Andy  0:00  
Recording live from FTP studios, east and west, transmitting across the internet. This is Episode 65 of registry matters. Larry, Saturday night? Are you out partying or what?

Larry  0:11  
I'm fixing to be

Andy  0:13  
fixed into that. Does that mean you're broken at the moment,

Larry  0:17  
though, for those of you who are not from the south, when you're fixing to do something that's in the final preparation, stages of taking a deliberate act

Andy  0:26  
on this particular subject it, there's a colloquialism in Louisiana New Orleans that they say they're going to go make groceries and I still too late for the life of me. I have never figured out how that works. I don't know that one.

Larry  0:39  
But I know fixing to do things is like if you were getting ready to go the story I'm fixing to the store I'm fixing go the mall is just as you're getting the final preparation to undertake the action.

Andy  0:49  
And here's here's another one that bothered me. And then, you know, you look it up in the dictionary. You're like, okay, you're right. But someone would say, Yeah, man, I've been down a minute. I'm like, I like a minute. How, how did you get to that? You've been locked up for 10, whatever number of years and you say, Yeah, but done a minute. I don't. I couldn't figure out how that reference worked. I looked it up in the dictionary and a minute literally means an unspecified period of time. I was like, oh, oh, okay. I guess I guess that works.

Unknown  1:24  
I don't

Andy  1:24  
think I've heard that one either. Yeah, that one that one bothers me. And then Okay, since we're here I will give you the final one that drives me absolutely off a cliff and someone says hey man, you know I was over there with my buddy and we were conversation I was like Converse sating really not conversing conversation. I've heard that one. That one drives me absolutely off a cliff.

Larry  1:48  
I've heard that one

Andy  1:49  
so what's what else is up any any interesting, like hotel showerhead stories or anything like that?

Larry  1:55  
Oh, no hotel stories. Just one of my learned that one of my favorite singers had passed away. And I was listening to the old fashioned radio, and they like, play his best song. And then they said in he's no longer with us anymore. Who? Who's this?

Oh, that's Freddie heart. Who?

Freddie

Andy  2:15  
heart. I have never heard of such a person. Tell me who like I guess I let me Google Freddie heart and see what I come up with. Tell me about Freddie heart. Why look it up.

Larry  2:25  
He was a country singer. And he he performed a lot of the 60s and 70s on TV. And he had a great song called easy Levin. And I just thought he was the best singer one of the best country singers. So

Andy  2:39  
So what was that TV show with the woman that wear the hat that had the little tag hanging off of it? Something something Pearl, Minnie Pearl, like I was like,

Larry  2:49  
okay, he did he perform on here? I'm sure he did. I didn't watch all those episodes. Oh,

Andy  2:55  
okay. Hang on. I got I got a YouTube clip. So let's look I can't even imagine what this is going. Be like.

Are you serious layer?

Larry  3:04  
That's pretty hard.

Andy  3:08  
Listen, the

Unknown  3:08  
Steel Guitars man

Unknown  3:11  
this is terrible. How old was pretty hard.

Larry  3:15  
It was only not

Andy  3:16  
only 91. So this guy is like, this guy is younger than you are now.

Oh my god, I can't I can't do this kind of music. Man.

This is terrible. In my opinion, for whatever that's worth right. So we don't take a takedown notice.

Larry  3:37  
But But I didn't even hear about I can't imagine that he got a past unbeknownst to me. Because usually people that have some standing when they when they leave the world we get an announcement and I don't remember hearing this but it was like an October

Andy  3:50  
Oh you mean it like that? You mean like you didn't just here today? Like he he kicked it he kicked it

Larry  3:56  
yeah it was like they like played the song there they said this tribute to the late Friday heart you know he's no longer with us. I said ha

Andy  4:05  
I didn't even know he was sick

Larry  4:09  
turned out it was like last fall and like I said he was he was only 91

Andy  4:14  
well then let's take a moment of silence to remember the late great Freddie heart and that's enough of that

Larry  4:23  
let's start playing records of the registry matters podcast

Andy  4:27  
if it's like that man. I quit I wouldnt totally bailing out of this. I will not do any production work or anything like that. If we start playing that old kind of 60s Country Music

well we did we did get a up Hank in Nebraska were like four people 12 people. It's something like that. How many people live up there and many, many, many, many thanks to Hank double it is Patreon edge and that you know what that just gives me a core Bassam Larry

Larry  4:57  
what is a Patreon?

Andy  4:58  
ej me totally messing up the word Patreon and then adding in a to make it like patronage. But so a Patreon edge. That's my new word. Right.

Larry  5:08  
Well, thank you. Thank you, Hank. And as I've explained you before, how is it that there's only 12 people, but they back 100,000 every every home game and Lincoln when they have the Cornhuskers play and they've done that since 1961.

Andy  5:22  
The answer is is a lot of digital work in like during the game that it's like almost like watching the matrix which you've probably never seen. These are not real people they're just little digital representations of things Sure. Imagination oh

Larry  5:35  
well tell the people are stuck in traffic and think of that is that it's all imagination because

I've heard it's really quite congested around that stadium

Andy  5:46  
and then we did receive an email message I guess it was a voicemail message excuse me from Charles asking if there is there any update I were not in our saw but you'll you should have something to go on from here is there any update on ourselves attempt to get Facebook to allow registrants to be on their platform

Larry  6:04  
only thing updating is it's not likely likely to happen

they took so much heat when when they initially took a strong stand that the Facebook's open to everyone but then the news media bash them and they took a lot of heat from politicians saying they can't believe that the something that's open to minors would be would be so reckless disregard the safety of the community so I don't see them going back home. And I think the only thing that would change that would be a court decision but I don't see Facebook management now you're welcome to try your way that I don't want discourage people from from contacting Facebook management but I just don't see that they would be willing to take the heat

Andy  6:46  
and unless some sort of entity became if there were some public private partnership of a social media platform that you know it's not censorship because because Facebook can do what they want but if it works government owned product that then then we would at least have some sort of constitutional claim over freedom of speech squashing

Larry  7:06  
I think right possibly if if they if they were you would have to evolve to the point was considered like a utility right now the utility has to serve all everyone in their territory as long as they don't owe them horrendous debts or if they're if they are like physically can't serve them like if they're beyond the reach of their of their surface area but you know, if you're if you're a ball off the grid and you don't want to pay the fee but if you want to pay the fee they'll serve you when your ball off the grid for less less customer him but but but until until until the till we evolved to believing that Facebook as a as a utility and that it's compulsory to serve people I just don't have a lot of optimism that's going to change or public attitude changing Do you see public attitude changing

Andy  7:52  
I hear things from people often and maybe based on the articles you know like the decision at Alabama made be there is some sort of swaying of the opinion more people being affected by this through family and friends and whatnot that maybe there's

i don't know i It seems that some people are going to forever say they need to be like there's no torture bad enough for for people convicted of these various crimes. But some people are just like, you know, hey, it wasn't as bad as it sounds. I don't know. It seems like it almost even gets more bifurcated similar to what our politics has done

Larry  8:33  
well, it's it's we just did our booth that Mexico capital and we generally have a pretty good

feedback from people who visit but there were a couple who visited who said basically what you just said that that there was nothing torture would be bad enough for those kind of people. So we did have some we did have some evil people who made evil comments. I won't say there were evil people, but people who made very disparaging comments about our exhibit,

and we're going to be back Tuesday exhibiting again. So whoever you are just they were we were going to be back.

Andy  9:10  
You know, this is a halfway decent segue. This isn't on the scripted, but we talked about it yesterday or today about the pretty famous r&b singer that has been brought up on charges again of various indiscretions. And I shared with you that I saw a video and I'm pretty sure it's the same person. And he was he had someone from the audience come up, come up on stage, and while he was singing a song, he was like, practically making out with the girl

getting all up, enter, and you know, Dragon fingernails across her neck, just do an all of those things that seem sexy and whatnot. And he does his little song and is kind of danced around or whatever. And at the end of it, he asked for her name. And she says her name and it goes How old are you? And she says, she's 17. And while I get that there's a certain line where you cross where it's a child versus a you know, a young adult versus an adult versus age of consent. I get all those lines but that particular female was up on that stage and was probably ridiculously excited that she was getting the attention of a 40 something year old r&b artist who you know he's been around forever and she was excited tickled pink that he was showing her attention but I'm sure her dad would be like that man is touching my daughter and that's my that's my daughter and she's beyond and she's going to be pure until the day she's married like

when I know when do we move to some level of reality that kids have sex

Larry  10:43  
i don't know i don't see it coming I see I see I was headed the other direction that they're perpetually wanting to raise age of consent and they want they want to they want to make sex for more taboo i don't i don't i don't see us headed that direction. It's bizarre man.

Andy  11:00  
It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre to me that the through for whatever reason girls are hitting mature like reproductive ages sooner firing up hormones. Boys are hitting hormone ages at 12 or whatever that number is, you know, it varies. But like the gears are in motion. And the desires are there. You can't just say, don't do it. You can't put on chastity belt because things will break the chastity belt. Oh, they will. I can almost guarantee like any anything that you put in, you know, I mean, if you say don't do it, that makes good like, Don't smoke, Hey, kids are going to go smoke, don't drink. Kids are going to go drink because you've said don't. It makes no sense to me.

