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Andy 0:11
registry matters as an independent production? The opinions and ideas here are that of the hosts and do not reflect the opinions of any other organization. If you have a problem with these thoughts fyp recording live from fyp Studios, east and west transmitting across the internet. This is Episode 122 of registry matters. Larry, do you have your mascot?

Larry 0:35
I do not have anything other than a few dust masks.

Andy 0:39
I was thinking about this and I was like okay, so you know they’re suggesting that you wear one at all times now. Okay, great. Whatever. I don’t have anything I don’t have a bandana. I don’t have any masks to cut the grass. I don’t have anything that I could put on my face other than like tie a T shirt around my head.

Larry 0:55
That’s probably about all I have the dust mask probably no more effective than that. But I think it’s interesting, I was struggling with the weather advice the whole time because they were saying don’t wear a face mask unless you’re caring for someone who has the virus or unless you’re have the virus to protect others. And that caring for a person really troubled me. Because if the person is able to excrete droplets that you would pick up with a matte mask would protect you. If you’re caring for a person, obviously, you wouldn’t be trying to protect them from getting it if they already have it. And I couldn’t understand how it would protect you from their droplets, but it wouldn’t protect you from droplets that would be greeted by people who maybe had not been diagnosed. yet. It seems like to me if it’ll protect from droplets that would protect from profits no matter who’s, who’s who the person was. I can’t think of a nice way to say that that was a screening the droplets.

Unknown Speaker 1:52
The infected plague caring person.

Larry 1:54
Yeah, it’s still I was troubled and then those have been listening for a long, long time. Now. I’ve, I’ve questioned how the things that we’ve been able to do a long time ago we’ve, we somehow can’t do now. And no example was ending homelessness and in 1970, by the 1970s, we didn’t have homelessness, getting to the moon by 1969. And then there was an effort underway in the 90s. To get back to the moon, they discovered it would take longer to get back to the moon, if we were to go, didn’t took in original effort to get to the moon. And I’m thinking, well, where did the knowledge go? If we could figure out how to get there? We figured out at 1918 the US was on the cutting edge of several cities and local locations around the country required mass as the evidence or articles I’ve been reading unless they are to suggest that it was very effective. And then the US that knowledge would have gone down to the evaporation. So we we knew 100 years ago, that people should be wearing masks, and there was a benefit from wearing masks, and then the whole continent of Asia. Every time they have an infection. You practically everyone wearing a mask, at least the people who make it on TV, they’re in public. But yeah, we drop the idea of of covering our faces. And it seems like that was basic knowledge we learned 100 years ago.

Andy 3:10
I wonder I’ve been thinking a lot about this since you brought this up to me a couple of days ago, that I wonder if a lot of this doesn’t come from a completely disjointed message from the top down of how serious this is. When this all started, we knew about it in China, and it being called the Chinese virus. And so it’s like it’s not going to hit America because we’re exceptional. What like, no worries. We knew in December that it was it was happening, and then we saw things escalate. And both us and South Korea detected in country on the same day, South Korea ramped up their entire infrastructure to deal with it and social distancing and masks and all that stuff. What do we do?

Larry 3:53
Well, I don’t know. I’m going to probably let my liberal progressive listeners if they have any doubt But I’m not going to be quite that that bizarre, you know, the United States is a vast, vast nation compared to South Korea in terms of territory. And we have we have we have vastly different different governmental structures. There’s the federal government, this country was designed to be a very weak government and the listeners out there don’t say, well, gee, he, He’s nuts, cuz we have a very strong central government. But that’s not the design. The design is for the states and local governments to do the most of the government, except for those powers are specifically reserved for the federal government. So I’m going to let my my progressives down to think to what I’m saying that I don’t think the state local people did nearly enough. I don’t think that there was enough planning between hospital administrators, I don’t think there was enough local preparedness done. I don’t think that there was given giving thought to an epidemic. I think that most of the state and locals wash their hands on it’s kind of like the federal disaster relief. Before we had the FEMA that we We had very little federal we had a previous predecessor called the Office of Emergency Preparedness, which was mostly dealing with civil defense but with with the threat of a nuclear attack, but, but, but but responding to disasters has morphed into a federal responsibility. And, again, not so sure that that’s what the founders intended. And I think I think that I hear so much criticism of President of the administration. And I wish that locals and the state governors are going to be so critical of the of the President, I wish they would be a little bit more self examination, examine it, do some self examination of themselves in terms of what they could have done better, and what they will be definitely doing better going forward. And so I’ve been a little, I’ve been a little bit disturbed by the constant constant barrage of criticism. I mean, it’s difficult to look ahead and say we’re gonna have a pandemic in 2020. And we want to buy millions and millions of ventilator so we’re talking about millions, hundreds of millions to take hundreds and hundreds of millions of masks to have to To have the have to be able to ever ever American. And we want to stockpile these and we want to put them in. Can you imagine the political sell that that would be? Okay now, Mr. Mr. President, you want to spend $17 billion for emergency preparedness for a pandemic? And now, what evidence do you have, there’s going to be a panic. But while we know there will be some time, well, I mean, politically, that’s just not an easy sell. It really is.

