Transcript RM120: Nebraska Sheriff Still Requires In Person Check-Ins

Transcript RM120: Nebraska Sheriff Still Requires In Person Check-Ins

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Andy 0:00
registry matters as an independent production. The opinions and ideas here are that of the hosts and do not reflect the opinions of any other organization. If you have a problem with these thoughts fyp recording live from fyp Studios, east and west transmitting across the internet. This is Episode 120 of registry matters there I think we should set up some sort of plan where we should record from the super secret underground bunker so that we could like sit across the table from each other. And I don’t know we could like pass the virus back and forth to each other.

Larry 0:33
Well, it’s not easy to get there to the super secret bunker because transportation has been curtailed and requests for less movement have been made so it’s going to be difficult isn’t it?

Andy 0:45
Are we practicing social distancing properly then?

Larry 0:48
I’m doing my best but I was forced to get out today cuz I’m not wanted to record the podcast and he didn’t want to use the telephone.

Andy 0:56
Never. I never ever want to tell Actually, you know on that since you bring that up, many, many, many podcasts that I do listen to where they do have some kind of studio where they have, you know, table setup and they have multiple microphones on the table. They’re all recording from home. NPR is doing it. Vox is doing it all kinds of different places there. I’m recording from my closet. And you know, because they have all kinds of clothes in there to help deaden the sound and whatnot. There is a massive disruption of our of our world going on right now. It is unprecedented is crazy. It is indeed. You know, I’ve been around for well over 100 years now and I’ve not I’ve not seen anything that compares. And not only that, I was just entering into the criminal justice system when the last one happened in around you know, around oh eight. And it’s like that was happening fast, you know, 600,300 400 500,000 jobs per month. This is happening at an astonishing rate that even like a daily podcast is not fast enough. For you to get any sort of updates jobs Friday that comes out a month late, that data is going to be blown out of proportion by the time we actually get the numbers. You’re correct.

Larry 2:09
This is this is a fast moving exceptionally fast moving situation that’s unfolding faster than I’m a tad bit on the inside in terms of the governor being worked with a senator the the governor is communicating daily by various means to the to the state legislators and there’s an update daily of what was put out yesterday is no longer no longer relevant.

Andy 2:35
Yeah, it’s unbelievable. And you you can can you share with me what you you follow like something of some unemployment claims and it was in like the hundreds and it’s not in the hundreds that’s going around.

Larry 2:48
That would be a shared state. It’s a state level here that was released on the news and weekly unemployment claims for our state had gone down to less than 1000 a week. So the previous week Where there was a full week of unemployment data, there was around 800 claims on so far through yesterday, there’s been 11,000 claims in this state alone. So if you extrapolate on the national average where we’ve been in the 250 $300,000 weekly claims for unemployed initial claims for unemployment not ongoing, but initial claims being filed, that if you if you do do a 1012 fold increase on that, you’re going to see a couple million to 3 million claims on the next weekly data that assembles the entire nation’s unemployment claims. Initial claims together. I think I saw something posted on Twitter. It’s the it’s around 200,000 nationwide, I think is some sort of rough average for the run up to 250 to 250 to 300,000.

Andy 3:47
So it’s going to be something of 3 million in the next go round. And that’s that’s even a lagging indicator because that’s probably 10 inch or two weeks old. 10 days old. Something like that

Larry 3:57
would be people who have been told that you’re being furloughed and And the previous week, and so it’s gonna, I would say it’s going to probably escalate from there because more and more people being furloughed, as more and more businesses are being asked or required to shut down, or to severely restrict or their operations. I don’t know many businesses that have deep enough pockets that that take a 50% reduction in sales that are going to be able to keep the same staffing for an indefinite period of time, you might do it for a week or two, to be generous, be socially responsible, but very few businesses have the additional staying power to do that for a long period of time. So these people once they get their final paycheck, are they going to severely reduce hours they’re going to they’re going to put in claims thrown up initial claims for unemployment.

Andy 4:43
What about the government’s role in this is important to be in regards to the registrant population in general that we are already a struggling group of people to get jobs, etc, etc. Excuse me, Brenda, I needed to say etc, not me. etc.

Larry 5:02
And this is obviously gonna put a ton of pressure on the entire population of all of the people that call themselves humans, let alone anybody that has these extra little markers against them, trying to get a job, this is going to be huge. What do you think about? There’s like this trillion dollar package going through at the federal level to try and start dumping Pac cash into people’s pockets to pay rent car notes, like, this is insane. Well, the trillion dollars is just a drop in the bucket. If you’re talking about our economy, something on the 23 to $26 trillion I made, I don’t keep track of the exact numbers but the national economy. So if you if you if you shrink the economy by the experts are saying at least 10 to 12% in the second quarter. If so, you see if they take that much economic activity out, you’re talking about two to three times the stimulus that they’re talking about. So that my opinion as if the experts are right, this is just the beginning of many, many stimulus packages that will have to be done. And last, we believe in la-z a fair that that the system will correct itself and the strong will survive and that that will weed out excesses in the economy and and everything will just work itself out and and some people fervently believe that there were people in the last major downturn who stood in the way of stimulus because they said that the government was picking winners and losers and the economy would self correct

Andy 6:31
there is probably truth in that Larry, but I don’t know that it’s the the humane way like we would want let’s let’s just say tomorrow this thing’s over a vaccine comes out we can just blanket carpet bomb the entire United States with with vaccines tomorrow and it goes away instantly. We would want the economy to go back to normal immediately. But if the local subway has shut down well then how long does it take for the next subway to to rise back up? What does it take for the next attorney’s office or The local car repair shop, it would take an incredible amount of time to rebuild all of that infrastructure to be able to support all the claims. And all this demand is I don’t mean claims, but all of the demand from the from the consumers.

Unknown Speaker 7:13
Well, that was the point I was gonna make is that if you’re allowed this, to seek its own resolution, you would have an enormous destruction of wealth. And we’re having that now. But I’m talking about the enormous destruction of wealth that we go beyond right now. The people that are suffering the biggest losses that occur on Wall Street, and the population although more people invest in equities now than what they were known past decades, there’s still a lot of resentment for for those people can afford it. So if they’ve lost a third of their market value, who cares? But, but the cascading effect from the economic shutdown is going to be that people won’t be able to pay their basic expenses like their car payments and their mortgages. Basic expensive. So then you have the cascading effect of the foreclosures, that the boarded up houses in the blighted communities and a yard for repossessed vehicles that no one wants. And, and the economy would continue to shrink. And that’s kind of like if you go into a nosedive in airplanes hard to pull out up, as the economy is shrinking, and there’s no stimulus, nothing that’s generating demand, the economy, the economy will continue to shrink until who knows what point that that things will begin to rebound? But yes, if you’re totally indifferent, to having millions of people’s homes foreclosed, millions of people’s for cars repossessed if that means nothing to you as as a society, then you could just sit back and watch it fix itself. You probably have a lot of people that will suffer untold hardship, medical hardship, and when you put people on the street, their health goes down dramatically. Wouldn’t you agree with that? I would think so. So if we if we all sudden have millions of homeless people, rather than hundreds Thousands we already have a public health is going to decline, our life expectancy is going to decline. It’s not going to be a country that you’re going to be very impressed to live in living. And so what we have to do in this country, is we have to do something that we claim that we’re against, we have to rely on big government. And this is the time to play the clip.