Larry  11:39  
Just play with you. Of course.

Andy  11:40  
I know. I know. I know. I know. Sorry. Well, James wrote in and James said I was unsuccessful trying to sleep tonight because of back pain and itching. So I began thinking about this decision. It came from a federal court, which means that it carries the weight of federal law the same laws from the government that make your passports if it is no longer permitted to place the words sex offender on an Alabama driver's license. Then the same ruling should apply to passports I kind of like where he's going. They're there they are both forms of identification one state and the other federal, of course, Alabama will appeal the decision but it is hard to deny the judges reasoning behind his ruling. This is one judge that really knows what's going on and isn't afraid to stick his neck out and try and fix the problem too bad there aren't more like Him. The federal government has no jurisdiction in any other country that being the case the federal government has no business whatsoever informing other countries of a person status as a sex offender I have no objections to the monitoring of sex offenders inside of the US as long as it remains in law enforcement hands but the government has no jurisdiction another country and therefore no reason or responsibility to inform other countries about your status that is there's a lot there to unpack and I do see the logic where he's going there between the federal side on the passports in Alabama that you know we have the AI ml stuff with your passport tell me what you think right there's a lot here and

Larry  13:04  
i do i do i do agree with where he's trying to go but he's kind of got a lot of it wrong the the the judge didn't say you could mark the driver's licenses of the judge in Alabama case said you could market in that matter

Andy  13:21  
yeah he said there was there was a there was a lower standards because other states were putting just one little letter or some quarter sort of cryptic code they could have gone that route they chose not to to shame you

Larry  13:32  
yes and at a passport I know this is gonna be Earth shaking the some of the people who this is a duration to a passport is not a part of your daily life right a driver's license pretty much yes yes either driver's license or our governmental issued identification document is pretty much essential for life in these United States yeah try doing your banking try to doing anything without a form of identification so we're international travel is is

gonna we're going to get heat for this You have no right to be in a foreign country unless that country wants you there you have the right to be in the United States buying groceries you have the right to go to the public library or you should have that right you have the right to go the bank and cash a check and salted the the analogy is just not quite there. But uh. But he's he's he's in the vicinity of video is a form of compelled speech, which is what the attorney in California argued that it was compelling the individual to carry the government's message. And it's a lot so there's a parallel there. But then it begins to fall apart and other ways about the United States having no no duty to notify another country when I don't guess we have a duty to. But we certainly have the opportunity to engage in relationships with other countries where we share criminal criminal records and tell the other countries who are criminals are. And I'm just wondering if James will be intellectually honest and say he would be happy to have people come in the United States with no vetting with that with countries having information about them. But they refuse to turn over to us. And if he would say, Mr. President, we don't need to do an extreme vetting people that just present themselves to our borders to be able to come in and if he can answer that he's comfortable with that, then then we would have intellectually honest position, but for United States to say we would like to have you provide as much information about people who are coming here, and we'll do the same for you. You may not like that. But I can't find anything unconstitutional about sharing information with another country. I mean, I've struggled and struggled and struggled and no one has been able to convince me that there's something unconstitutional about sharing records. I'm just I'm just having trouble finding

Andy  15:46  
that and it's it's not an assertion, it's a factual claim. I mean, the person was convicted of a thing. Oh,

Larry  15:53  
yes. And that that's going to get to that. But the marking on the passport, it doesn't say sexual offender, it says this person has been convicted pursuant to blah, blah, blah, section, I forget what it is. I don't have in front of me. But but it's on the endorsements at the back of the passport. It's not the same thing as being on the top line and bold letters. And was it red or orange that they have a precise Yeah, yes. So so but but it looks like he's he's headed the right direction. But but it but it breaks down in terms of country sharing information. I can't find anything wrong with that from a constitutional perspective.

Andy  16:29  
Yeah, I understand what you're saying there on TV. But another thing he says, Do you think that it's like a big deal that the judge quote unquote, stuck at his next trying to fix the problem?

Larry  16:39  
Well, he certainly he certainly stuck his neck out to my knowledge, this is the first rivaling of its kind, I generally know or someone has informed me about these things that I can't, I can't

on earth and the other incidents. So he's definitely stuck his neck out there, we'll see what the 11th circuit does with it. Cuz it's almost certain that Alabama would appeal I mean, they've got to retool all their processes, and they've got to reduce your licenses. And they've got to stop doing this. And they're not going to want to stop doing this until they know that they have to. And I would be surprised even if they lose at the 11th circuit, they would that they would probably fall petition with the US Supreme Court. And that is,

Andy  17:18  
you know, like back to back weeks. So we had the, the, the statement made by the Attorney General in Michigan, and then this decision, like completely different states, completely different operations as far as where they fit into the, to the hierarchy of the government. And we were just saying at the top of the program, that is, are the attitudes of the public changing, and here we are with two things that are very similar to each other back to back maybe,

Larry  17:46  
well, if it's if it's changing, it's not not not discernible enough that I can measure it. Yeah, I mean, there are people changing their their, their people changing, people are recognizing that they're not all all from the same cloth. But what the day I dream for is that they will be say that the whole the whole thing is not right to put someone on a humiliation list after they've paid their debt to society, particularly after they pay the debt. I would want to do it anybody, but particularly after they've paid their debt to society. That's just our American. Yeah,

Andy  18:17  
let's move on and listen to a voicemail message from a new listener.

Unknown  18:23  
Hello, registry matters. The problem stems from how my federal probation is handled. I was charged with possession of child pornography, and I will, but upon my release, my custody is in Ohio, and this is where I live. I've been on federal probation for a year as of today, and they continue to use Missouri State I live no ties in Iowa. So my question is a Is there a way to refuse to sign these waivers without losing my home at likes to be able to challenge I might like to have a hearing and be is there still a surface split regarding access to computers and the internet and simple possession case?

Andy  19:01  
Thank you for your time. Wow. Even even listening to it for the second time I'm still and even knowing about it like talking about it over discord for a handful of days. It's still a little confusing What's going on? Do you have enough to like start formulating some ideas

Larry  19:16  
I would feel more comfortable if he clarified when he says waivers. I'm thinking I know what he's talking about. But but I'm not sure what I suspect or having him sign agreements to abide by conditions that he was not aware of. At the time he has his sentence was imposed I believe so yeah,

but maybe he'll wave privacy to his telephone just compete or to all this kind of stuff. And if he doesn't, that they'll ship it back to Iowa and that's what it sounds like to me.

Andy  19:50  
And that sounds like that would be tortured almost unto itself.

Larry  19:55  
Best thing for him to do would be to be for since he's in the federal system would be to for him to contact is local federal defender there where he's living and find out find out what the lay of the land is in terms of how the federal courts that because there's an issue of whether the jurisdiction for the case itself has been transferred to the district in Ohio, which see the fans can do that the states can if you're serving probation and Georgia, they can transfer the supervision responsibility to Colorado but they can't transfer the court jurisdiction to Colorado the court right I'll rattle never has jurisdiction over you, the Florida Georgia does a court Colorado can only do what the interstate contract says, which is told you without bond if Georgia wants to violate you, and then you go back to Georgia after you've had a probable cause hearing to determine if you're going to be revoked. In the case of the Federal as I understand it, and I'm not a I'm not an expert in federal practice practitioner, because I've seldom network with lawyers or federal cases. But my understanding is you can actually transfer the jurisdiction of the case from or the person was sentenced to a federal judge in the dualistic in the jurisdiction where you're living and if the jurisdiction has been moved them the Federal Defender there and Ohio should be able to motion that court there in Ohio to to to adjust his conditions and supervision because it would be by Les opinion that if the probation officer gives you conditions they're valid until they've been removed right because they have they have broad broad authority to impose conditions on people that are reasonably related to the underlined offense that don't do lead restrict their liberty and we're designed for the safety protection of the community and that will sort all of those things they'll say that they were narrowly tailored it he's he's got a porn conviction therefore he was online so therefore we need to be boundaries inner internet they'll say we're not restricting him naked have a monitored we're offering him to have a sign a waiver so that we can carefully monitor him so we're not gonna we're not going to totally cut him off we're just going to monitor very closely and they're going to say that this is for the protection that can be empty that's what they're going to say

I agree with it but that's what they're going to say

Andy  22:08  
I guess we can circle back to this isn't the world that way it should be this is the way the world is be

Larry  22:12  
that is exactly what I would expect them to do. But I think that he'd be a lot better off talking to a federal defender there in Ohio where he's living called the Federal Public Defender's Office and and explain their situation and perhaps they will advise him they're usually a little bit nicer the federal system because they have greater resources they don't have 194 cases for for lawyer and they'll they they often will let the person talk to an intake attorney of duty attorney that's all duty for that day so it's usually a little bit easier to talk to a federal more than it is that when you're in the state system because the feds have greater resources they can run trillion dollar budget deficits most states not allowed to do that

Andy  22:54  
then you're not poking fun at anything Are you

Larry  22:57  
oh no just at the budget deficit two years Let's leave that at all um. I I can't help myself

Andy  23:08  
a listener in on discord chat said the judge in my case said I could have a computer before and after prison the PO through a bitch fit and then had the judge change it leaving it up to the treatment provider just just to go along with what you were just saying about this the voicemail message