Andy 6:24
I won’t disagree with you there, especially you know, capitalistic nation, we want to spend money on something that maybe is going to happen. But we, we did see this coming for people to potentially go out and buy their toilet paper a month in advance, not just wait till all of a sudden, the day flipped. And Trump went from being very dismissive of it, and you can find clips of him for a month long. Oh, man, there’s only eight cases in the country. Oh, that was this is gonna blow us right by and then all of a sudden getting on television, his hands clasps on the desk saying oh my god, we now have something that’s a serious threat to our country. It was a one day flip. I think that was in the middle of March when he gave that US National address.

Larry 7:05
Well, I’m thinking that we can have March 12 13th in that room because when I had my own epiphany I had largely been not because Trump said it was. I had largely thought that since I had lived through so many health scares in my lifetime, I was under the same notion that was overreaction and I was very dismissive myself until a particular weekend or what I read all the information I could get. And again, it’s constantly changing, for example, the mask recommendations, but I read all the information I forget. And I said, Wow, this is this is very serious because it’s, it has the potential to be a pandemic, and it has the potential to hurt a lot of people. And it has when there’s no vaccine, there’s no treatment. I quickly Brenda can attest to how I went from being dismissive to saying, gee, I was wrong. This is this is serious stuff. We don’t know who was advising the president. We don’t know. We don’t know. We know that the President tends to be a dismissive person. Everything is in his vocabulary is the greatest thing he tends to, to over state and like the greatest economy ever destroyed, not the greatest economy ever. It’s a good economy. He inherited that economy. That was a good, good economy at the time he went, he was sworn in. But But he hates he tends, I mean, he’s just he’s just not a person who his persona doesn’t allow him to be to be this. This is doom and gloom. I mean, he’s, that’s just not who he is. And I’m not magically becoming a Trump fan. But But I would like to be fair to the President. Tell

Andy 8:45
us that you actually have like a Trump plushie at home and you sleep right?

Unknown Speaker 8:51
Well, it’s I’ve been home bound more i’ve i’ve seen more and more stuff that just, if I were in Trump’s position, I would be reacting the way he’s really reacting to some of it. I mean, I saw a cost. I didn’t put it in. But I saw Acosta with just just constantly, just constantly from CNN for those who don’t know who he is because our audience probably watches Fox more than CNN, but, but Acosta just, he won’t even let the president finish the question. He asked him. Yeah, he starts biting Finally, the Trump has to say, Well, excuse me, let me finish. You know, if you don’t like the answer, you need to at least let the person finish it. He he just so rude. And he hates he wanted to he was asking him about a czar who’s the health Health and Human Services Secretary who said the biggest thing that scares him is that there might be might be a pandemic. Well, if you’re the Secretary of Health and Human Services, that would be something that you would spend a lot of time thinking about, you know, are we prepared for this. But again, putting forth a plan to get prepared for something that may or may not ever happen, is tough to sell in a political environment. It may be easier to sell going forward. Now that we We’ve gone through this shutdown, it might be easier to sell the notion of stockpiling stuff, but but prior to this, looking, looking ahead, prior to this, it would be very tough to go in and get those type of appropriations.

Andy 10:13
Tell me this, knowing that we had 3 million unemployment claims and then 6 million. Do you think that kind of sorta in a handful of months, we quote unquote, give the all clear and we click a switch and 20 million people go back to work in two weeks or something like that.

Larry 10:29
Since we’re in such uncharted territory, I don’t know how they’re going to it’s easy, easier to shut things down that is to restart things. You know, the hell, how you reopen, significantly shut down economy now the economy’s completely shut down. I mean, people that’s a misnomer. There’s, there’s, there’s a tremendous amount segments of the economy still working. I mean, factories are still running, churning out product. People still buy groceries. The trucks are still Along the road moving stuff, emergency services, hospitals and police and fire. I mean, there’s there’s a tremendous amount of they called him up and running. But the parts that are down like putting an airline industry when you’ve parked, I think some airlines have grounded over half of their fleet. I’m sure it isn’t and sent their workers home and bring bring in these people back to work, what the psychological damage has been done to scare of, of being being in public again, people are not going to magically, we’re telling people now that they need to wear a mask when they’re on public. Can we produce enough face masks to satiate the desire without a vaccine assuming that you can’t get a shot in the arm that makes you immune from this? Can we produce enough protective equipment where the population will be ready to return to work when the all clear sound is

Andy 11:50
a wonder if it’s not just so it’s probably at least six months away from a vaccine that somewhere in the in that range when we get a vaccine and like we can inoculate the planet Like everything then goes back to normal.

Larry 12:02
I’m hearing a whole lot longer than six months. I mean, I’m hearing I’ve just

Andy 12:05
heard on the short side at six months, but it’s somewhere between, you know, 812 to 18 months, but we’re months into it now and in the virus’s structure is very similar to ours. So they already have like working models. This is way outside of my my zone of expertise. I just hear I’m basically regurgitating what someone else has said. But we’re not starting from scratch and working, how it how it works.