Andy 9:20
I will play the clip this is from well, you’ll you’ll know who it is,

Larry 9:24
in this present crisis. Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem.

Andy 9:32
And who is that? For those that don’t know?

Unknown Speaker 9:35
The I don’t remember exactly what day in time he made that. But I believe it was in the campaign of 1980. But it could have been in the campaign to 76. That was Ronald Reagan, that government is was always portrayed as the villain and the problem. But the government is all of us collectively, what few of us can do it. Almost I’d say no one can do individually. I don’t even think Warren Buffett could provide his own national security. apparatus in his own Centers for Disease Control. I don’t think he can do all the things that government does. Government is nothing more than what we have democratic society agree that we’re going to do for one another. That’s all government is, is what we want it to be. And government has the power to borrow against future prosperity in this country. We we can go into debt. This is the reason why you should balance your budget and you should run surpluses, like we should have been doing the last three years when we were digging ourselves even deeper into debt. Because we had the frivolous tax cut, that we had that little hole and we also increase spending. Now we justifiably need to increase spending, we need to run a deficit. And we’re starting out at a trillion dollar baseline deficit already.

Andy 10:46
And the Fed Can you explain this to me? I don’t quite understand necessarily. I sort I sort of like just scratching the surface about him reducing the the rate to something close to zero. Can you explain that a little bit.

Larry 10:58
Explain what about you talk about the interest rate Cut? Correct? And

Andy 11:01
what does that mean? And why? Like, you know, there’s no more tools that they have necessarily like they’re out of options. So now we have to go to legislative measures to try and fix this, that the Fed can’t do anything to manipulate the economy.

Unknown Speaker 11:13
But it’s the is the is the rate that the banks borrow from the Fed and, and, and banks need liquidity. I mean, people don’t understand that. If a bank merely hoarded the cash that you put in, they wouldn’t be able to pay for their bricks and mortar, for their personnel for the health cost. And they wouldn’t be able to have profits for their shareholders. So so they have to invest the money. And and in, in a financial institutions, profits are a difference between the cost of funds

Larry 11:44
because cost of funds, there’s definitely cost funds are not free. There’s a cost of funds. For example, if you’re if you have a if you have deposit accounts, if you look at a bank’s balance sheet, you’ll see the average cost of funds and cost of funds will be staggered between

Unknown Speaker 12:00
No interest counts all the way to certificates of deposits that you’ll difference about but the average cost of funds. And then there’s also what they borrow from from the Fed. And the Fed has the ability to manipulate that funds rate and bring it all the way down to zero, which they’ve done, which will help the banks expand, there’s the cost of funds will be lower. But then where the average yield on earning assets, that’s the money that they land. If If you look at at lending, lending, of course, it’s going to contract that all except for mortgage reifies. If people are lucky enough to hold on to their jobs, they’re going to be in a wonderful position to go out if you’ve, if you’ve either initiated a loan in the last three years, or done a refi and last two or three years, but rates are creeping up. You may want to consider a refi. Now if you’re struggling to financially do that, it’s going to be a benefit but that that that that that is all the Fed has to do. I don’t know We can take rates below zero, I don’t know that the Fed is going to start paying banks to borrow from them. But I mean, that would be the next step, if you want if you want to inject more liquidity, but when when when the Fed takes that rate to zero, they’re trying to make sure that there’s plenty of liquidity available for for redemption of deposits and for for lending, you’re hoping that the low interest rates will generate this activity that we don’t need. Because if people can’t borrow, like when the system seized up in 2008, you could borrow no house, no matter how well, your your your credit history was paying. I mean, the system completely seized up, there was no liquidity. And that’s when these these unprecedented steps were initiated. And they’re barely replayed the 2008 2009 playbook that happened under Secretary Paulson, and then under under Secretary Geithner, who followed after after after the Bush administration left unbelievable.

Andy 13:59
Let’s see here. That Pretty much my questions that I had to you talking about the economy and shutting down. I want to throw something at you that some terms have been flying around. But I want to specifically like focus on the on how people use terms to identify people that could lead to like violence. And the term has been running around lately of the Chinese virus. And there’s an uptick in violence towards the the people that may look like they hail from that part of the world. And really, what I’m trying to do is make a comparison to using a term like sex offender, and that spawns people to just go eat. We hate you, even though your crime almost didn’t even involve anything that was like a sex crime to begin with. Anyway. So I posted some articles in there, then that there’s an increase in violence against the Chinese looking folks, versus the idea that when you use the term sex offender Well, we know we’ve covered articles where people have violence towards them just because the term sex offender

Larry 14:58
the articles that I didn’t Catch the statistics of the increased violence on the on the articles. But it would be tragic if someone if someone is holding individually, a person of Chinese descent responsible, first of all this, this reference to Chinese and to move on flew and this has been around for a long time and I haven’t heard all the criticism till I heard Donald Trump say it and then all of a sudden it’s become, it’s become very racist. Now, granted, he has a slightly bigger microphone, and slightly more exposure than if if someone of a lesser standing says it. But I don’t think that he should be saddled with inventing the term being the first to use it. But if someone’s going to I just don’t know what the average Chinese would have to do with with with with how this was handled, and maybe we should refer to the Spanish Flu of 1918 as the American flu with my research. Yeah, since my research indicates that it probably originated on military facility in Kansas, I got spread around the rest of the world. So we should call that the American flu and people should be mad at the Americans and they should have. They should have been committing violent acts against us. I think the sad, if terribly sad,

Andy 16:14
and what my understanding is, that’s why they’re calling it coronavirus. We’re kovat 19 is to keep it from being located to a group of people like we have with so many other things like the Spanish flu and all that. But anywho I just thought I wanted your take on on the idea of how words matter how terms matter. And in this particular case, it seems I agree, I

Larry 16:36
agree with you. I agree with you. I mean, if we didn’t have the label sex offender, prior to having a sex offender registry you didn’t ever hear violence against them as a group. Now, prior to the registry, I hate to break it to you, people who did find the accusations of sexual offences against a particular individual. They did what they do now, to those of the registry. People got beat up because of jails didn’t just start becoming sensitive to sexual offenders. If you go back decades and decades and decades, to people who before we had a registry, who had that jacket on them as as convicts referred to it, they were not very well approved of it. And so this is this is not new, but the widespread stuff that happens to people on the register in terms of discrimination. And in terms of random violence, clearly wouldn’t happen if we didn’t have the label and we didn’t have to register. There’s no doubt about it.

Andy 17:31
Gotcha. Got you. Let’s start covering some articles. The first one comes from the intercept. Now this is on the heels. I guess maybe it was last week or a couple weeks ago that we were talking about the number of people that vote that are either felons or even the notion that you can vote while you are being detained. And this comes from Arizona jails. It says only eight people voted from Arizona jails in 2018. Well, this election be different. And we had talked about that. If you are detained So you’re speeding, whatever you get arrested day of that you’re supposed to be elected, that they’re supposed to be accommodations for you while you’re there possibly change your address to get a ballot, but maybe the ballot can’t make it the mailroom. But like, this is apparently not really very many people when they go to jail or all that concerned about voting, they don’t care that or they can’t it’s a couple of different layers of things in there. I just wanted to cover it to kind of follow up on something we’ve covered recently.