Larry  23:26  
you know that that that that can happen because the judge the judges tend to be highly deferential to the supervising authorities when I tell them hold on wait say that they're the experts supposedly so so I'm not surprised that the judge would write in the the condition when the probation people said well this was to judge this is how we typically handle that so and this we prefer that that has been carefully monitored into discretion of the treatment okay i'm not saying it's right but I'm not surprised right right right right

Andy  23:56  
and you know what else is pretty fun Larry is to to capture sure a case that is a prescient on our issue in real time

Larry  24:06  
it is it is

Andy  24:07  
so last week we played a clip and I'm going to play a portion of that clip again about the the the the actor that allege that he got the crap beat out of him

Larry  24:15  
that will end before we play

let's play a little let's tell people we didn't have any inside information right of course

we wait zero did on this story because a week ago when we when we recorded it was being alleged by the the the the the of the alleged victim of that assault of what the new son the beating was saying that he will found it very offensive that they were questioning him and doubting him and we will find that that's exactly what they should do so that we can play the clip to put it in context for anybody who wasn't listening last week of what he was saying

with this was from NBC Nightly News

Tonight we're hearing from the TV star the center of a story we've been following Jesse small at speaking out about the attack he says he suffered last month Ron mud has details pissed off

Unknown  25:08  
appearing with Robin Roberts for Thursday's Good Morning America Empire star Jesse small let striking back at those questioning his account of being attacked near his Chicago apartment last month, is it the the attackers occurs, but it's also the attacks it's like, you know, at first it was a thing of like, Listen, if I tell the truth, then that's it. Because it's truth.

Unknown  25:34  
Then it became a thing of like, oh, how can you doubt that? Like, how do you how do you not believe that it's the truth

Andy  25:42  
he was. So we got you sent me this clip like maybe last Thursday. So we can two days ago, somewhere in that ballpark, you told me to capture this clip. And at the time, you know, 12 days ago or whatever it may be 10 days ago, we didn't know anything. And then sometime mid week, things started to completely unravel that he was supposedly like hanging out with two people that may have been the assailants like a couple hours before then I think there may have even been some video of him paying them some money, or at least there was some credit card or bank transactions that indicated some things going on.

Larry  26:16  
Well, he's been charged by the by the state authorities and potentially facing federal charges now, but the allegation now is that he arranged the assault and paid 30 $500 and wrote out a check for the 30 so so as a general rule, I would encourage anybody who's going to do anything to not write a personal check out that just doesn't seem like the license practice but he paid for that but what What irritates me is that I'm trying to preach about the analogy of just because someone accuses doesn't mean it's true. And just because the police did their job, which I wish they would do, in all cases, including sexual offenses. accusation, they,

they told him that we need evidence, and your statement isn't checking out. And they express doubt and somehow know there's a victims advocate say that that is re victimizing someone, no boys and girls, it is not re victimizing a person, because the the prosecution has attempted to use the analogy I use all the time to put the person in a cage. And cages are not fun to live in for extended periods of time. And we need to have evidence, substantial evidence before we put a person in a cage. So therefore, yes, we should be sorry for you that you were victimized and you had a noose around your neck. And in a case where that really happened. In this case, it didn't really happen. It was made up. But we have to still tell you that we need evidence, we need solid evidence. And that's what the whole point of this world will put this on last, because you're not victimizing a person to ask for evidence. Say I have to hunt for evidence to substantiate what you are alleging. Well, the evidence wasn't, there was actually the evidence was there. In this case, the evidence was was on Earth, that demand was lying for whatever his motivations were. And they speculate they didn't think he was earning enough money 65,000 or an episode was not enough. And then they said it was 130,000 episode. That's not enough. But whatever his motivations are, he caused a lot of harm. He caused a lot of people to put in laborious amounts of time chasing ghosts and goblins, when they're serious crimes happening all over Chicago that weren't investigated because of the distraction plus, he called and that caused a national uproar about racism, which is a legitimate thing that happens in this country still today, but this was not it. I mean, this is just so tragic that he would do such a thing. But the lesson to take from it is that people do lie about things that they say that happened

Andy  28:59  
to them. I have a question. Remember who you keep saying a word that starts with the letter E, the second letters of V, I think, and this word is completely foreign to me evidence. What is this word?

Larry  29:10  
Well, it used to be a part of our criminal justice system, we used to have to have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. And now all of a sudden, the last 1015 years is just simply the person saying something right, the person saying something is evidence, an eyewitness account is a component of evidence. But it's not corroborated if that's all there is. And for putting people in cages, I would like a little bit of cooperation. Right? I just I just and I know it's not physically possible in some cases if someone is in certain circumstances it'll be very difficult to produce evidence at the that's how the priests managed to do their thing for decades on end without eating without me without coming to surface because all the evidence that existed was the boys by large it was boys who weren't believe because How dare you make such a such an allegation against father Martin

Andy  30:13  
Yes, he does so many things for the community etc, etc. that all in that little clip that we played I mean, he's like really like stepping out there saying like, you guys are a bunch of assholes for for thinking that I would like Why would I lie?

Larry  30:27  
Well, that's the whole point of it is that people there are so many reasons why people tell on true statements and make true allegations and make statements about people and we could begin to unpack all the reasons why people do it we will probably never know why he did it he says at least the police say he said the Commissioner of Police gave like a 17 minute statement Friday and he's dissatisfied with his earnings but how can we take him at his word that that says true motivation because he's already proven to be a pathological liar How could we will never know what his motivation was

Andy  31:01  
and describe to me from your point of view if someone has then been like they make this allegation so they have lied once and now they go and you know the you find out that they lied about what they were saying if they then come clean Do you then believe them

Larry  31:16  
that's my point I don't think you can believe I mean he's he's apparently given state given a statement to police which is not the wisest thing to do but he's apparently done that and hopefully it was a council decision right not something you did independently because what once he's on accused person then my job if we were coming to based to make sure that they don't conflict it

make sure that they follow the rules so we quickly flip to the other side but but he made he made these statements I don't know how you can I don't know how you can take and give any credibility to statements he's made because he was emphatically I just told the truth Well, clearly that was not the truth Yeah, yeah. You people don't levy Well yeah,

Andy  32:01  
shame on you. Shame on you. You should believe me Because I said so.

Well Well

Larry  32:06  
hopefully hopefully we'll look at this and Duke lacrosse on the team and the they the McMartin preschool and we can go on and on with unsubstantiated allegations that turned out to be crap and we can start telling the victims advocates. Sorry, there are some things that happen in life that will go unprosecuted that's just the reality of an imperfect world we wish it didn't happen but it's going to happen

right well let's

Andy  32:38  
yeah I have no I have

people want the victim like you would want if you are the victim of a crime and you've even described that you are the victim of a crime you would want the thing to be resolved and you feel slighted if you're you're being the victim you don't get resolution from it in a way that teams u haul whatever that even but sometimes if someone punches you in the face LIKE if there's no evidence and you just have a bruise on your face and you can't DNA sample like you know find out the exact punch marks and then go get finger knuckle prints to match things up I mean there's just there's just no way to prove the case and you just have to go on and pull your pants back up and figure out how to live on

Larry  33:22  
and that's not something victims want to hear that you know excuse me Allah survivors as myself which I which I really hate that term

to be survivor board we're going off on tangents tonight whatever the articles but the the term for survivor survivor to me what would be in a situation where the odds were against you surviving you have a car crash the cars mangled and they use the jaws of life to extract you and you survived it. You're on the Titanic and there's only one lifeboat you've you've had with the sharks for three hours before your rescued you survived that? Well, because you're a victim of a crime. Only a small number of crimes result in people physically die.

So unless you've been tortured physically, and they've been cutting holes in your body and you've been losing blood. I mean, you're you're a victim of a crime. But do they have a sex assault survivor? Oh, well, what's your sexual assault? Well, I was 17 and there was 24 year old and he certainly alcohol we had said, well, you're gonna die from having the sex where you're

Andy  34:36  
sensitive asshole. That's what it comes down to. is you're just an insensitive something.

Larry  34:43  
So I to me. It did. It did beads, the is anything that they do, like, it demeans it's like calling something rape it isn't rate rate would be a horrible thing to have someone forcibly enter your body.

But to say that someone who is having consensual sex in a jail house and the the the two parties were in their 20s or 30s and to call that rate that is not rape. It's inappropriate sexual conduct.

But to me, it means to call someone or survivor when you were no danger of being dead. To me. That means people who survived horrific things that the people who how many years was that girl held in California? Oh, yeah, I was

Andy  35:30  
totally thinking about the three girls in Chicago or something like that held held by the guy named caster, that they were like shackled to the floor for 20 years or some ridiculous number. I'm like, and then there was the girl that was in the tent in the backyard and probation even came by on a number of occasions.

Larry  35:44  
And I like that that's those are survive. that's those are survivors. Yes. Those are survivors. You know, the person who jumps out of an airplane with a parachute doesn't open and they managed to walk away with just subscribe Tessa survivor,

Unknown  35:57  
they land on a flock of seagulls. And that breaks the phone. They pick themselves up.