Larry 12:26
Hey, well, we should Well, it’s going it’s going to be a learning curve for us to figure out how you shut down a significant part of a vibrant economy. And then you have you’re doing in a democratic society, it’s a lot easier and in a society where people have less democratic when when you can’t vote to change things. It’s a lot easier to issue orders. But but we’re we’re in a country where if we tighten the noose too much, politically Assad to go there, there’s got to be a repudiation. We’re going to have a lot of discussion about these decisions where they were necessary after after this after this does pass. And so in terms of in terms of Trump, first of all, there’s the separation of state and federal responsibility. And I’m not I’m not clear that the Federal I’m not sure that federal government can’t shut down all the states and issue an order. I’m not sure that that authorities there, but these governors who are in the states that are that are holding out, they’re holding out because they feel that they don’t have the people support. I mean, that’s, that’s what’s what’s causing them to hold out. If you have the people support, it’s difficult. This is a voluntary system of self containment. There’s no way to police you have to want to contain and you have to want to stay home, you have to want to contribute this as a small contribution based on what we know now, that if you can possibly stay out of public and out of contact, you help yourself and your fellow humans to not be infected. And you have to want to make that contribution because there’s no point 30 cops can’t guard everybody’s door, make sure they don’t go anywhere.

Andy 14:03
That’s something I wanted to throw at you is just, to me, you being the explainer of things and how language works. Me being, let’s just say above average intelligence, the order came out to lock down Georgia six o’clock last night. And I read through the order. And my main concern for me is can I go outside my door and go for a walk in the morning at 5am? I normally don’t run into anybody, but I sure as hell don’t want to run into a cop and go put the cuffs on because you’re outside of your house. And the first line says, You’re only going to work to or from work. If you’re in one of those critical fields. You’re only going to the grocery store, and you’re only going to the doctor or getting meds. And I’m like, well, that’s pretty simple. And then it goes on it says you can go to a state park. Well, the first order says don’t go outside, unless you go into work, you know, groceries, whatever. So how am I supposed to go to a state park and then also it says you can exercise outside As long as you’re not really near anybody, so that means we could drive any flippin where we want to and just say, I’m going to the State Park. It’s confusing in the way that it’s worded. I understand the intent, but just those that first order says only go to these four places. Oh, by the way, you can go to state parks?

Larry 15:16
Well, I think I think that, again, is something the salesman has to want to do. There’s enough there’s enough leeway in every, every, every order that I’ve even glanced at that, that they’re really not enforceable. You. I mean, if you have a group of people, yes, because in our state, more than five can’t get together simultaneously. But if you’re just simply out navigating someplace, there’s really very little they can do if you’re navigating by bicycle or on foot or in a vehicle, there’s really very little they can do. It has to be I think we had this conversation. It has to be a contribution you’re willing to do yourself. Like in World War Two when people were willing to be rational. they tolerate rationing because they knew that the sacrifice would lead to more supplies to the troops and more supplies to our allies. They tolerated keeping their lights out and fear of bombing raids, because if any group of people decided that our personal needs are greater than the computers they were living in, the fear was that the bombers would fly overhead and start and start targeting towns. So there were there were people who were didn’t, the whole country didn’t go lights out but but based on intelligence and intercepts, they think they, they would figure out where enemies enemy were trying to strike. And they would call for lights out back in World War Two. And people did that because they wanted to contribute to their own safety and everybody else. That’s what happens if you have to want to make a contribution. That’s non monetary, basically, non monetary. You have to make a war. You have to want to make that contribution for the better of society if we can keep people further distance apart until this crisis. abates is a small contribution to make. That’s but there’s there’s really no enforcement, you’re not gonna find people going to jail for this it hardly anywhere. It’s not gonna happen.

Andy 17:09
I certainly agree with you, which is an amazingly good segue there. If you’re ready to go, ready, we’ll have this great breaking news. I’m not sure if it’s like breaking news, but the executive director of the Georgia group, which is called restore Georgia, is he’s got reports that people are being arrested for not going to register, you know, it’s their birthday month or whatever. And so he’s getting reports of people are getting registered. Excuse me, he’s getting getting reports that they’re being arrested for not registering during the shutdown.

Larry 17:41
I saw that report and I did speak with him before before the recording earlier today and and I asked him to try to do some more research to figure out what’s going on because being that we do have listeners that that value some of what we say I want to be as concise and accurate we can be. The fact that a person got arrested for failure failing to register does not mean that that the facts that underlies that arrest occurred during the blackout period when you when you’re told to social distance and not do but these essential things are on the order. So for example, if a person has a warrant outstanding where they haven’t been in compliance for three months, and they happen to get pulled over, and the warrant was in the system, the COP is going to take them into custody unless there’s an order that our jail is the jail was closed, but they’re going to take them into custody. So I asked you to try to figure out, the first clue would be the dates of the booking to find out if they if they’ve been booked during this blackout period. And then if they were booked, if we could get the actual affidavit for the arrest, or the criminal complaint if once been filed to see what what the underlying facts are, be as they’re being alleged by that by the by the state and if if they are if it isn’t That they have failed to come in during this period, I think they’ve got a very, very good case that the case will totally collapse. If the violation was for something that occurred prior to this period, their cases significantly weaker. I mean, still, I wish we wouldn’t put people in jail for regulatory affair, but their case is a lot weaker if if the facts arose prior to this crisis.

Andy 19:26
And on that list, I don’t think it said anything about going to the registration office as part of one of the quote unquote, exceptions to this shutdown order.