Unknown Speaker 18:27
Well, the

Larry 18:30
the person who, who tried to vote I mean, it would be it would be if you if you asked to vote in jail, they’d look at you like you think there was something wrong with

Unknown Speaker 18:40
you third, third eyeball in the center of your head.

Larry 18:43
Yeah, no. But way back in 1974, the US Supreme Court said if you haven’t been convicted, you have the right to vote. They affirm that right. So it’s been decades and decades that you you have the right to vote and pre trial, but as long as those rights that how do you enforce You’re in custody, and you tell jail or jail or bring me a ballot. Ha, yeah. Uh, what? Bring, bring me a ballot? For what? Today’s election date, I’d like to vote for you, you’re in prison. That’s exactly what they would tell you. And you would say, well, based on the US Supreme Court 74, I have the right to vote. They say, huh, yeah, they say the US Supreme Court. And so this will only change when we as a society decide that people who are pre trial in custody deserve to be treated differently because they’re not being punished. They’re only being held on suspicion of a crime, unproven allegations, and that we need to treat them differently, which I have preached for years. I think that that to the extent all possible. We should have different housing for people who are pre trial, different privileges for people who are pre trial because they are only they’re awaiting an adjudication of the allegations they’re not there as a convicted person, and we don’t get to deprive you of all your rights when you’re on convicted.

Andy 20:06
Obviously, this isn’t anything that happens. As far as people trying to vote. It doesn’t mean eight people Arizona is not the biggest of states, but it’s not a nothing state either. Well, it’s

Unknown Speaker 20:17
just I mean, that’s how many people succeeded. We don’t know how many people tried do with art

Andy 20:21
exhibit? No, no, I totally agree with you this. So if we if out of Arizona, which I’m just going to throw out there population of five ish million, maybe something like that, and eight people pulled it off. There’s probably a lot of people that aren’t that aren’t able to do it across the United States, if they’re if they’re even trying.

Larry 20:41
I would say the overwhelming majority jails range in size from very, very small lockups to some very large urban high rise facilities. You got the sprawling Los Angeles County jail system. You got the sprawling system in Cook County in Chicago, but but Post, they’re not set up for it.

Andy 21:03
Sir, though, I mean, we do elections every two years, and then with some additional lines,

Unknown Speaker 21:08
I know but when you’re running a sheriff’s office, and you’re trying to keep your county covered with deputies, and you’re trying to provide court security, and you’re trying to run a jail, and you’re trying to do it staff, three type three shifts a day, and you’re trying to buy supplies through jail and all the things that a sheriff is responsible for, trying to figure out how to figure out if anybody said your jail has to vote it might be their own on Election Day, and tried to set up a provision for that it’s just not the highest of priorities that you can go out and run for Sheriff and try that as a campaign. I’ll tell you what I’m Oh, do you like me, I will make sure anybody’s in my custody is gone, be able to vote when there’s election comes onto my command and find out how well that plays out with the constituents.

Andy 21:50
Perhaps we shouldn’t lock nearly as many people up so they could focus on some other things that are related to your civil liberties to your actual constitutional rights maybe

Unknown Speaker 21:57
now before i get any hate mail, Believe that you should be able to vote I just say the practicality for the average Sheriff is just not in that’s not in their daily routine to think about preparing for elections. They’re prepared for a whole lot of things on elections. It’s not one up.

Andy 22:15
All right, then, well, let’s move over to medium. I don’t know that we’ve ever covered medium medium is a platform for people to write. It’s sort of like a unified place for authors to post articles I guess you could say. But this article is titled judges can protect vulnerable prisoners by rethinking jail sentences, but only during the coronavirus pandemic I guess the the sentence we were just covering on the last article we could reduce the number of people in prison so they could possibly vote but this one is don’t put people in vulnerable populations that could bring the virus in. God can you imagine? It would there are plenty of movies out there Larry, I’m sure you haven’t seen any of the movies. Oh, what do they call it was a Resident Evil is almost like this. You have some sort of crazy outbreak and everybody turns into a monster of some sort and then they’re just confined in a small space, and then obviously everything goes to crap. And everybody’s infected with the virus, we should not put everybody in prison or jail this this go round.

Unknown Speaker 23:09
Well, this would be, I mean, this would be a good opportunity for us to rethink our, our correctional systems when we have something like a pandemic, because I have no doubt that we’re going to start hearing reports of facilities. And when it spreads, this is going to teach us that you just really can’t. I mean, just to try to think about it, pretend you’ve got 1000 bed slots, and you’ve got 24 housing units, and you’re trying to do the best you can. And you don’t you have one person get infected. Well, okay, you’ve got you got three isolation cells, that sick bay that are dead, but the second person gets infected and your three sick base cells then you have to turn a housing unit into it. So then all of a sudden, 24% or 48 person house a unit. It could only house the three people that are sick. You just took 4440 something beds out of out of out of service. It is a logistical nightmare for these people to try to figure out how to manage and of course, that even when you do that, it’s still gonna spread because those people have to eat, they have to be have some basic human care. And unless you release them and sequester them at home, there’s people in the facility, they’re going to come into contact with it. So it’s it’s a logistical nightmare. And I don’t know how they’re going to deal with it, because it just seems like a matter of time that we’re going to have to have outbreaks.

Andy 24:32
Jen in chat says 21 inmates at Riker Rikers Island has been tested. 21 have tested positive for it. And

Unknown Speaker 24:40
I have no way to confirm that. And we know that that’s coming.

Unknown Speaker 24:43
And what’s the capacity? I mean, Rikers is huge, but what kind of what kind of population are we talking about in Rikers, you get to keep talking. I’ll find it. Okay, so but but yes, this article is is judges can do their part there is no silver bullet. If we if we cut the jail population by 50%, we’re still gonna have problems. They’re more manageable because if you have more living units available, it’s more easily able to isolate the people in that unit. And then you put in the most strict protocols in terms of contact with the people in those units. But if you have them jam packed, like sardines, you don’t have the flexibility to put people in isolated and then housing units where they’re at least with infected people while they’re being warrantied. it like it’s a logistical nightmare for jail administrators. I’d hate to be running a facility right now.

Andy 25:35
It looks like it has a has a daily population of 10,000 inmates. Holy crap, that’s a lot of people.

Larry 25:44
So that’s, that’s the city of Covington. That is Georgia, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky.

Andy 25:51
I can’t I can’t even comprehend like that many people and they’re all you know, they’re in housing units that you know, probably have something of 5080 people in them and Certainly not practicing the six foot minimum distance and they’re not washing their hands that often.

Larry 26:05
Well, I’m talking. We’re also talking about extremely old facility. Right?

Andy 26:09
Yeah, sure. Sure. Sure, sure. When was it built? I’m looking at the Wikipedia page. I know I can’t use Wikipedia for any sort of reliable source of information. I established 1932. We’re talking about old old stuff, not state of the art. It means so there’s still officers walk around with like keys and they’re like pulling big long levers to open doors like you would see in the movie The Green Mile.

Larry 26:31
The that was that would still be happening. I’m sure. I don’t know how much retrofitting. I’ve never I’ve never had the pleasure of being at Rikers. But I’ve had the pleasure of encountering people that have in it that it’s not a fun place to be.