Larry  36:02  
But But someone who wakes up and somebody was in their house and build a night and they looted them. They didn't survive. I guess they did survive anything. But they weren't no danger. Yeah, the threshold

Andy  36:14  
doesn't seem to be set very high. That the that that you're a survivor of something or the bar. So anyway, all right. Since we have like 45 dozen articles to cover. Let's get this first one

Larry  36:25  
there. There's going to go our ratings for sure. I know, of course,

Andy  36:29  
we keep trying to drive the numbers down and they keep going up. So maybe we should try harder.

This first article comes from the AJC so the Atlanta Journal Constitution and I can I'm going to split the fence on this one. There are really good like strategic points and these are things that you have told me a bazillion times but this particular politician if there was ever somebody to give politicians a bad name this guy is doing it really well. The title of the article sorry a legend I mean first man so

Larry  37:05  
I don't see a problem but go ahead. All right.

Andy  37:08  
You don't see a problem with the guy okay. So alleged victim say powerful Georgia lawmaker repeatedly delays cases. And there's the point that you're going to like, if you are going down the process of some sort of criminal accusation, your best defense is to delete everything as long as possible because people die, they retire, evidence disappears, stuff happens that helps you that is the side that you're going to take which is the best but this guy is using his political position. He's an attorney but he's also a state representative and he's using those saying oh well hey I've got a I've got to go meet the governor at this time in Savannah for drinks so I can't be on the court on the court roster so things get delayed and you've got people like going into the hospital with broken bones and whatnot and this guy gets probation for like these anyway so yeah this guy and he but he's like you're buying your freedom so this guy charges whatever they say $20,000 for him to represent you and all he does is just just put up a wall and nothing ever then moves forward because he's a state level representative and something in the Georgia law says that he can delay his attorney duties because he's a lawmaker

Larry  38:23  
the devil's they already what I found this article I loved it because it covers so many things they expect big that the for those are not at Georgia the Atlanta Journal Constitution is largest paper and at least when I was there Web TV to is stop the news rankings. So they may still be but what those two entities doing a joint investigation this is not going to end well for Mr. Walston who's the speaker the Georgia House that's not gonna end well for him they're gonna end up having to make changes in my estimation to for the rules but they have pretty lacks rules about what constitutes legislative business and big speaker speaker theoretically would have more responsibilities because they have some administrative duties as well as as being a representative and so he's exploited that by by

getting continuous have to continuous for his clients and the one that gave the interview that said that he paid it deliberately for the 20,000 to me that that's like a goofy i mean

i don't know why the hell you'd be dumb enough to do something like that because why would you tell a newspaper reporter that I'm deliberately gaming the system right that's going to work out really well for you if you get convicted at some point in the future that is it's not

Andy  39:37  
like before we we talked about it halfway regularly some states you know super duper large population California's got to be one where it's a year round legislative process but George's not one of those it's just two or three months out of the year so like you could be an attorney the rest of the time right

Larry  39:54  
well well well if Georgia does like I think they think they probably have interim functions when they're not in general session or special session and and they have committees that are that are that are meeting at other points during the year and then he uses his administrative responsibilities to he's he's probably in the gray area but the last the last that's just like you know five that allow maker has to be excused if they requested and that's all he's doing is only half of his clients as requested they said one case after nine years,

Andy  40:28  
right, right. Yeah, I did. I read the whole article. But that that goes to your point of like, if you can delay do nothing to go for your your constitutional right of a speedy trial, because shit happens that would go in your favor,

Larry  40:42  
there's very few cases where for a speedy trial serves your benefit. Now, if you're sitting in prison, you're paying the price if you're ready to pre trial. And so the tables are shifted a little bit when you're in custody. But if you're on a bond, there is absolutely no reason you that I can think you'd want your case to be resolved. But people call all the time Oh, I can't take this anymore. So you know, obviously guilty time but but the case degrades over time. And it's interesting in the article that they that the prosecution acknowledges that their ability to prosecute is the greatest but they never make the same acknowledge but that the ability to defend in certain circumstances it's also degraded in the cases where no evidence is required which a sexual sexual allegations then the the ability it chefs where it doesn't really help the accused because you if you only got to have one witness, and as long as they can get that one witness there, and if that's all that's required, and some statutes say Well, that's all that's required is just that you can convict only on the accusation little That's enough,

the people that would help you and your defense

that would vouch for where you might have been they may be dad are no longer available. So it works both ways to the prosecution never mentions is that it's it can it can degrade their cases, it can also degrade the fans and I'd be I'd be happy if they meet us halfway and say, yes, it degrades both sides cases, if we have delayed justice, therefore, we should not abolish the statute limitations because that gives us an unfair advantage on prod one final fitness decades old.

Andy  42:15  
One final thing before we move on is they listed a whole bunch of people, to me, it seems you know, they're going down the line of people that would be involved in these kinds of cases. And until the like the last one the like, the judge in that area says, well, any cases continued for legislative leave on my calendar is were continued based on proper request, it feels like okay, he is in cahoots with the guy the Appalachian circuit district attorney said that as quickly as these cases can be tried, would certainly be ideal complicit, I believe, if there were any concerned about a case being unnecessarily delayed that that my office or the judges would address that through the proper legal channels. It's like everyone is just like, whatever, we're we're complicit, we don't really care that to me. That's how it feels that these actions little statements go

Larry  43:02  
well, it's a speaker of the house is not someone you would really want to speak out against very much if you were smart,

right, of course, of course, of course session.

And I suspect the Georgia courts are funded by the Georgia General Assembly. And I suspect that you'd like to get people to go crashing against the speaker over at the it's one of those unfortunate things, but I suspect they'll have to modify that and tighten up the amount of leeway they can give them and they'll probably narrow it down to their either and session or a special session and when they're not in session, they're probably won't be able to get continuous

Andy  43:41  
this next article comes from save services. org no idea what this is. The title is states take the lead in making campus due process the law of the land and I guess this comes on the heels of the various different push back and pull back from the the the campuses where there's an allegation made and then there's a kangaroo court on the court on the on the school side versus do you make an actual like, let's run it through the full court process, possibly running people, you know, putting him through the ringer of going through the actual court process, you know, alleging things and then putting people on the registry and kicking people out of school now you false allegations, all that to try and standardize something. So there's a bunch of bills going through houses of at the state level, trying to make this into a more fair process. And the first paragraph the last little sentence that says the states are working to establish policies designed to assure due process protections for both complaints of sexual assault and the accused students.

Larry  44:40  
That's amazing that we're we have to have this conversation but like I said, several several podcasts that that the rules that were being forced upon the colleges that receive federal funding under the previous administration, I thought went too far. And I think that the President administration has tried to restore some semblance of balance. So there

Andy  45:01  
could you just say something good about the current administration?

Larry  45:04  
Yes, I occasionally do.

Unknown  45:05  
Hang on, I gotta write that down. I'll be right back.

Larry  45:08  
I like to people who've never could find anything good to say about the previous administration. But I have I've said multiple times. And I think that that there, they've tried to restore some balance in that process. But you don't know how long this administration is going to be in power, we could have a different administration in 2021, which is, which, to me, it's a good thing that the states are taking the lead, because there shouldn't be due process for the students that are accused of this, I should not be a kangaroo court there should not be shielded from the person who's making the accusation. They don't get to know who it is, I don't get to offer evidence, I don't get to respond. That's not America. And I don't think we need to spend a whole lot of time on there. But I thought to know, good to point out to the states are taking lead.

Andy  45:49  
I do want to share though, that in in the time that I have been talking to you, I think that is probably the most important takeaway of your message is due process that you have representation, both sides present their evidence, and there's some kind of like, there's some sort of process it's not just somebody's opinion. And like, again, just some kind of due process, that would be the biggest takeaway that I think that you have pushed out to me that I've received.

Larry  46:16  
So kudos to the States,

Andy  46:19  
right. And this is from n w i times calm, which I have no, I mean, I guess it's Iowa or Indiana, excuse me, Indiana, excuse me, Northwest Indiana has got to be with us as Northwest Indiana calm and the title is a felony registry would enhance public access. So we have determined that these registries that we have, where you have your picture, and your address, your telephone number, and all your measurements and what's in your shoe size, we have determined that these things are incredibly effective. And we are going to then make one that if for any felony, you get to have your picture on a public website that people can just search your name and run with it. Right?

Larry  47:00  
I'll say a problem with it.

Andy  47:02  
All right, move on. This is garbage. This is garbage. Because like your felony record is already public. So now making it public or is like Why? Why do we need to take if you you got convicted of a crime? Why do you have to forever because the internet never forgets. Why do you have you have your your stuff listed out there for everyone to find you?

Larry  47:26  
Well, why did the Indiana Senate vote 42 nine to create? I know, right, excuse me to create the database? It doesn't say by public support is waning, does it

Andy  47:36  
No, it's certainly not that no.

Larry  47:39  
So all right, we'll move on. But that's that's an overwhelming level of support your fantasy.

Andy  47:46  
And that's just a couple weeks ago, and yeah, and 42 nine, that's not even. But you know, I don't know what we'll do in the house or anything like that. But yeah, so you know, we're committed committed, we are creating domestic violence registries, we're making pet registries we're making, you know, we're enhancing all the registries because you got to know who's living next door because you have that right, right.

Larry  48:10  
Well, I don't know. I agree. You have any right did I was next door, but

they do.