Larry 19:34
Well, it it it did not seem to say that in any any state that I’ve read there, they have not said that, that that would constitute an exception. So I would read that literally, I would assume. I mean, Scalia has taught me this. I would assume that that the executive knows what what they want to exempt and if they wanted to exempt people, and say you must continue to register, just like they wanted to Free bagel able to go to pharmacists that go to medical care, they would have put that in there, they would have put that in there. So I would assume since it’s not in there, just as non exempt behavior that you’re allowed to engage in, during during the curfew, but between the between the sales

Andy 20:15
point. I mean, they thought about putting state parks in there. So you would think that if they wanted to, they would have put the registration office in there.

Larry 20:23
Yes. So I would and like I say, I think that, that if any of these cases where he’s uncovered that people been arrested, if they did arise during this period, if the facts are underlying that, I think those cases are going to largely vanished. Now that that doesn’t make it. Right. They got arrested to begin with. But I think the case is not gonna result in a conviction. Because first thing I’m going to do is call the prosecutor and say, you really want to go over to this because you know, my defense is going to be I’m going to say they want our quarantine to work. And I’m going to say Ladies and gentlemen, the jury, of course, as far as it’s under quarantine order, and And the Gwinnett County prosecutors bringing a charge here when they will forbid to go. And not only that, I would not think that we would want our deputies to be in this type of danger. So I’m going to say jury nullification. That’s what I’m going to do.

Andy 21:14
And I think I’ll get it. Interesting. Well, let’s move on to how many can you count assign us how many articles we have?

Larry 21:21
No, this is beyond. I think any other episode.

Andy 21:25
We have a crap ton of articles related to Corona and I’m going to leave them in there for if you want to peruse them, but we’re only going to cover a handful of the highlights of them. But this first one, before we go down that whole path is Larry, I’ve never heard of this one. This is called from the crime report and it says don’t have your felon card in Alabama. That’s a crime. This is I’ve never heard of somebody having a felon card if you get convicted of three felonies in any state. Then when you’re in Alabama, you have to get this felon card and if a cop asks you to present your felon card Then you go to prison for jail for not having your prison card or your filling card what in the crap

Larry 22:06
is this? There’s not that it’s not that odd they were more states that had felon registration laws before sex offender registration and I think Nevada so there’s another state or two out there that still require maybe even California but yeah this is this is it this is one of those things where it’s on the books but seldom enforced the this would be what they would enforce that they wanted to have something on you they didn’t have anything else.

Andy 22:31
It seems sort of like just you know fishing for something that would say entrapment because I know you’ll thump me for saying entrapment but I mean even even like the one of the feature people in the article, he’s he’s a black guy living in an affluent white neighborhood will live you know, dating a white girl. So then the police pull him over and like we knew we’d get you for something. Give me your felon cards like what?

Larry 22:54
Well, that sounds like they have to want to get you now. Alabama was population 5 million, I’m guessing. I know. It’s not as large as Georgia’s, but it’s millions. But more than 300 people have been charged since 2014. Now, I don’t know where they ran the data through, but they say they ran it through 2019. We can see it’s not actually a deluge. And we can assume that there’s a whole lot of felons in Alabama. And there’s probably a whole lot of people they’re not gonna comply with. So I’m not condoning the law, but I don’t think that it’s it’s, it’s widely from 2014 2018 there were 235 arrests in Alabama charges of not having a felon ID and 53 separate charges failure registered with local sheriff so it’s thought it’s not like that it’s it’s, it’s something that’s happening day and night all around the clock.

Andy 23:45
Your estimation of Alabama’s population is 4.888. So you’re right on top of that one, and that’s roughly the average IQ of Alabama to 4.88

Larry 23:58
Can we move on to this lf Alabama is, is a state where there’s massive amounts of problems. Well, I mean, that deep south Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, they tend to have an underrated, educated population kind of like us, my state and then they have health. They have health crisis galore in the south. For some reason, obesity is just so rampant. And I think it has a lot to do with air conditioning. When everybody can sit on their sofa and drink Kool Aid or whatever they drink and not get any physical exercise, sweetie, yeah, I forgot that. But but the obesity rates and, and Alabama, Mississippi, those southern states are just off the charts.

Andy 24:43
And Alabama is also where they do the licensed marketing. Right. Well, that was where it was challenged. And yes,

Larry 24:49
that’s a lot of states where they do that. Yes.

Andy 24:54
Let’s move over to governor gives California Chief Justice unprecedented authority to address ress pandemic isn’t this some of some of our people are kinda kind of worried about this turning into something of a power grab by the by the nations in the states to control all the peoples and Institute martial law and all that silliness. This seems something along those lines.

Larry 25:18
Well, it was something we talked about on an Arsalan action Sunday call that I planned this article out to Janice pallucci that the governor Newsome issued an unprecedented executive order, freeing Chief Justice and I can’t pronounce out of statutory restrictions on her authority to issue statewide court orders addressing kovat 19. So the three page order I wonder if we should put that in the in the show notes. But But apparently, there’s extraordinary powers vested in the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and some people find find that very scary. Do you see anything? I realized like the scary part, but like one of them it suspends that limit by telephone. On depositions, this allows them to do telephone depositions in the interest of keeping people safe. So what which which B of the 8565? Which one of these are your first so to speak, but which which paragraph? Are you reading in the order?

Andy 26:14
It would actually be the second one. It says the three page order, which cites the governor wide ranging power under state emergency also suspends laws that limit by telephone depositions and the service of process by electronic means to changes sought by the plaintiffs bar and defense counsel.