Andy 26:42
I can’t imagine. I can’t even imagine. Well over at the appeal coronavirus, leaves defense attorneys torn between visiting their jail clients and spreading the illness. In the article, they’re talking kind of like an abstract about an attorney who’s got a client who needs to be ready presented, and he needs to go see the guy for some level of emotional support to show Hey, like we’re working on this and we’re fighting for you. But at the same time, hey, we need details. We talked about the various elements of the of the crime of the trial. And he’s like, I don’t want to go and infect him, potentially, if I’ve got it, I don’t want to be infected. I don’t want to infect the whole population in general. So the attorney goes, I should probably not go visit my client.

Unknown Speaker 27:27
Well, and I have the answer for it. But a lot of attorneys are going to be too weak need to do it. What’s that? The answer is very simple. And usually they’re not simple answers. But when you bring your client to court, you’re supposed to represent to the court, that you have thoroughly evaluated all the available defenses. You’ve thoroughly looked at the discovery. You’ve examined the elements of the crime and what the burden of proof would be. And you’ve discussed all of these with your client, and they understand the elements that need to be proven the burden of proof And they’ve looked at all the evidence that the state would be or the prosecution, it could be the federal government, but all what the prosecution is going to be against a lining against them. And it’s in the best interest of this individual to take this plea. And if you haven’t been able to convert your client, it’s very simple. Your Honor, I don’t think this case is ready for plea, I have not been able to adequately confer enterprise, evaluate this with my client. So therefore, this case cannot be played out. That would be that that’s your answer.

Andy 28:28
But that means your clients stays inside.

Unknown Speaker 28:32
That’s the unfortunate reality of that where we have to decide if some of these people who are awaiting disposition or their cases, maybe we need to examine, as others have called for letting people out right now pre trial, we have a variety of technological tools which you should make your heart palpitate. And we could use these tools rather than put them on everybody willy nilly. Because we have the baby we could use some of these monitoring apparatuses we have for people who are just simply Unable to post their bond pre trial. And we could use that technology in a more positive way. Possibly.

Andy 29:05
Now You’ve spoiled it for us go into the next article, actually, the next article is actually from the appeal of talking about prosecutors across the US call for action to mitigate spread of coronavirus in jails and prisons, one of which is if Larry crasner, our favorite da from Philadelphia is talking about if you have anything of a misdemeanor and at least nonviolent felonies, just send them home, charge them later drop charges, something along those lines because you don’t want to infect the entire prison population with you people. Yes, I said, You people.

Unknown Speaker 29:35
We can’t have that.

Andy 29:37
We only have a handful of these Larry cruisers in the country. What about like, why does it take a pandemic for people to get on board with going, oh, maybe having a virus spreading across the jail like somehow that’s crossed the line. Again, I said this last week, I don’t want to minimize the three ish percent, you know, well, I’m sure we’re going to get different numbers on how fatal that this thing is. And when is more than zero and that’s too many. I’m not trying to go down that path. But if, if that is going to be the threshold that of having this virus and infecting the people and that’s just some tragedy. Why could we have done this before? Not using this as the catalyst that gets us there?

Larry 30:17
That’s another easy answer because we didn’t need to.

Andy 30:20
So we have the boogeyman. So we put the boogeyman behind the walls, but now we have a bigger Boogeyman. So now it’s inhumane to keep the people the other Boogeyman behind the walls.

Larry 30:29
But one of the articles says it’s not inhumane but but in this case, I believe that putting people in I’ve done a complete about face just in the last week myself on this I was carrying on life as usual. Through last weekend, I spent some time Sunday morning watching the programs listening to Dr. falchi. Listening to the local expert, we have a doctor whose name is escaping me with my weak memory. But we but I started paying attention And what’s being said and I said, my goodness, I’m also putting people at risk and I’m at risk myself. And so so it’s it’s this these are unprecedented times and putting people in lockup. They really can’t even take any precautions. There’s really very little you can do. You’re totally at the mercy of others. What control do you have in a correctional setting?

Andy 31:25
slightly above zero.

Larry 31:27
That is all you I mean many people were incarcerated even have difficulty I spoke about last week in terms of adequate running water, enhanced 10 cent sanitizer, and of course they don’t control their laundry. They all control the access to cleaning supplies for the housing unit. And, and this this is a disaster a recipe for disaster and and your Senate. If you’re not even supposed to be being held pretrial. You’re being held pre trial because in most cases you your cash bond is higher than what you can afford to pay.

Andy 31:58
So We should potentially consider this as a way to I don’t even want to say it that way. This is a mechanism to get an idea of not putting these people into a hot zone. What’s the right word here? I mean, like putting putting people into the locker putting people into the prisons where this could run rampant, and then they have no control to help themselves. It does this finally bring to light an idea that our criminal justice system is just over the top. Is this what it took to get us there? And does it sustain after this goes away? Do we go back to law and everybody up for felony jaywalking?

Larry 32:37
What is your course there’s no felony jaywalking, but I know your your point is this this week, we typically have a brief epiphany and whether it has staying power is as yet to be seen. If, if we if we take these dramatic measures, and there’s not a huge spike in crime. Now there will be some incident that will be traced directly to someone who’s released. It’s only a given. If you release thousands and thousands of people, someone cuz we’re human is going to mess up. I mean that there’s no way around that. And I always get tickled when they say, Well, someone on parole that they screwed up? Well, yes, they are on parole, they’re being test driven to see if they can make it in the regular world. And of course, we won’t have 100% success rate somewhat. But if we if we don’t parole anyone will never know what the success rate whether it can be 60 or 70, or 80, or 90, or whatever the success rate can be if we don’t really want. Well, if we take no measures to mitigate this looming disaster, we’re gonna have people either sick or die as a result of our inaction. If we take these actions, there will be sub, saber tooth tiger that will arise and the conservatives will jump all over it particular If it happens in a liberal city like Philadelphia, they will say, See, this is your catch and release. This is what happens when you turn people out of prison. And there’s no accountability. That’s what’s I mean, you might as well we’ll, we’ll put this down to cover before before the next six weeks are up, there’ll be somebody who will mess up.

Unknown Speaker 34:18
It seems inevitable. seems inevitable.

Unknown Speaker 34:21
Statistically, of course it is. Of course it is.

Andy 34:23
I know. Over at the info forum in forum, I don’t know what this one is called informed calm. This article is the opposite of something we covered recently where the sheriff was saying that we need to get the folks educated on on the actual laws of how the registry stuff works. And this one says do sex offender boundary laws work? And I want to say it’s the sheriff of this town is saying that he almost like doesn’t care what the evidence says he wants. The residency presence restrictions stuff in place regardless and he does be damned with the science and evidence says

Larry 35:00
Well, I’m going to have a little fun with this one because believe it or not, I read it. I did too. And and what what I found is as telling in here is that the the person that they quoted the sex offender, I forget his name. I’m having trouble getting this to open for me now. But he’s a he’s a tier three and in North Dakota believe it is. This is Fargo, North Dakota, right? Yeah, we’re talking about the same article. I believe so. So, yeah, so he’s a tier three. Now, this is an educational bowl, but for our thousands of listeners. He’s a tier three lifetime only because he has more than one conviction. And his border blood conviction is for indecent exposure. And indecent exposure is showing your junk. Right? And, and he’s a he’s a tier three But now the irony of this is indecent exposure is not required by those tough federal standards to even be a sex offense. that triggers a duty to register. Which means we’ve got a person who’s on the registry in North Dakota for life that North Dakota has decided he needs to have this label as a tier three the federal the big old bad federal government didn’t do this to him because the big old bad federal government doesn’t even require that disappears trigger a duty to register but yet he’s a level three sex offender and and he’s he’s potentially facing this restriction. Now I get it looks like they’re grandfathering the people that are there on the 1200 feet within Fargo schools and parks but but everybody who blames the federal government database data motion I did do this data Walsh Act doesn’t require indecent exposure even be

Andy 36:57
a sex offense. I’m trying to find the section in the ocean article where he talks about outside organizations trying to create problems with their local setup. I can’t remember where it was I just had it a minute ago. Did you see that?