Andy  48:15  
Yes, of course. And I'm being facetious. So don't take a clip of this and say, Andy said it, he believes in registries. I'm being I'm joking. The Wichita Eagle. Go ahead. That's

Larry  48:26  
how that's how we named our network because of that. Five, what you said what muscles to tell them when they come to the door. I said, What do you think you have a right once you start go clip?

I have a right to know who's in this house and find out what happens.

Andy  48:41  
And the answer is FYI, p. s, right.

Larry  48:43  
That would be the answer I think most people would give you

Andy  48:46  
I don't think that that's the answer that most people would give you. I think people would like Oh, really? Oh, well. Hey, why don't you come on in and take a tour? Would you like some cookies? How about some coffee and tea?

Larry  48:57  
Oh, this one This article is is

poor it to me because of where it's headed. The statute limitations. This is what that's what this is.

Andy  49:09  
Okay. This is the Wichita Eagle. So Wichita, Kansas, possibly Montana, Montana, it says kansas.com

Larry  49:18  
Well, the the article is talking about the Montana case before the Supreme Court. It does

Andy  49:23  
say the latest on Montana cases before the Supreme Court. So apparently, this is Montana

ready.

Larry  49:32  
So the the,

the Attorney General of Montana would like to be able to prosecute old crimes. And unfortunately he has a statute of limitations. And he he sought to charge a guy named Robert Tipton for 1987, right, based on new DNA to have DNA evidence, and the Supreme Court rejected that attempt. So now he's asking the lawmakers to repeal the statute limitations because of the you're not required to have a statue of limitations. But if it's all the books, and you put your right hand on that Bible, I don't know how you can actually try to charge someone for an old case when the law does allow you to do that. But he did. Thanks to you. Good citizens in Montana, have elected elected him I'm sure we have at least one listener in Montana. But

his his beef is that since he can't win in the courts, he wants to have the courts overruled by the legislative process to get rid of statute limitations. And that's the battles going on all over the country, including in my state,

Unknown  50:38  
I still struggle

Andy  50:40  
I understand. But why if we have a new way, like the one of the reasons why you would have something like a seven year statute of limitations or some sort of finite number like that is because what are you going to do go find the house, you know, for other people have lived there, everything has been cleaned and all that, but fields and I know that DNA is not flawless. It's a statistical analysis, but it gets you pretty frickin close and we do turn around and we go exonerate somebody with DNA evidence who's been locked up for 30 years? And now you're free man or woman? Why, why wouldn't we then go both ways of will free somebody based on DNA evidence, then why wouldn't we go back and convict somebody with DNA evidence?

Larry  51:21  
Well, I think you've answered your own question. What's the way you framed it? If we've taken someone's freedom away and correctly and the states the states do fight those attempts to unravel convictions, tooth and nail, it's very rare that they want to let go of a conviction and let someone ever present but your freedom has been deprived. When you when you flip it over the other way, your freedom is a Jeopardy and yes, the DNA is probably accurate on who it belongs to. But what we don't know isn't it's 1987 case. We don't know how that DNA got there. We don't know why I could buy into the fact that it's his DNA. But those that would explain how the DNA would be legitimately there. We don't have access necessarily to them after all these decades later.

I mean, what would happen if you picked up a hitchhiker across the state of Georgia and they died in the next state over and your DNA was on them? And they said, Well, how did your DNA get there?

Andy  52:18  
Right? Yeah, you've told me that story you use that I was like, Oh, yeah, good point. Yeah. And I and I remember hearing something caught in that last handful of years where I want to say it was an Israeli company could fabricate your DNA and plant it somewhere. So now you can even validate that DNA evidence is anything more than some sort of voodoo magic?

Larry  52:39  
Well, I would be I would be hard pressed to want to put someone in a cage based on DNA alone. But but just what the proponents argue they argue that that justice shouldn't have an expiration date. And if we find evidence that wasn't available, we should be able to use that evidence not be barred by an expiration date. But they forget about the other components of the this 1987 case. All the other evidence is degraded that might be avail would have been available in a timely fashion where we talked about ASAP 9707, 1732

years ago.

Andy  53:16  
Yeah, a little while. It's been a minute

Larry  53:20  
so

but I would expect that being that this is the trend of the nation our Senate

two committees in our Senate have passed

a bill to the first effort was to make the the statute limitations go away for for crimes that occurred against miners have that fell within universal sexual offenses. And then they amended it to be 30, page 35 and that is on the Senate floor waiting for a vote. It's gotten through the committee process. And I don't see any reason why won't pass once it gets called up for a vote. So you're talking about someone at 10 years old, they get to their 30 be five. So they've got 25 years to bring forth an accusation. And and someone can be put into a cage for that for what the 10 year old says two and a half decades later

interesting recollection for the recollections of a 10 year old. But, but like say that was a compromise, they wanted just, in most instances like with an Illinois, they just totally abolished it after Hastert Dennis Hastert former speaker after his shenanigans I said

hell we don't need that at all. Didn't go to Maryland also. Oh, they did a long time ago. But with with with the doctrine Michigan but the ones that doctor's name the gymnastics doctor,

Andy  54:39  
Oh, Jesus, you had to say it

starts with an S i think NASA what

Larry  54:46  
the that's the that's the wave of the future is that we don't need justice doesn't have an expiration date. And that's the argument

Andy  54:56  
we have never covered. An article from barons and we will touch on this quickly. This is a this is an interesting position. I've heard. I heard an interview with one of the Koch brothers, and that's k o ch. These are oil Brasilia bajillion errs and they have they are they are funding massive, massive amounts of money into political campaigns across the country to try and drive the nation in the direction that they want to go. I mean, you know, I just that's we have, we have the best government money can buy. But specifically to this I heard an interview on a program called Freakonomics with him and he is very much or at least one of the two brothers I don't know if they're both on board with this they are very much interested in reintegrating felons former felons into society and here's where he was at a

conference and telling telling his conservative constituents and libertarians like when these people get out of jail they need places to work and you are the ones that can hire them and you guys can make a difference in these people's lives I've heard this from him like in my own ear balls I believe that he is genuine about this idea of reintegrating people back in

Larry  56:05  
that's that's why why zero down the article I do think it's the first Maryland's Oracle we've ever had but they also the coke political establishment they've realized that they should be a little bit less power so but they if you read the article careful they realized that funding the conservatives have led to the law and order policies now that I think you've gone too far and they're trying to be a little bit more balanced with with who they're who they're who their political machinery is funding and taking a more holistic view I guess is the way to put it but dem dem saying hard these ex convicts that's a good good move I mean it's hard to vilify conservative and like we said before on the previous podcast conserves can get away with doing things that liberals could never think of and vice versa depending on the issue you know,

if a republican president had tried to do the welfare reform in 96 he would have been vilified

Andy  57:00  
right and you're so right and there's one little one little segment in there so some of the people were hardline conservatives and to hear them say you know what, I need to rethink this that was just it was really giving me goosebumps Oh everyone just the group hug that's what we need to do

Larry  57:18  
so but yeah go go coke keep pushing the message out there that's a good thing

Andy  57:23  
absolutely

ready to be a part of registry matters get links at registry matters dot CEO, if you need to be all discreet about it, contact them by email registry matters that your treatment class about the podcast, we want to send out a big heartfelt support for those on the registry. Keep fighting without you. We can't succeed. You make it possible. This next article comes from slate and the Supreme Court just struck a huge unanimous blow against policing for profit. I you know what I ended up hearing about I can't remember which podcast it was. I've heard about this. This has been coming down the pike for a while, but a drug dealer, whatever state it was driving around in his Range Rover and it's worth 40 something thousand dollars. And he gets arrested for something pretty really small, something that that $40,000 Land Rover is 10 times worth what the actual charges are, you know what, fines and fees and so forth. But because of the way things were set up, but they can go see sees that Land Rover and that's Hey, sorry, dude, you're just screwed. Because you get to you get to forfeit that as part of your sentence. And the Supreme Court unanimously, which is really interesting said that the 14th amendment and then that applies now to the states to so I guess the part of this that still doesn't really quite all the way fit for me is the Eighth Amendment is where they can't give you access to fines and for features and things like that. But that doesn't necessarily apply at the state level. And the 14th amendment then makes it apply then. So here's a case that actually like solidified that condition,

Larry  59:04  
I think, I think so too. But I'm not an expert on this.