Larry 26:29
So I was actually on the order itself, which is, which if you click on that link there, so I’ll go back to the article.

Andy 26:38
So is that does that mean that they can do depositions by phone were in the past that was somehow limited?

Larry 26:43
I think that’s

Andy 26:44
what it means. Doesn’t that make them more efficient at being able to do it because having a telephone call would be quicker as far as traveling and so forth?

Larry 26:52
It would make it more efficient, but it’s we can make that argument about what the Constitution says you have the right to confront your accuser. Would it be more efficient if we left your accuser in Maryland and we did the trial in California and you and you had a telephonic hookup or or zoom hookup? Would that be more efficient?

Unknown Speaker 27:08
It seems like it would be yes,

Larry 27:10
yes. But that’s not what Scalia says that that was meant by the confrontation, he says that the framers at the time they weren’t thinking about zoom, they were thinking about, you had the right to force the person to come in and say, yes, there says the person who did that, and say it publicly in your presence, or you could cross examine them. And, and that’s, that’s the fear of this as there are a lot more efficient ways to do things. But efficiency is as a as a goal in our in our system.

Andy 27:40
So this is something that is on the radar to be watching out for that is a bad bad thing overall or just pieces of it what

Larry 27:48
well, but anytime you expand the careful balance of powers between the branches of government and you give extraordinary powers to to any particular whether it be the Executive, the judicial branch, it’s always scary because very few like to relinquish power once they have it. So if you look at our nation’s history there’s a constant power struggle between the executive and the legislative and the judicial branch of, of trying to absorb more power. So I think that whatever powers there that are seated to various branches of government are gonna have to come under under scrutiny after this crisis abates because I’m not sure we’re ready to give up I’ll we’re ready to concede all those new powers. I don’t think people who fear a power grab are totally being unreasonable.

Andy 28:36
Understand, yeah, no, I’m with you on that. It’s Yeah, when people get power, they generally don’t want to give it away, that’s for sure. So, well, let’s move over to an article where it’s the title is, third federal inmate dies from Kovac. This comes from NPR. And this is coming out of Oakdale, la se, LA. I’m sorry. And that’s like another hotbed of A flare up of this virus is specifically in Louisiana. So here we have, the third federal inmate has died. Nicholas Rodriguez became ill on March 25, and had a high temperature. Being inside of these boxes, these prisons and jails and having this virus spreading it. There’s so many movies that make this reference, Larry, and I’m sure you haven’t seen them, but one of them that I think about is called Resident Evil and you know, one person gets it and then five minutes later, the whole frickin the whole Ward is contaminated and people are running around trying to kill everybody. It’s obviously this isn’t that bad, other than the death part, but it’s just horrible. What we,

Larry 29:35
we we all knew this was coming and the brand I think pointed out last week that it’s almost too little too late. I may not say we shouldn’t continue to try to reduce the population. But say hypothetically, if we had been able and willing to cut the population of our presence by half, would you be able to put enough distance between you would have less stress on the systems that are exist in present, you’d Be able to do more laundry, you’d be able to hand out more sanitized hand sanitizers and cleansers, you’d be able to do a lot of things. If you had the population, a lot of stress would go off of the correctional facility if it had we moved quickly cut the population in half and not been so terrified of laying people out on alternative means of supervision, would we have been able to have a different result? It’ll take a lot of studying, like self introspection to figure out if, if we, if we could have done more once once. Once this is all done, and we see how many people in presence die, but it’s, it’s likely to be a substantial number. Certainly,

Andy 30:33
certainly. But even if we dropped it by half later, I’m thinking about the the different units that I was in other than being in a sell house where you are already, maybe at a two man selling you drop it by half, you at least now have your own cell. But if you’re in one of these big open dormitories, and you’ve got the last open dorm that I was in, had capacity for, call it 50 people and they stack 70 in there, so even if you dropped by half, you’re still practically sitting on top of each other already. wouldn’t really change the equation all that much?

Larry 31:03
Well, well, but but let’s say that you did say that you did what’s recommended, assuming the bunks are not connected to the floor, but say you move the bunks at least six feet apart. And then say you took the person off the top block, and they will still person on the top. And you got the capacity down to that level. And let’s say you actually put a whole bunch of sanitizers and you change their laundry out every day. So you did all these things. And of course, that doesn’t take into account who’s going to be coming in and out from the outside. But say you did all those things. Would that make any difference? I don’t know. I’m not a medical expert. I’m wondering though it poses the question. What we do know is that we take half the people out, they wouldn’t have caught it in prison, we can say unequivocally that would we be able to conclude that if we take the river river, we reduce the population by half? We can unequivocally say that if you leave the prison without being affected, you will not catch it in prison.

Andy 31:53
Oh, totally. I mean, yeah, you weren’t there to catch it and you certainly didn’t catch it there you come down the street.

Larry 31:59
So We that that would be that would be one of the Nolan’s so that we would know we would save the risk of prison spread to those people that we that we let out.