Larry 37:10
I don’t recall that part. Are you are you smoking at Waikiki wheat again?

Andy 37:14
I think it’s this one says pipe corn is maybe the guy’s name says he thinks that some research have an agenda to support REITs for sex offenders and he said he’s been getting most of his negative feedback from out of state groups that’s got to be you people there

Larry 37:29
that’s probably he’s he’s talking about these like war and Arsalan axle days outside agitators and that’s what they do when they don’t have anything else to argue with. They can’t argue with the facts. They aren’t they they scare people about outsiders. We don’t have any problems but here except for the outside agitators coming in and stirring up problems. I have to play a quick little clip. I don’t have to tell you who gets hurt first when this sort of thing happens to you, your people. Your people date. I know that

Unknown Speaker 38:00
You know that someone in chat asked if I could figure out a way to get ross perot into the podcast tonight?

Unknown Speaker 38:07
While you did, I did but

Andy 38:09
yeah, that was one of the things that I was looking for was that particular thing and that has to be the nozzles and the wars and the axles and so forth.

Larry 38:15
So that was who it would be. And that’s the same thing that’s going on in Georgia. these outside groups are coming in and interfering with we didn’t have no complaints in Blitz, Canada Not a single sex offender complaint about the science until these agitators came in. Maybe you people should stop. Well, there are some who say we should leave it on our side.

Andy 38:36
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Larry 40:02
Well, this will give me a chance to do a little pontification, we can do a little question and answer back and forth with it and maybe some people in chat. I understand the fear of registry violations. The penalties are very significant in some states, and there’s mandatory. Some states like Oklahoma, there’s a mandatory, you will go to prison because the legislature has mandated that there’s no suspended sentence in my state, there is no mandatory jail time, there’s a potential for a four three felony which carries a maximum of 18 months. But most of the time probation is what a person is going to get here. So I understand completely understand your fear because they’re sitting down with stopwatches and some of these law enforcement agencies. And I gotta clarify they don’t sit with a stop watch in the eastern shore of Maryland. And they don’t do it in house and County, Georgia. But in other places around the country, they actually set will stop watch waiting for the person’s 90 day 30 day intervals, or in the case of a homeless, it may be a weekly interval to pass so that they can write up a complaint and and seek an arrest warrant. So your fear is completely reasonable, rational and justified. But then we have to balance that with the reality of what it takes in most states to convict a person. In order to secure a conviction, you have to have a willing prosecutor. I grant you, you might find a willing law enforcement agent. I’m not saying that there’s going to be thousands of them, but you might find a willing law enforcement agency, but the law enforcement that the deputy or the police officers model out the brain, the prosecution, they’re not attorneys, so they need the Office of the State prosecutor, the state district attorney, the county attorney some some prosecutorial authority, and it’s very unlikely that you’re going to get a prosecuting agency who’s going to jump on board with that prosecution, knowing that the defense attorney if they’re allowed to say their client, of course, is going to say, well, it was in the middle of a public pandemic with a public health proclamation of stay home. Don’t go out unless you have to. And there would be hundreds and maybe thousands of articles, certainly doesn’t say your state locale where your local officials have told you to stay home Unless Unless it’s an emergency, unless you really need to go out. I just don’t see a prosecution as being a viable option, a conviction, then you’d have to overcome citizens, even the citizens are going to be hesitant to convict a person who’s otherwise been compliant. And they’ve been registering for seven years, and they’ve never missed anything. And if I’m defense attorney, I’m going to say my closing arguments, I must say, Well, here we are, unfortunately, this case has been brought before and I consider it to be a great waste of the taxpayers resources and it’s a waste of your time and I’m sorry, you had to take the day off work to be here, and to sit through this. And I hope that this will be a quick deliberation because clearly my client has been compliant has never sought to evade compliance. And they simply took the action of not coming in because of public health concerns. My client is 62 years old. He has a compromised immune system. He did report and because of the advice of the health authorities, and ladies, gentlemen, the jury, I would ask you to return a very quick not guilty verdict is what you’d be likely to get.

Andy 43:21
Yeah, I feel you on that one, the part I try to find situations in the world where you have to essentially impossible choices and this would be one of them, where you are told by law to go do your registration thing. The police say yes, you have to come in and register, you are then imposing upon yourself willfully that you could get infected with something that would kill you, or choice B, stay home, violate the law, and potentially get convicted and go back to prison for some undetermined amount of time. That is literally to impossible choices.

Unknown Speaker 43:57
That is a difficult choice. I don’t think as being quite that dire, I would I would not ever advise anyone at the Douglas County Sheriff and saying come in or else. I’m not going to countermand that, since I can’t save you if you were to be arrested, but I’m telling you, the likelihood of a conviction would be very, very low. In view of all the closing law, go ahead. And and, and But see, this is something that hasn’t been prepared. This would be where you would have the difference between Gorsuch and Scalia, and you would have the intent of the law versus the black letter law. If you put this before Of course it Joe Scalia. They’d say, well, you’re a person, aren’t you? Yes. You are required to register every 90 days. Yes. You did go over the 90 days. Did you know is there is there an exigent circumstances and some statutory schemes they are they say if there’s a natural disaster, or something, there’s some there was There’s an excusable for any ability to comply with the legislature did not put in in this case, maybe they did in Nebraska. Maybe they didn’t have a link to the statute. But if they didn’t put anything in there, the Gorsuch or the Scalia would say, Well, if they had wanted that they would have said that. And the best way for me to get them to put that in there is for me to find the person guilty, because if they want an exception, they should put that in there. We’re not here at our black robes to write in those exceptions. And then you would have the, the Siva Brier, who looks at the intent of the law with the intent of law, of course, is to have people comply, and a person who’s complying all throughout their their required compliance period, and they willfully don’t cover their non compliance. It’s not willful, you’d have say, well, that’s not the intent of law course. We wouldn’t want to find this person guilty, they would overturn the conviction. So I guess it but you’d have to decide whether you’re textualist or would you believe in intent, and it’s what Scalia refers to as purpose of Islam?

Andy 45:56
Yeah, that’s a we need to actually like put a pushpin, in this particular situation of the intent versus because I’m, you know, of course it said that the dude should have stayed with the truck and potentially die freezing to death that like, hey, that’s that’s what this means. I yeah I would be more inclined like who was going to think of in 2019 we’re going to have this literally it’s the third pandemic in our recorded history that we know of like this and under the circumstances that you were forced to register or forced to catch the you know, catch the disease all that stuff like somebody should you couldn’t plan that ahead. As

Unknown Speaker 46:33
I was saying that you wouldn’t you wouldn’t even draft not even the most detailed bill drafter was not saying well wait a minute now pandemics What can we do? Okay, well, let’s see what that last 119 18 Oh, well. Okay, let’s plan for the next pandemic. That would not go just like the visitations. So your sex offenders are convinced the people required to register was like I said, we pay or what do they call it P r. What was the term we’re supposed to use for those of Most

Andy 47:00
people forced to register is what I thought it was.