Andy  59:10  
But can you imagine, can you imagine getting pulled over for like, you know, a speeding ticket and some private entity comes in, says, Well, sorry, you get to forfeit your car because you ran a red light,

the states were allowed to do that, by my I know, I'm making an exaggerated extreme case. But

that is sort of how this went down because he used the vehicle to transport heroin. Therefore, the amount of heroin he may have been transporting was like 1000 bucks. But sorry, if you buddy, you get to forfeit your $40,000 car. So then my question to you, Larry, is that why we see police cars running around says this vehicle was donated by whatever, you know, some drug dealer so now we get driving on a Corvette

Larry  59:47  
I think so. And it's something we've been fighting here in my state with the help of of both Republican and Democratic lawmakers. It's it's wrong the But see, it sounded so good at the top when we were when we were in the middle of what we thought was the tidal wave of crime. This was touted as a way to punish the criminal was to seize the assets the fruits of the of the crime, so they got really Lucy goosey in terms of what they consider the food so what's that that's this vehicle. They, they they were they were alleging this was the fruits of the crime. And this all sounds good until you perversely incentivize law enforcement to focus on asset forfeiture and confiscation of people's assets. And then all of a sudden, when you have people who will lose in their cars and their property without being convicted folks across all of the political spectrum started waking up, say, well, that's not what we intended. We wanted to bad guys, we don't want our constituents that vote for us to be using their assets. And the DWI is the biggest example where where the that's that asset forfeiture was going crazy. But But these excessive I mean, that was that was an excessive fine $42,000 worth but you got the Supreme Court united and even Gorsuch though the the one of the two appointees of President Trump he scoffed apparently, if you read their the article, he kind of scoffed at the argument that the state was putting forward it was from Indiana and he kind of said, really, like spare me from having to listen to your crazy talk,

Andy  1:01:21  
right? Um, I don't remember if we covered it. And this is maybe a year maybe two years ago, there was a couple fairly young couple of, as I recall driving across the United States, they get pulled over for something not at, you know, a traffic citation kind of thing. And for whatever reason, they end up doing a search on the car and they find that they have $50,000 cash and the police said there's no legitimate reason that you'll be transporting $50,000 across the state or across you know, across the country on your travels. So we're going to seize the money and they were like what what are you doing and they seize the money and it took them an exorbitant amount of time to get that money back

Larry  1:02:00  
lucky they got it back

Andy  1:02:02  
I know but like UK the the home of the free the land of the brave blah blah blah do what you want were free nation because a cop just says smells like smell you know, for walks like a duck quacks like a duck you're transporting $50,000 You must be doing something wrong therefore I get to seize it and I

that seems like a little excessive policing right there to me

Larry  1:02:26  
I agree but thanks for this Supreme Court was unanimous maybe they'll send the message to the to the states

Andy  1:02:34  
all right we got to cover the Philly da Larry Krasner stop seeking bail for low level crimes here's what happened next dumped dum

Unknown  1:02:43  
dum it

Andy  1:02:44  
feels to me like this article is written from a bent saying this is some garbage we should not be doing this low bail money thing It feels like that but even throughout the whole article they never ever say that there have been any negative repercussions of him to have this if it's I think it's if it's less than $50,000 for the what the bail would normally be set at just like send them out on your own we're cognizant about it I thought

Larry  1:03:09  
it said 5000 but but yeah that's what it's showing that's a statistically the it's not Armageddon but there's a there was an industry that made their living off of Bail Bonds Do you think they're they're happy that they can't pay their bills now

Andy  1:03:22  
yeah I gotta I gotta think that the bail bonds people and I don't know how strong the lobby that they would have. They would probably be pretty p owed

Larry  1:03:29  
Absolutely. Would you destroy people's livelihood that you're not very popular.

Andy  1:03:34  
But why then? Okay, so this is this is this is not a zero sum game because if you want bondsman supports, I don't know how many criminals but or alleged crimes then you have is it 100 to one ratio? Is it 1000 to one so you put out people that would be working, you've let 1000 people whatever this number is, you've let those people go home and continue working continue family lives. Perhaps these other people have had problems and it's 100 or thousand to one ratio?

Larry  1:04:05  
Well, absolutely. The jail population has been cut. I think they said almost in half. Yes, dramatically. Anyway, it's so they're saving gobs of money and without indiscernible adverse effects so far, but it's

when you change the status quo. It's, it's, it's painful for people who who don't want to see it changed. We don't like having our cheese moved.

Andy  1:04:33  
I love that expression. I'm trying to refine the place in the article where it says this thing where the only X number of people have spent like one night in jail. I remember reading something along those lines that just said that because of this, people that had been arrested for a thing have only spent one night in jail. First is where people would spend days and days and days and days and days and in the system. So this is good news. We've covered this, I don't know what was this a year ago when he got put into place and this was this was the topic that we covered was that he was going to have telling his days like, Hey, you need to cut back on all this stuff. If it's these different kinds of crimes, just send them home, give them their own recognizance bonds, and let that fly and apparently the people haven't been fleeing. So they've been showing up to court and the prison population is down, which I think from a conservative point of view, you would be happy because if you want smaller government, this would make smaller government you would need less prisons, you would need less prison guard, you would need less food, the whole infrastructure,

Larry  1:05:33  
you would think so. But sometimes they magically do a flip on that

small government be small government on things you disagree with?

Andy  1:05:41  
Absolutely.

Are we going to the appeal? Yes, we're going to the appeal article. I don't think just leave them there. Huh.

Larry  1:05:52  
These articles are so long that they appeal house. But

Andy  1:05:55  
but they're there. I know they are. They are thorough, and they're juicy. There's good stuff in it. But we don't, we don't have to sit on this for very long. Because of course, people in prison it Why not just cut the power so they don't have running water. You just give them some extra blanket so they don't freeze to death. But they'll be really cold, don't give them their medical supplies. Again, we can cut down on expenses. If we just cut out all their medicine,

then you can't probably it's really hard to open and closed doors because most of that stuff is powered. I again, I don't see a problem.

Larry  1:06:24  
Well, this article have made something abundantly clear that only a very small number of correctional facilities have emergency preparedness plans. And that's kind of tragic, because most of these facilities were built where you can easily extract yourself. And in an emergency,

Andy  1:06:41  
it's kind of the design of it.

Larry  1:06:43  
But think of that we're going to put people in cages and behind concrete walls, and then not prepare for any type of contingency and have emergency preparedness. That's really, really not very nice on our part, as a nation,

Andy  1:07:01  
definitely not I I really keyed in on the part. I lived in New Orleans for a number of years. And I evacuated from Hurricane Andrew. And then on the heels of that to see my brother lived in New Orleans when Katrina rolled around. And he actually ended up staying with me for a period of time when Katrina and his house was under, you know, in in like three feet of water for a great period of time. But can you imagine if you are then in prison, and like, you think, Oh, my God, we have hardened criminals. So these guys are accused of murder, whatever. But suppose you're down on Bourbon Street and you're having a ruckus time and you get locked up for something, you know, disturbing the public indecent exposure, just something super duper benign, and they just lock you in overnight. Oh, wait, there's a hurricane coming and your whole life go like something that would be, you know, you go before the magistrate judge, then I stand, they go, $50 in the gavel falls, and you're on your way. But these guys now spend four days, four days in a two man cell just locked, and the water's coming in. And it's like, up to their waist. And they're just living in a place that has water to their ways. They're locked in there, the the prison guard said, we're out. And then when they finally get rescue, four days later, they get taken into a transport vehicle. And they were thrown into a field with 4000 people and the corrections officers then just throwing packed out across the fence at them. And one of the one of these people, his girlfriend, wife, she took, it took her weeks to figure out where he was, and then 10 days to get him out for something that was just like a massive minor misdemeanor, that would have only been just whatever, move on. So there you go. That's how we treat people. And I think we're awesome,

Larry  1:08:46  
which was, it's really tragic, but but like, say, the survey that they tried to do show that they're very few correctional facilities have plans they have, they have internal security for rights, they have plans for that. But for natural disasters or power failures, they don't have contingency plans at all. They are prepared to shoot you if you try to break out though they have plans for that.

Andy  1:09:09  
They said that in this one of this holding place on this field said that they were rapes. But then the thing that was really the most disturbing it says that in the wake of Katrina and other those kind of natural disasters, there are laws in place that require so here it is, this is the legislation called post Katrina Emergency Management Reform Act requires the inclusion of disabled people and even house pets and federal emergency planning, but not prisoners. It feels like we would have already had that in place. We've been locking people up for really, really, really long time that they would already be like, hey, there's a hurricane coming? What are they going to do? A they're all going home to take care of their families, you're screwed. Well,

Larry  1:09:53  
if you don't like this country, I'm sick of hearing you complain about?

Andy  1:10:00  
Well, I guess part part of that is, can't we fix it?

Unknown  1:10:05  
We could,

Andy  1:10:08  
shouldn't we try at least to fix it? We should.

Don't we have the capacity even though you may be under supervision, maybe even you live in a state where you can't vote, you either can still talk to your representative, you can talk to your friends and family and try and sway how they vote.

Unknown  1:10:24  
Yeah,

Andy  1:10:27  
all right. All right. We're done. podcast is over. Stop.

Larry  1:10:32  
So but presidents are not a higher priorities. They don't vote and it they're considered less than human by so many people. And yeah,

Andy  1:10:44  
there's there's certainly not worth saving because they're already kind of what do you call it? You call them broken people? What do you call it damaged goods? There's an expression that you use for people that are in these these conditions

Larry  1:10:56  
and they should they should have thought about it before they did it.

Andy  1:10:59  
Ah, yes, that way you get like i mean you know as execution isn't bad enough Let's lock you in a place where you're just going to drown with four three of your closest friends because you you did indecent exposure on Bourbon Street and now you're going to drown inside of the cell that is amazing. I don't

Larry  1:11:15  
see a problem with it. Let's move on.