Andy 32:08
Doesn’t that kind of segue into the next article from the crime report it says after the Cova 19 release of prisoners who will help them I know that in Georgia when you get out you get 25 bucks on a bus ticket. I don’t think that they’re handing you any more resources just because they released you because of the coven crisis. I don’t think they would be either but do you still got to pay for suit that they used to give you in Georgia? What paper suit like they used to give you like a really, really really cheap set of clothes they do they do they still give you a set of clothing. Depending on if you’re at state or private prisons if your private prisons you get scrubs, just like you know scrunchie pants, whatever and just a pullover. But if you’re at a state once you get like a almost like a suit. People call it the monkey suit. I want a monkey suit. This is that white outfit with a blue stripe down the side and then

Larry 32:59
oh yeah. Yeah, actually those are not the worst uniforms at all. But the Clippers first. I would rather wear that than the arch jumpsuits.

Andy 33:07
Yes, definitely that big giant ones as

Larry 33:10
well. But in terms of the article, this this test does pose someone who’s been in prison for any reasonable period of time, any long period of time. If you just start if you went on this massive empty prisons that I was talking about, how would we help these people, but we just say Europe, you’re free to go and take your chances and hope for the best because we’re not going to we don’t want you to be affected here. But where would they go and who would help them? If you’ve been locked up for 12 years, you don’t have anything to connect to if they just simply open the gate and say, Good luck to you.

Andy 33:46
Yeah, that that almost doesn’t sound any different than what you know the normal release of someone that doesn’t have anywhere to go would be

Larry 33:52
so but I wonder, I wonder if presidents have suspended the the charges for say medical you know that For last couple of decades they’ve been particular in the south they’ve been on this kick of of suppressing people’s use of the medical facilities to charge them a copay I wonder if they’re if you say I’m feeling sick I’ve got a fever if you go to the to the sick call if they’re if they’re suspending the CO pays now in view of the health crisis

Andy 34:17
I’m inclined to say no being that they charge for everything I’m certain that they didn’t like post out some order says if you if you’ve got symptoms of this and you don’t have to pay them

Larry 34:28
well what when that discouraged people or what not? I don’t know.

Andy 34:32
That’s the whole intent is to discourage people from just needlessly going there just to get out of the dorm and go see you know, civilians. That’s totally the intent on that part of it.

Larry 34:41
Well, I thought that i thought that i thought that unless you needed to see see the doctor that that the sick call came to you I thought they had roving nurses that push these carts around and they had the basic medical equipment of the monitors and blood pressure cuffs and stuff like that and and Tylenol and ibuprofen as Stuff like that that they could dispense it and that they brought the medical to us I thought the way they do

Andy 35:03
it not not what I saw in the you know, and this is this is now a good number of years ago kind of seems weird that I would say that now but no if for that they would do a pill call and then you would go march up to the central dispensary for you to go get your pills and you’d wait in line to get your your Thorazine and then come back to the dorm and then go to shower. You did it on your way back whichever way that works. But no, there wasn’t somebody roaming around with a pill cart because that would get knocked over and all the pills stolen.

Larry 35:29
Well, how would it do that they would roam around by themselves I would run around under supervision of guards. I wouldn’t just start pushing a cart around. But that’s what I

Andy 35:39
can tell you a story about the last place I was at like almost like on the day that I arrived. They had the camp locked down and I just happened to have like a window view. There was a dude running around on the roof. The way that the doors were there almost like a frame kind of dorms like you know, just a high top roof looking thing. And somebody had found an area where they could get up on the roof and he was having a standard Because he said, Nah, screw this. I’m not I’m not complying with whatever he was supposed to fly with. But he was on the roof walking around.

Larry 36:06
Well, did I shoot him off the roof?

Andy 36:08
No, they I assumed they just waited him out because eventually was like, Well, I guess I’m gonna get cold or I’m gonna get hungry or you know something. So I guess they eventually talked him down, but that’s a Georgia doesn’t really have a very good control over their prisons. I’ll tell you that.

Unknown Speaker 36:21
While I’m surprised.

Andy 36:24
Sure, sure. There’s some sarcasm there.

Larry 36:26
I thought I thought Georgia had the most progressive forward thinking, well managed correctional system in the whole United States.

Andy 36:34
That is certainly the Georgia certainly certainly the Georgia. Was there any other article that we wanted to cover about the covert crisis?

Larry 36:43
Well, I think that the one or the rethinking their rules about supervision. It was so important there and this makes

Andy 36:50
my circles moving it moving it right now moving it right now.

Larry 36:53
I’m hoping this is the beginning of, of, of a trip and I say Just now saying that I hope it’s the beginning of a trend and I’ll end up having to regret it later because they’ll abuse it. But, but it seems like the adjustments that they were making now to meet with people with what do you call it FaceTime and Skype or all these different things are that they that they’re using would be would be a positive direction. Because as as a supervisor individually, particularly if they visit with you on your job, people lose their jobs because of the commotion that takes people cause I mean, you’re running a workplace you don’t want a Gestapo unit to cut me out with with people carrying guns on and debated to see the supervisor and demanding to interrupt the workplace. And I’m hoping that this, this less intrusive supervision is something that doesn’t go away after after the virus, you can still do your random UAS, your analysis, you can still do those things. Just because you’re not requiring face to face I mean that you can You can do a random euro analysis that I don’t know enough about flushing your system. But I think that if you’ve got drugs in your system, and they give you four hours to get to the drug, is that enough time for you to purge your system?