Unknown Speaker 47:03
To PFR. Right? The the people were there crafting the laws. They’re not sitting around saying, Oh, well now what do we do with the PF ours? They might want to disarm me that never comes out on it. This guy, Larry, that’s why

Andy 47:16
he has, you know, 7000 pages and did you read it? No, I didn’t read all 7000 pages because we’re some bullshit section on some pandemic, when is there going to ever be a pandemic?

Unknown Speaker 47:25
So, all right, so there’s there’s there’s no there’s no discussion about pf Rs, when when when they wrote their law and Nebraska, no one raised the issue apparently, about what to do in an emergency Nebraska doesn’t typically have a lot of hurricanes and and the weather related events would be tornadic and probably snow that you would have that would disrupt people’s lives and they’re they’re pretty well equipped for dealing with snow and tornadoes. You have to adjust as they come. But But

Andy 47:54
no one ever thought of closing paragraph of this particular says our advice to register people is you must buy a book I must abide by the stupid law for the duration of this pandemic take a large quantity of disinfecting with you when you go check in and use it liberally in your surrounding to keep yourself from getting affected at the sheriff’s office.

Unknown Speaker 48:12
Well, I’m I’m not going to say I disagree with that advice if the sheriff’s office has said that, but what I would be doing if I were Nebraskan center afraid I would be going to the prosecutor’s office or be going to the Douglas County District Attorney or Douglas County prosecutor, whatever they call it, and I’d be asking them to proclaim they will not prosecute anyone who has otherwise been compliant. I’m not talking about a person who’s been off the grid, like the guy who moved from Colorado and got himself into a barroom brawl, and he had registered, I’m not talking about him. I’m talking about people who have been willingly compliant and who are non compliant for this duration of this pandemic. That’s the only people I’m talking about. And if you could get to Douglas County prosecutor to say they’re not going to prosecute, it makes no difference what the sheriff says. The sheriff can can say you come in or else and you can do anything you want to but the prosecutors not gonna move forward. He can’t do Without the prosecutor’s office.

Andy 49:01
Moving over to an article from the hill, this one was submitted by one of our super patron type folks, and it’s from the hill and DOJ appeals to Congress for new emergency powers amid pandemic just got put in super late in our show prep stuff, and you had to do a speed read on it. And you you had some kind of horrifying ideas of these different provisions that they’re trying to ask for.

Larry 49:25
Well, what I’m going to take a political tone, which I guess is my prerogative. And I’m going to draw some analogies here, which we did in pre show banter. If this is accurate, and we’re given when we put an article in here, sometimes we we have to go with the the source of the hill is saying that the Department of Justice now the US Department of Justice is under the direct control of the President. The Attorney General runs the department justice and Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the President. So anytime the Department of Justice asks for something, we’re assuming that the President is okay. Without request, because the President would simply say, we’re asking for what did you say we want? I don’t I don’t think so. Oh, you withdraw that request. So I’m assuming that this has been blessed by the President or released by the Vice President, or by high level administration officials. What scares me as what is as big salt and and the request that some of it does does seems relatively benign, about judges being able to stop proceedings during a national emergency. But in addition to the of Jay has asked the ability to ask chief judges to permanently detain an individual without trial during emergencies. That’s scary. Okay, who would we detain an individual which individuals accused of what what would the standard of detention be? And would there be an appeal process for those people? Or would we just lock them up?

Andy 50:55
A Bay kind of

Unknown Speaker 50:56
scares me. That’s that’s kind of a difference. Guantanamo Bay and another proposal but reportedly waives the statue of limitations for criminal investigations as well as civil trials during an emergency, and could last up to an additional year following the end of the national emergency. Now, that’s scary. And I don’t know that you could do that for the states, the states that still have statutes of limitations which there evaporating in view of all me to both but but, but that is certainly at the federal level, you could you could tell the statue of limitations and that’s, that’s very scary to be now, as I said, a pre show. This is the small government people. This administration, just in power, said, as previous conservative administrations have said, that they’re about reducing the size of government and the power of government. And, as they did in 2001, when they created the past the Patriot Act, which requires every financial institution to spy on you and do all these massive amounts of reports and tracking of your transactions, to creating the transportation Security Administration which gropes and fondles, even eight, nine year old kids, and 70 and 80 year old women, and runs you through an X ray machine that shows your junk, although they do block it out, and I have to go credit, but but they run you through a scanning machine that shows your junk, you know, this is a charge you $5 and 60 cents, when the when they used to be in private hands. This is also the small government mentality that created the Department of Homeland Security, which does all these poor investigations and provides massive amounts of resources to help local law enforcement to do what really should be local law enforcement. So this is coming from a small government side of the of the political spectrum. And it seems to be a dramatic expansion of government, potentially, if it passes, and I would say that since it’s being solved by the administration, assuming this is true, that it likely will not have significant opposition in the Senate. It may encounter some in the house but there again, if you oppose These type of things, then they hold up the Patriot card. And they say you’re not a patriotic American. They question your patriotism like they did the people who opposed some of the measures after 911 know, the the Pfizer chord and all the things that we had, that we’ve that we’ve given up, you have our privacy, those who who oppose that were labeled as unpatriotic. And it was politically almost impossible to fight against that. That’s what worries me about this crisis. This crisis may lead to further erosion of our basic due process rights, which is nothing more fundamentalist and know what you’re charged with, and have the right to to be released and not be held indefinitely. And that’s

Andy 53:43
scary. This is also the people that are all about some originalism and the text and being constitutional and you have a right to know your charges and all that stuff, don’t you?

Larry 53:53
Well, you would think so. But, like say it but but there’s, I think it’s time for you to play Lester here because this isn’t Before

Andy 54:00
he says that he says ha cracy Here we go

Unknown Speaker 54:02
for you to come back and call mine Mars is a farce it’s an act of hypocrisy is is a terrible way to treat a guest on your show and

Andy 54:12
you know it there you go there’s some hypocrisy from Lester records record like an actual vinyl record but by the time we finished this podcast that that thing would be worn out and be all grainy sounding. You remember those days? you’d wear out a record?

Larry 54:30
I sure do. I played the new kid in town Fred have an album I couldn’t find it on single and I like like that song so much by the Eagles. Well, I gave it back to him. He said Why did you screw up my my track? I said which one he taught me exactly what you want us

Andy 54:45
because you you lifted up the needle that many times and played that one track enough that many times to wear it out? Well,

Unknown Speaker 54:52
he had he had a much better he was in the sound system. So he had a much better stereo system that I had. But apparently I played it enough times that he To detect the scratching on his when he played it on his back in

Andy 55:04
the day Larry I had like I had a little like a little almost like a shoe shine brush but it was specifically for records and in some spray and you’d like spray the vinyl and then you’d wipe off all the dust and you put it back in the sleeve and you know, put it on the shelf like back in the day.