Andy  1:11:16  
All right from the Miami Herald This is a pretty stellar human being federal prosecutors broke law in Jeffrey Epstein case judge rules I guess this is why you try and hold on to a case and push it down the you know delayed as long as possible this guy Jeffrey Epstein allegedly had just scores of underage girls that maybe they were like runaways drug addicts whatever and he would bring them into he's a multi millionaire at least if not billionaire private island, if I'm not mistaken and having all the helping out all these girls and but take us from there. What are the what are the federal prosecutors do wrong?

Larry  1:12:00  
I'm not really sure because I started reading this. So then I ran out of time. Okay. Apparently, apparently, apparently, the judge issued a blistering decision there that said that story of all of all the wrong stuff. So people who are more interested in what they did wrong, but that isn't that person a part of the cabinet now that was the prosecutor.

Andy  1:12:21  
Yes, that is a that is a former Miami US Attorney Alex Acosta. And what position is he holding? Now Allah is

Larry  1:12:31  
the capital of the United States President

Andy  1:12:33  
he read. Alexander Koster is an American attorney, academic and politician who was the 27th and current United States Secretary of Labor. Oh, I saw a clip of him with Trump just earlier that's what i saw i didn't pay attention to that because they were actually playing a clip of something else but he's like what about this guy's like I don't know man I don't know anything about it. He's doing a really good job as the Secretary of Labor

Larry  1:12:55  
that's that's why I put it in there that I didn't get a chance to read that entire opinion to find out while the the judge found the violate the law the laws that he violated may not have been good laws because I don't necessarily agree with everything about what victims are entitled to but it is the law and he did put his hand on the Bible right and he's in a position now to try to change the law was then as well if you're a prosecutor you don't agree with the law the the Congress takes you very seriously as a federal prosecutors you have a problem with law you need to make it make that known that the law is not fair and whatever adjustment you need to made you're you're considered credible if you're a prosecutor you think that the substance going too far particularly you have more credibility and a defense attorney does so but anyway though it'd be a good rate for someone who wants to read it but but I thought I thought it was kind of ironic that the cabinet member who was the former prosecutor the judge accused of not following the law

Andy  1:13:49  
right now I'll just this is what the guy is accused of it says the 60 year old mogul Lords scores of teenage girls from troubled home some some as young as 13 as part of a cult like scheme to sexually abused them by offering them money to give him massages and promising some of them he would send them to college or help to find careers

yeah that's a that's a pretty stellar human but he he got he got convicted of like really, really low level things then it goes on to say that he just he served just about 13 months in the Palm Beach County jail for all of those allegations and to that if I'm not mistaken when we covered this five months ago four months ago you like well, they must not have had a very good case okay Yep, absolutely

Larry  1:14:35  
so good

could have been something else

Andy  1:14:41  
then add another one at a Florida so this is the Orlando Sentinel Florida detective kills self out after he's accused of owning child porn. Oh, I do we need even cover any more than that.

Well,

Larry  1:14:54  
I I think that to be intellectually consistent to probably and taking their life like the young man that we talked about, was it last week or the week before? Yeah, I was kind of weeks ago they had consensual sex, apparently. And then there was a grainy video of it. The The thing about this is that the consequences would have been so horrendous that that I mean, he knew that his life was effectively over from the accusation and if we've gotten to the point where people were committing suicide because of draconian punishments and life life altering lifelong consequences it's probably time for us to take a look at where we are in this country when for when it's that frightening that that data is your only option as you see it

Andy  1:15:46  
it's not even a long article it's just basically here's the here's what happened the guy was

it he was arrested on charges of possessing child porn and then he I don't even see how he allegedly did that need

Larry  1:16:00  
honestly people's another county department that was investigating him he was a decorated detective according to the article and then the neighboring St Johns County began investigation December after receiving a tip and then apparently they he was question on February 1 and not looking at shower gel porn and then is what do you like they seize your computer you know that they're going to figure out what you've been doing because they have great forensics work so and not and

Andy  1:16:29  
not to not to minimize somebody else that has you know gigs and gigs of of images investigators say his computer was seized and two photos of naked children were found I I don't want to minimize this but that's like okay two photos okay well slap the guy on the wrist and move on well was a juvenile bales

Larry  1:16:51  
we can't have that we cannot have that in this country. juvenile males having wasn't it wasn't a gay sex don't have the I have a confused with another what I

Andy  1:17:00  
it just says two photos. I don't I don't see anything. Well, it's a detective found an image of to adolescent boys doing the nasty Oh yeah. say we can't have that.

Larry  1:17:13  
I mean, if it was normal sex, that would be less. Apollo definitely can't. can't have that. So if it was

Andy  1:17:18  
if it was something hetero, it would be okay. But to it wouldn't

Larry  1:17:21  
be. But it would it would be less objectionable. I mean, that is one of those double standards where we have that, that that's pervasive in terms of how people are treated.

You let a normal police officer roll up on people having sex and let it be gay sex and find out the reaction versus being heterosexual sex and public. Now, both are illegal, generally speaking, but the treatment that the that the same sex couple it's going to get is usually going to be quite more severe unless that officer happens to be

friendly. But but but the other one those disparities that that exists,

Andy  1:18:02  
and then again, this is a place we've never covered anything from before. This is American Theatre. org. And it's a publication of theater communications groups. This is you know, I really wanted to cover this mostly because a it's garbage and be the comments are really delightful. But the title of the article, second chances for a sex offender. And here's a person who it's pretty recent. It's not like, you know, sometimes we cover articles from someone that was like, Hey, I got convicted in 1970. And here I am 70 years old, and I can't get a job at Walmart. But this person was a former teacher at a Christian school and convicted in 2009 for something decent with a with a with a probably a, it was a student and he spent eight years in prison. So now he's out and he's on the registry. And he does theater. He's playing like, I think it would be the lead role in a play. And then someone just drops a bomb. It was like, Well, you know, he's on the registry, right? And then that turns into a shit storm.

But the comments, it's actually a really long article, but one of the comments was like, like, dude, he did his time if he's not, you know, maybe he's doing a play, and then after the play, they would have some, you know, like a gathering, and maybe he would have contact for kids. Maybe you'd have objections there. That sounds like that would be legit. But if if you're in the audience in your 200, 300 seats and the audience and he's on stage, what is he going to do to you? Is he going to perv on you from the stage? Well, but you don't

Larry  1:19:28  
you don't understand. You don't understand this is grooming behavior. Andy he's doing that with the hope of finding someone who's turned on to his theatrical abilities and they're going to rush the stage and want to get in there and he knows that there are people working wanting to get with him in the audience

Andy  1:19:50  
and so a lady then responded to the first comment says isn't pleading guilty and being convicted enough to process like he he already admitted guilt that was history process let the guy live so then there's some stuff going on the comments are worth reading but we were well represented and defended against Daniela Cortez Alvarez who decided to throw bombs at this person

Larry  1:20:14  
I didn't read the entire article like actually I had not paid attention to it for now I thought I thought I thought we were at the end of the articles but but you know just

Andy  1:20:23  
I just added this one just recently I just saw this one tonight it's a very recent article it's from like in the last day or two it's from February 22 which is yesterday ah well but it's

Larry  1:20:34  
unforgiving I mean he did his time you think they'd let him to go on with life but we don't know we don't and

Andy  1:20:41  
even in a state like Alaska that is almost 50% of the United States and it only has like moose and anchorage

Larry  1:20:50  
and for banks

Andy  1:20:52  
oh okay fabrics to and then obviously there's some oil floating around out there in the Exxon Valdez area right

Larry  1:20:59  
now these for the for the tank correct and 89 was it was super

Andy  1:21:07  
good times man Tell me about this I guess that would be legislative bill because they don't have a House or Senate in Nebraska

Larry  1:21:14  
what's going on up there well this is this is a long running saga that I wish I had all the details on but it's it's of interest to me because I've traveled to Nebraska to try to be helpful a few years ago and their their their system fascinates me because it's so different thing that they only have one chamber unicameral legislature and the we talked about a case some number of episodes back where the Nebraska Supreme Court decided that people that have been adjudicated delinquent and other states upon moving to the rascal they have to register and how that was contrary to a federal court decision. And people roll their eyes when I said, Well, actually, the state court rules and they federal courts are the state courts, but but they're not when they're interpreting state law. Right. And so the the Nebraska Supreme Court being a strict texture list interpretation. They read the law and said that it says well as anybody who really gets to Nebraska has it has a registration obligation has a registration obligation to rascal so even though the guy that was Clements he had been adjudicated in Colorado as a juvenile. They said, well, you are a person Aren't you next week? Yes, I am. They said, well, you you did move to the Rasta, did you not? He said Well, yes, I did. And they said well, you do have to register in Colorado, correct? And he said Yes, I do. And I said well, that's black letter law. That's what the law says. You moved here you had registration obligation, another state and you are a person. So therefore we need to go no further. Well, the Federal Court had decided that

they looked at a little differently. They looked at the entity a rascal all which is Nebraska doesn't register adjudicated juveniles if the adjudication occurred within Nebraska. And up until then, they had not registered people who had education's from outside Nebraska. But now the Supreme Court of Nebraska said well, that if the legislature wants it to say that they can tell us that but right now we're looking at the black letters and it says any person and by golly, he's a person and he did move here and he has registration obligation, so it's got drunk and right. It's amazing how many people that have claimed to be Texas, I've amazingly decided they're not texting listed in longer when I tell them what you said that your attention list, this is exactly what you would get from a textual score, you should be happy and run with it. But amazingly, they wanted people to look at the intent, which is what the federal court did since since the intent of Nebraska last not to register juveniles, they said, Well, it seems like logical that they would not want to register into the state out of state offenders, and not not registrants, state of vendors. So they that but anyway, so there's, there's an effort underway to fix that. And that's 2019 session literally build 510. And it is it's tempting to carve out the exception that the person would not have to register if they were educated from out of state