Andy 38:12
I, I think you can take stuff but I don’t know if it purges your system. I think it’s something that you have to do on some kind of regular basis. But I will tell you this from personal experience, I knew that I hadn’t had my second visit of the month, and then all this stuff started happening. And I had my visit like early in the month before all the crap started happening. And randomly like on the second to last third of the last day of March, my phone rings Hey, how you doing? Fine. Anything any, any interaction with law enforcement anything like nope, cool. So they did my visit by phone? Where I why is that different all of a sudden, like they could have been doing that the whole time. No, they want to come out and knock on my door and come in and check out and see if I’ve got any booze in the fridge. Just for the record. I don’t ever drink ever but that’s what they come look for.

Larry 39:00
So when you can have a relapse, but this is from the Marshall project, and it says 50 reform minded probation parole officer chiefs, called last week now 50 is a significant number. It’s not like some outlier when you’ve got 50 chiefs call for states and counties to suspend or severely limit jailing people for supervision violations that aren’t crimes. I mean, I love that, because we shouldn’t be jelly, so many people anyway, that haven’t committed a new crime. The technical arrests are just over the top. And I’ll listen to a program of an organization on the on the talk radio before I came in to do this recording today. In an organization I’ll leave nameless that the professor’s to to help offenders re render reintegrate, and they were bragging about their 4% recidivism rate and then they said the nationwide average stat on recidivism is 83%. And I just barked when I heard that because that’s taken into account technical violations, I haven’t even seen 83% But, but even if it is that high, it’s all violations. So if if an interviewer asked me that, what is the recidivism rate of your program? I would first I will define recidivism. Do you mean being arrested for a new crime? Yes. Do you mean being convicted of a new crime? Or do you mean, having to go back into custody for something that was not totally compliant with the conditions and supervision, which can be very easily violate. So what let’s define recidivism, and then I’ll give you a rate. But I was distressed to hear this organization talking about this fantastic 4% recidivism and then talking about the national average is 83%. But back to this article, this is this is phenomenal that you’ve got this many chiefs urging caution because after this crisis ends, hopefully this will spill over and they’ll say the world didn’t come to an end. People actually read law enforcement entities are reporting lower crime rates. Have you have you been following that?

Unknown Speaker 40:54
I see that the reason that people aren’t going out

Larry 40:58
there, the crime rate is down. mean the the the scam type crimes are going up and off the charts people trying to convince you they get your your stables payment now and people trying to hack. I mean this is a hackers paradise I’m told because I guess the overload of everybody being on the internet is causing stresses that I can’t even begin to talk about. But but but in terms of overall street crime and things that happen in the way of property crimes, those rates are plummeting.

Andy 41:25
Yeah. So the answer to our crime problem is to keep everybody locked up at home.

Unknown Speaker 41:31
Well, I don’t know if that if I would have liked it somewhere. But I think I think that that just simply letting people out of custody, and we haven’t laid out nearly enough in my opinion, but relaxing the enforcement and doing the token things that they’ve done so far, in view of this crisis has not resulted in the tidal wave of crime, that people would normally say what happened if you do these things, and there was a sensational story on the local news last night of a person who was released from jail pursuant to abortion. Because he says he has a health situation that makes him vulnerable. And the judge agreed. And the local station decided to vilify the judge who did that because, you know, he’s he’s, he’s re victimized the victim.

Andy 42:15
So very bizarre, Larry, so very bizarre. I have provided by my sensational co host a clip of the late great Antonin Scalia, and I will be happy to play it. If you listen. Let’s set it up first.

Larry 42:30
Please do not set it up. I found this accidentally and I listen to a lot. So I find things and then I’m too lazy to write down where I found it out novels had to had to give up on finding it again for today. But I found this as I was, as I was thinking about the stimulus package in the 2.2 to 6 trillion. Nobody seems to know what this thing’s gonna cost and it’s stigmas. Package number three. Now they’re working on number four and it really Hit me that of all the stimulus efforts that we’re hearing. I haven’t heard much that really addresses to poor people. You know, all of this is designed if you if you study it, and you do it with an open mind, the conservatives, primarily republicans are really stressing to save business because business is important and we can’t lose our great companies. And I don’t fundamentally disagree with that. The companies are important. We don’t want to lose basic industry. We don’t want to, but then the democrats have been talking about saving the middle class. You know, these are people who’ve been working and up until the shutdown orders. And they have, they have really focused on business and the middle class. But I’ve heard so little about the poor people who are even more vulnerable because they the conditions that you describe the jail as what shelters are generally like, if you if you’ve ever Been in a shelter that does homeless people, if you’re lucky enough to be able to be in a shelter, they’re usually rows and rows of books. And they’re very crowded, and they and then people who don’t stay at shelters, they’re on the streets living in the elements and and not able to sanitize themselves regularly. And I’ve heard not even the progressives talking too much about helping the poor people. But they’ve gone to great lengths to make these things quick way we got to get to money to people Quick, quick. We’ve got to get the businesses quick. We’ve got to get the payroll Protection Plan money to keep people on the payrolls quick we’ve got to get the stimulus checks to people quick and the Treasury Secretary has been chastised for for saying that people that are on disability and retirement benefits should even have to dare to follow return to get their money. We want to remove all barriers to getting the extra $600 a week of unemployment. And we’ve got it we’ve got to just take people’s word and give them the money and we’ll straighten this out later. That’s such a contrast to how we treat the poor people who rely on the real poverty programs, which are snap food stamps, or 10. If temporary, a different needy families, we build every barrier we can around those programs. And many of the southern states require drug testing. And they require that you engage in all these work requirements that you’d be enrolled in these unemployment training programs. And I’m not pronouncing whether they’re good or bad. But we seem to fall to people that are in this position at a predictable rate. And we found we it’s it’s a whole different attitude when we’re giving money to the middle class. And so Scalia validated what I think about what we’re most of our money that we shovel to people in this country goes to the middle class. So that’s the backdrop for for this for this clip. He’s He’s giving a lecture, and this is just a little over a minute of of like a 30 minute lecture, talk that he had. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 45:59
fine. Finally, I may mention that even