Larry 55:20
Yeah, well, the records are coming back pay for buying vinyl again. I don’t understand why but

Andy 55:25
they always say there’s, they say there’s some sort of special sound to it. And I’ve never ever been able to figure that one out. Never ever, ever. Well, let’s move over to an article from a girl.com alabama.com Alabama judge orders jail inmates released then leaves it up to the sheriff. So first he said they were going to release everybody that had you know, lower end charges but then said oh, well, I guess we’ll leave it up to the local sheriff to this is something you know, we’ve been kind of hitting on throughout the show tonight. That if you have minor charges, you know, I’m going to go back to felony again. Walking Larry. And, you know, so maybe you shouldn’t be held in detention just like okay, fine, you’re getting charged, you’re getting booked and then go home.

Larry 56:08
Well, unfortunately, Elmore County Sheriff bill Franklin doesn’t agree. And he said that it would be poor policy public policy to release some inmates with bonds as low as $5,000. He said examples would be sex offenders who do not have an approved residents and people waiting on a probate court hearing for mental health issues. And and Okay, so I’ve got a substitute it would be pf ours rather than sex offender so it’s so let’s change that it would be pf ours who don’t have an approved presence. And what I’m struggling with on that is is does it mean if a PFR in Alabama doesn’t have a proof of residence did they get locked up like when their prison sentence and so your your your time is ended in the state in the state, you’re through it at the state level for your for your conviction, do they lock you up in a local jail if you if you don’t have an approved residence or i’m not i’m not clear on what that means and why would you have a bond anyway but but this this this year is grandstanding and using PFR for

Unknown Speaker 57:12
people that have mental health issues

Larry 57:15
and most of the time most of the time all those holes you really don’t have a bond solve with with when when we’re when we have a mental health hold you generally can’t bond out the reason why they have that hold on is because you’re deemed too risky to help you’re either gonna hurt yourself or you’re gonna hurt somebody

Andy 57:31
very bizarre Euler very bizarre that we would have just I don’t get the idea of putting someone inside that enclosed container with all the with potentially all the other sick people you could be the sick person that is now infecting the population. I know you should have thought about that. Blah, blah, blah, whatever bullshit. Like I this seems like, Okay, can we change the rules just for a little while? Probably like six weeks, two months, maybe three months? Can we just change the way we think for a little while?

Larry 57:59
Well, apparently circuit judge my door they should or did but but he didn’t. And Alabama he’s probably a little gun shy but of being too aggressive because judges are like that

Andy 58:10
an elephant Persky situation, perhaps.

Unknown Speaker 58:13
Yeah, you you got it you got it. You got to be careful when you’re usurping the sheriff’s are elected. Yeah, as well. And you don’t want to Sheriff running against a judge not running for the judge’s office but but campaigning against the judge that I’m trying to protect you. And that liberal judge upper in in Birmingham issued this old and I will have to let people out and you ain’t gonna be safe, and it ain’t my fault. So I won’t I’m encouraging you to vote against him. Come November.

Unknown Speaker 58:48
How’s that for? How’s that for a

Andy 58:51
girl there man? deep deep Southern. Perhaps we should then move over to an article from the Shreveport times chief Raman announces changes in police complex operations in response to Cova 19. And this is some other place that is making it so that they are not going to lock up people. I’m sorry, this is going to be like registration. The detective Bureau is open on a limited basis. sex offender registration is suspended for about three weeks from now, I guess. Don’t Don’t just show up at the office call in for appointments, if you need help, obviously call them and so forth. But like people are shutting down and they are at least like considering the people forced to register in their their, their scheduling.

Larry 59:40
Well, you know, nozzle nozzle did put out a press release later last week, this week, or we’re looking at we put out a press release a few days ago. And we’re hoping that more and more law enforcement will follow behind an urn out similar similar changes. But even if they don’t And think about the PFR. They they have to care about their personnel and their families. And since we don’t know who’s carrying this, unless you’re going to put all your people in protective gear, you really need to just be selfish and shut down for your own reason for your own selfish purposes. But, but I would like to think that there’s some good people law enforcement out there, and that everybody doesn’t have such you know, such a Calvin or attitude toward those forced to register. In fact, I know there’s some good people out there because I hear the stories. I hear stories on a regular basis about how professionally sub departments process things now, there are a whole lot of don’t, but they’re all they’re all some good people out there. This may be one of the good ones. Hopefully it is thinking back to when I was first released, and I lived in a hotel for a period of time. And

Andy 1:00:53
I want to say it was because the officer was lazy, but you know, maybe he had different reasons he would not come upstairs so he would call me from his car and I would like poked my head out. And we were just talking over the phone for, you know, 10 or 30 seconds, whatever, like everything, okay? interaction with law enforcement, alcohol, anything like that, and then you move on, ah, you could totally handle all of your if you’re if your statutes provide for that, I guess I guess certain states could be, hey, you are required to go into the office, whereas mine, they happen to say that they’re going to come to me, but they could do it from their car, and they could call me and even if we’re standing, just, you know, from my door to their car, we could conduct the quote unquote, interview through glass, essentially.

Larry 1:01:31
Well, well, let’s say there again, your state doesn’t require to my knowledge last time I looked at the statute that they go out. They don’t require that you come

Andy 1:01:38
in, they changed that a handful of years ago. This is something you don’t go to the office anymore. They come out.

Larry 1:01:44
Yes. Is that right? So so they they break their fingerprinting? No.

Andy 1:01:50
I always I always like I always blend the two together. I always blend the two. I’m talking about handlers coming out and doing their monthly checks for supervision. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 1:01:58
yeah. Well, we’re trying to register I

Andy 1:02:01
always blend them together. I know that they’re separate, but I just always do.

Larry 1:02:04
So okay, well in terms of the registration, they This is their their suspending in person registration. And and that’s that’s what narshall called on to do. We’re assuming that the probation people are going to protect themselves, because there’s no law that generally there’s no law that requires that you visit a PEO on a certain schedule, they set their own schedule, so they’re free to change their own schedules. But there are statutory requirements, that that that require as frequently as weekly that people go into a physical location. And that that’s what chief Raymond has suspended and he’s put in protocols that that that make it clear that not only is he suspending the in person visits for sex offender registration, but also almost all in person visits to the law enforce, but they’re running a skeletal operation encourage him but he’s the phone. The old fashioned phone. Imagine a man

Andy 1:02:57
I don’t ever pick up the phone and dial anybody. Ever Send me a text message.

Larry 1:03:03
And he called me one time back in I think it was in 2017.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:07
I called you. I called you back this morning.

Larry 1:03:12
Yeah, but it was in response, but you’ve initiated one call since we’ve known each other.

Andy 1:03:16
I did skip the nurse article talking about that press release. Is there anything else about the press release? I just want to make sure that we have it because it’s in the show notes for anybody that wants to cover it.

