two equals five. That is his name. I have no idea who he is. I know up in New in New England somewhere and so yeah and I'm on it all day because I have a whole bunch of other discord servers that I'm associated with but I'm in there all day I have it on my phone and I will know that you're talking and if you want to ask a question if you want to leave a story idea or anything like that come hang out good times. Sounds good yep i like it and like i said i mean the sound quality for the podcast is amazing I like it a lot so phone let's do one on for next week and then say people Unknown 1:14:33 yeah we'll do the intro so it'll be you know recording live and it'll sound like it's in a little tin can and I'll shallow Oh, so with all that press stop on the record. Thank you very much. I appreciate it very much. And I hope you have a great rest of the weekend. Right. Thanks. I Transcribed by https://otter.ai