if they would not be required to register Nebraska. And I don't think it's the most beautifully worded literally proposal I've ever seen. But I think it would go a long way towards towards clearing out what what the intent of legislature is. But apparently the law enforcement apparatus as I refer to it has tried to hijack the bill and they've got an amendment that they're offering and the amendment is the most god awful thing I've ever seen in my entire years of intellectually business. There's no way in the world that doesn't mean that should fly with the men. But although it's a draft form, it's not actually been officially it's not on the website. It has not been adopted by the by the Judiciary Committee, which has this proposal for them. But the the, the memo would, in exchange for carving out the out of state exceptions, it would, it would it would create an obligation to register juveniles if they were adjudicated in Nebraska, for the smaller universe of aggravated offenses, which is what the federal AWS requires for for designation of substantial compliance. And that's one of the areas where in Nebraska, still deficient, they don't register adjudicated juveniles over age 14 for aggravated sex offenses. And I don't believe they're listing employment on the internet yet, last time I checked, they weren't. And that would be a deficient area because that's what the feds would like you to do.

Andy  1:25:39  
Right

Larry  1:25:40  
so that so the law enforcement apparatus the same well if you much a liberal, do gutters want to protect these outsiders, we would like to, we'd like to offer this as an amendment to the legislation Well, I don't know whether it's going to be a doctor or not. But I did

write an email to Hank, which was to hold lot of people will thread that that does not win the World at this would be based on public policy for a number of reasons. They, they they don't do anything to clarify if the registration obligation for the aggravated juvenile for instance, would be perspective and application. So it's the way it's currently written. Anybody who's ever been adjudicated in Nebraska for an aggravated defense can be within the zone of registered ability. They don't, they don't offer any option to register on on on a law enforcement only registry which is permissible for juveniles under the federal system tier ones and as you indicated, juveniles do not have to be made public so they could clearly if they were determined to register juveniles, they could do it elder non public database. I'm not advocating it, but I'm telling you that's what they could do. They could also register them what was non adult officials they don't have to require the juveniles to go down to the local sheriff's office. They can designate the juvenile probation authorities as the register or the registrar to haven't done that they haven't done anything to protect the juveniles from discrimination if you're going to make this rabbit adjustment, radical adjustment to pacify law enforcement which I wouldn't make the deal but if you're going to make this deal at least put in the statutes that the juveniles cannot be discriminated against in their educational opportunities and their extracurricular activities and make sure that you make this registry private but this is the most heinous thing I've ever seen it as an amendment and I hope I hope they they they can

Unknown  1:27:33  
ah

Andy  1:27:34  
there you go again ending the podcast on a dismal note

Larry  1:27:37  
well it's it's they're trying to fix the problem right there's a senator mcconnell struggling with the way pronounce a name is sponsoring the legislation and and and he's trying to take the registry back to where it was, before Clements was decided by the state Supreme Court and Hank said that that that apparently the another state been issued by the Federal Court to give the lawmakers a chance to see if they can figure out a way to to carve out those people from from having to be eliminated publicly. I thought they had already eliminated them. But apparently there's been another state issued and maybe they've not been eliminated. But I wouldn't make that trade off. If it were me. I'd be the 75, 8085

people whatever it is that have come from out of state to illuminate hundreds of people retroactively as far back as I've had registration for all the aggravated offenses. I don't know what the total that would be, but I don't think they do either and to open the zone up for further for these juveniles to be discriminated against and harassed at school and to be denied

competitive athletics. Can you imagine Can you imagine having a 16 year old on a wrestling team after he's been adjudicated of a sexual offense? Can you imagine that particular now that wrestling teams have gone coed?

Andy  1:28:53  
Right?

Larry  1:28:56  
I mean, they would they would I mean, there are already people who think that their partners on each other even when they're wrestling when they're not when they haven't been convicted of a sex offense. And they think that's gross enough. But to have have a kid that has wrestling abilities would not be allowed to wrestle because he comes he had a sex offense.

Andy  1:29:13  
Well, that would be a lot of touching,

Larry  1:29:16  
and we definitely can't have that.

Andy  1:29:17  
No, there will be no touching because that's not a good plan.

Larry  1:29:21  
Well, I mean, that in football, that those are big sports and

Andy  1:29:25  
there's no there's no touching and football either Well, we'll send that it's a non contact sport

Larry  1:29:31  
so but but yeah, it's just it's just tragic that the the, but the cops are doing what cops would do, the law enforcement apparatus sees an opportunity to try to get their agenda, which is AWS compliance, and so tears, a vehicle that's out there moving down the tracks, they see an opportunity to try it. Well, if I want this bad enough, maybe they'll make that compromise. I would say sorry, Charlie. No, no compromise. That's not what we're willing to make. And I'm hoping that does the rascals Senate's feels the same way,

Andy  1:30:02  
right. How can people find the podcast later?

Larry  1:30:07  
It's not very easy. But but it can

Andy  1:30:10  
it can be done. So you do need expertise in relationship management with your local politicians?

Larry  1:30:18  
Well, if you want to find the Find the podcast, the best thing to do is to Google registry matters. Google. It pops up in the first thing as you get when you Google registry matters. But if you don't want to Google you can go to registry matters dot CEO, and you'll find us there.

Andy  1:30:37  
Hey, and I want to share this if you want some fun times. I updated the the voicemail message. So go, go listen to the new voicemail message at what phone number?

Larry  1:30:47  
That would be 747-227-4477.

Andy  1:30:53  
Yes, I've lived I've listed split split six, six. I can't even say explicit, please. I have listed explicit instructions on how to leave a voicemail message

Larry  1:31:05  
I appreciate how about Is there something complex about our voicemail system is different than the most?

Andy  1:31:09  
Oh no, this is this is straight out of the 80s. There's literally there's a there's a little cassette thing sitting on my counter my kitchen. And when you dial in, and like, you know, Hey, thank you for calling. The registry matters podcast. Leave your message at the beep and literally then I hear and I hear people talk and it's on a little micro cassette

Larry  1:31:28  
know I've heard of that. So you've got micro cassettes. Absolutely.

Andy  1:31:33  
No, I know. But I just I recorded a new voicemail message and just left that people try to keep it under a minute, please. But there are things that I want you to say. And maybe if you say them, your message would get played. And if maybe if you don't say that maybe your message doesn't get played

Larry  1:31:49  
and how they write out of the right to us if they want to. If they want to send us an email,

Andy  1:31:55  
send us an email message at registry matters cast and that would be for podcast. And not like the cast of a play. But registry matters cast at gmail. com.

Larry  1:32:04  
Alrighty. And then what's the best way to support its

Andy  1:32:08  
absolute best way is to I think your instructions are. Maybe they're a little bit murky, because no one has taken you up on this offer yet. So maybe if I explain it. So when you get your paycheck stub, you're going to go over and you're going to see a net and gross go down to where it says gross and just copy that number in and then click Submit. That would be the best way to support the podcast.

Larry  1:32:28  
You're not even you're not even gonna cut up a little slack for taxes withholding. You just want them to do the gross about

Andy  1:32:34  
well, why not write you could write it off? Not that we're not that won't work. I'm not. No we're not going to. But seriously, folks, $1 a month. It just shows your appreciation. That would be absolutely spectacular. To just donate $1 a month would be fine. And that would be at patreon. com slash registry matters. There's a Discord server that you'll gain access to and you can join in on conversations. We have conversations going on there all week people articles, and then we can see how maybe they'll flush out maybe I get ideas for questions to ask Larry on the podcast. Or we can just hang out and talk about computers and other wacky things that probation does. There's also a place called shop that spreadsheet comm slash registry matters. That's with a hyphen in there to register hyphen matters. You could buy t shirts. I just bought a baseball cap because maybe I'm going to start doing YouTube videos. Not sure about that one yet. And then yeah, so that's everything there.

Larry  1:33:29  
Well, I forgot to mention that I am working on getting Janice Bluetooth on regarding the district court decision Alabama regarding the compel speech for the driver's licenses. It just hasn't come together. Yeah, but I feel confident we'll get it. We'll get it done. It's that decision is going to be discussed again. And I'd be very surprised if there's not an appeal

Andy  1:33:52  
outstanding so well, beautiful. Larry as our workout. We're, we're sure I so very much appreciate your time energy effort. And I hope that you will join me again very soon for another episode of registry matters. Rom. Which network Oh, this is gonna be the FL IP network. Should I Should I throw in a Should I throw in a little tag on the outgoing here?

Larry  1:34:16  
Sounds good.

Alright.

Andy  1:34:18  
Have a great night. Larry, I'll talk to you soon.

Unknown  1:34:20  
Bye. Bye.

Andy  1:34:22  
Thank you for joining us here at FL IP. And we hope you will join us again on our next broadcast.

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