Larry 1:03:26
Well, I’m very, I’m very, very pleased that we got that out there. I don’t think that people are going to tremble in their boots and all of a sudden, but what we do hope it does is it provokes thought. And we’re hoping that enterprising reporters even if they don’t call us that they call the law enforcement and say really, are you still requiring these people come? Are you not concerned about the health and well being of your of your deputies and their families? We’re hoping that it provokes more people to do what what what chief Raymond has done that will alleviate and ameliorate the concern On on our constituents, because there are people out there who are just terrified that, that if they don’t go in there, something bad’s gonna happen. And there’s no way that we can guarantee them. Absolutely. That it won’t

Andy 1:04:10
you tell me what kind of impact these press releases and communications? Do. I was having a conversation with one of our listeners earlier about, I don’t know if it was about this. But if something similar about, you know, what’s it going to do? If you just throw this thing out there, we oppose this thing, like, Who’s going to listen, does anybody give a flip? And my point back was, so we should do nothing in return? What would you suggest we do instead of can you elaborate on that part of that?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:40
Well, if you don’t do a press release, thinking you’re going to change the world. You do a press release, trying to get information on when General Motors releases their quarterly earnings and their announcement their dividend. They don’t think it’s going to change the world but they think it’s going to empower people in particular, they announced a very good quarter. If they announced an increase in the quarterly dividend. Well, we put out a press release We don’t think that the world is going to magically change. But what we do think is going to happen is that more and more journalists are going to become familiar because as more and more of our press releases hit newsrooms, they, they say, well, gee, this has become a regular, we’ve seen more and more of this outfit and somebody in some of their downtime, they go and do a little googling and figure out what narshall is all about. And then, as they say, more and more of our press releases, hopefully some of these people call they’re, that they’re there. They’re having a slack day, and they need something to work on. And they call the sheriff or they call the police chief police chief and say, what’s your reaction to this to figure out if they can get a story to run with? So you never know, it’s hard to measure the impact of this? We don’t know how many people have been called that that for the press release went out. Now. We don’t know. We know there’s a tremendous amount of activity in newsrooms right now. So we know that there’s a lot of background chatter. So our stuff, since we’re not as well known, probably would not get the same urgency that something came from the CDC but Hold the other hand, the way it was you, you try to draw attention by by the subject line, and hopefully, someone, it has benefited from this, but we can’t tell you who we can tell you that’s the purpose of a news release is to get more information out, get more public discourse, and hopefully get a change of attitudes.

Andy 1:06:19
I do understand I do want to point out that we had a couple other articles describing the same thing. One of them is from, I guess, Sioux county Daily News. I don’t even know where did that end up coming from but Sioux County Sheriff’s Office in Orange City, they have closed the business office all in person sex offender registry and related issues are suspended indefinitely. That’s a long time, Larry.

Larry 1:06:40
Well, and And somehow, I looked over this one, but this is this is also good news. That that that until further notice, you don’t have to go and now we’re going to have people that are going to still try to go in. They either won’t know about this, or they won’t trust it. And if you feel like you must go Do something that that PFR is have have traditionally been hesitant to do, document everything. document the date, either by old fashioned hand, pencil and paper, or with your camera phone, document that they’ve got a padlock on the door, document that any signage that they have, and do everything you can to make that risk of going to this office worth your while. And if you do go in and successfully register them, we’d actually like to hear about that who’s still conducting register because we’d like to bless the public for conducting tests witnesses thought an essential function. So document document

Andy 1:07:42
document, another one from Dallas plates, police department they are where does it say they will be asked to confirm their information but then instructed to call and make an appointment to come back at a later date. So they’re essentially it would seem that they’re essentially shut it down as well in Dallas.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:58
So but hopefully The positive change that comes out of this, again, if nothing bad happens, hopefully some of the elected public officials, particularly with our suggestion, look, we went on our three month hiatus, and we didn’t have any in person verifications, and nothing bad happened. That would be

Andy 1:08:17
to send that stick like we have this window, we have a, we have a natural experiment where this stuff was put on hold in these specific places, and the world didn’t explode. So can’t that just become the norm for the rest of the world for policy? It’s like,

Unknown Speaker 1:08:36
but See, the problem is there is going to be when you have anywhere from 750,000 to more out there roaming the streets and the PFR population. Someone on any given day is committing a sex offense. If you were to look at the nationwide I would be surprised if a PFR didn’t commit a sex offense daily because the recidivism rate is somewhere in the one to 3% range. So if you take 2% I have three quarters of a million. and extrapolate that down mathematician. How many sex offenses Is that a lot? All right, well, then there’s probably a sex offense occurring daily. So someone is going during this hiatus, someone is going to commit a sex offense this required to register, and that’s going to be vilified and sensationalized? Well, if they had been coming in, this wouldn’t have happened. This is what happens when you don’t monitor those kind of people.

Andy 1:09:24
I do understand what you’re saying. I just yeah, so someone’s gonna use it for some sort of political points or the news media is going to use it to get ratings. But the truth be have no flipping difference.

Larry 1:09:37
It makes no difference. They would have committed the offense anyway. Had they not gone in or had they gone and it wouldn’t make any difference? There. There will be reference by people forced to register. They don’t magically all never offend again. That’s why people have that’s why people have more than one conviction in some cases.

Andy 1:09:56
Yes, of course. Of course, of course, because they couldn’t hold them. back. Are you ready to close out the show? I have a little special treat if you are. Well let’s see

Larry 1:10:05
that we have anything we didn’t cover as far

Andy 1:10:07
as I know we do not. Alrighty,

Larry 1:10:09
well then what about the hundred and 60 people that are in chat?

Andy 1:10:11
There are a bunch of questions. I don’t no one has asked any questions. I do want to absolutely thank all of you because there’s a whole slew I know you are at home tonight too. So don’t give me any crap. Oh, I was busy. I was out partying with all my friends. No, you were not you were at home because we’re all on lockdown. Like all of us are locked out. But I do want to thank each and every one of you for coming and joining us in chat. But I have something special that I came across on my show prep stuff. There. Have you heard of a actor comedian musician named Steve Martin? Who is that? I just I just can’t, I can’t even fathom

Larry 1:10:44
Have you heard of a movie called the jerk? The one

Andy 1:10:48
I give up. So there’s this guy been around since the 70s I believe. And his name is Steve Martin and he has kind of moved off of this comedian career. And he’s a musician. He’s a pretty strong banjo player. He just posted on something on Twitter of just 60 seconds of banjo just to make you happy. So here is Steve Barton and some banjo

Unknown Speaker 1:11:16
we can close out the show on this place

Andy 1:11:20
I don’t know that anybody wants to hear some banjo because I actually like this. I have a Pandora station that is based on Steve Martin and his banjo.

Larry 1:11:28
I like I like my I like my good night’s sleep tight a lot better.

Unknown Speaker 1:11:31
I know this is significantly better. Larry, come on now.

Larry 1:11:37
Well, let two people be the judge of that. All

Andy 1:11:40
right. Well, where can people find the podcast? What’s the website?

Larry 1:11:46
registry matters dot c.

Andy 1:11:51
And our phone our phone bill is probably going to become due and we don’t have the income to pay for it. So that’s gonna get shut off but if you use it, it’s a phone number.

Larry 1:12:01
Oh, that would be 747274477.

Andy 1:12:08
And how about emailing?

Larry 1:12:11
And we were we haven’t had enough email recently either registry matters cast@gmail.com.

Andy 1:12:19
And of course, the best way for you to support the podcast keep us going here is to go whether patreon.com slash registry matters. I so very much appreciate your time. I appreciate everybody in chat. I appreciate everybody that’s out there listening. I deeply hope that you practice everything that you can to be safe and that you stay safe. And I hope we all get through this just fine and everything comes out great on the other side.

Larry 1:12:45
Thank you. Good night, Andy.

Andy 1:12:47
Take care guys. Bye bye.

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