Unknown Speaker 46:03
even the seeming Christian virtue of socialism, that it means well, and seeks to help the poor. Even that seeming Christian virtue may be greatly exaggerated. It is true in the United States and I believe it is true in all of the Western democracies, that the vast bulk of social spending does not go to the poor, but rather to the middle class, which also happens to be the class most numerous at the polls. The most expensive entitlement programs, Social Security and Medicare, for example, overwhelmingly benefit those who are not in dire financial straits. So one may plausibly argue that welfare state democracy does not really have even the Christian virtue of altruism. The majority does not say to the rich, give your money to the poor, but rather give your money to us. Just as I believe the left is not necessarily endowed with Christian virtue. So also I believe the right is not necessarily bereft of it, let’s say fair capitalism, like socialism speaks to the degree of involvement of the state in the economic life of society, like socialism, also, it does not speak to the nature of the human soul.

Andy 47:24
Can you translate that to English?

Larry 47:28
Oh, well, you’d have to, you’d have to listen to more of the presentation. But he, he’s, he’s not really he’s not really saying one way or the other. He’s speaking to religious group and he’s, he’s talking about how the government at the the evaporation of private charity and more and more being done by the government, and, and, and the pitfalls of what, you know, there was a time when when, when the government giving any money to a private person was deemed was very as unconstitutional, but then the general welfare clause was interpreted more broadly to allow the federal government and governments in general to give gift money. But he’s, he’s, he’s making the point that I’m trying to make here about, about the welfare state. We do have a welfare state this country, but it’s largely for the middle class. And the people, the middle class, they don’t like to think of themselves as me I had a visitor from from Omaha, Nebraska, they just almost disowned the relationship with me because the person said, I’m receiving Social Security. And I’ve resent that being entitled a couple of times. And I said, Well, why do you resent being called an entitlement? I said, that’s exactly what it is.

Andy 48:39
I said, You paid there’s anything that’s going to be one that is the true definition of entitlement

Larry 48:43
is that you you contribute it to it at the rate that you that you were asked to contribute, for the years that you were in the workforce. And in exchange for that those contributions. You were promised a commitment by the people that are working today that they will They would pay you. And you’re entitled to it by virtue of reaching a certain age or being disabled or the various things that are qualified on Social Security, you’re entitled to it by law. It doesn’t have to be appropriated. We don’t have to vote each year for the defined Social Security, you are as a matter of rights, entitled to receive those benefits. I said, I don’t know why you don’t think you’re on time. But of course, you’re on an entitlement. That’s exactly what your ad, Scalia is making the point about what I’m trying to make about the stimulus, we have created this gigantic unfunded stimulus. And the overwhelming majority that will never get anywhere near a poor person. Now, they technically are eligible for this $500. If they have a social security number, if they have a social security number, they’re not receiving Social Security benefits, then they’re going to have to file a return according to the latest Gods from the Treasury and they’re entitled to 1200 dollars. But the things that we could be doing if we were really as you generous of society as we think we are. We would be trying to figure out how to get these people more adequate shelter now because there’s so much more vulnerable while this pandemic is running rampant with but there’s barely a twerp out there about about the homeless population I have you heard anything Georgia about almost I have. No but I’m just wondering Did you just call me at work? Has it has been barely a tour about I had heard her I think in Florida I think I sent you something before they put up 100 pup tips for current for homeless and they booted the registrants anybody? The pf RS are not allowed and attempts. Correct. But but we’ve we are our country. We just need to take a good look at ourselves and realize that yes, we all depend on one another. This system that we have that where we think we do it all ourselves. No, we actually don’t. We all depend on one another and and It is it’s it’s important, it should be important to all of us to see to it that every person is function at their at their optimal capability so that they can make a contribution to society. And, and we’ve just written off hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people as being just worthless, and we’ve turned our backs on them. But it’s amazing that this that this big, multi trillion dollar stimulus no tell how much more to come all borrowed money. Let me add that we’re certainly taking good care of the middle class.

Andy 51:30
But as he said in there, the middle classes, the largest voting group,

Larry 51:34
that’s correct.

Andy 51:35
That that why, but I mean, the middle class, is this a correct statement? And I’ve heard it, I hope I regurgitate it right. The middle class is what drives the economy?

Larry 51:44
Well, I would, I would, I would agree. It’s, it’s the it’s the it’s the driver of the economy. But let’s let’s try to make sure that we don’t write people off. I’ve, I’ve got this strange notion that out of the million or whatever number of total homeless out there There’s an immense amount of wasted talent that could be could be channeled to for the betterment of society. And I don’t believe that you can pull yourself up by your bootstraps once you’re down to nothing. whether or not you’ve made a bad decision does not change the fact that once you’re in that predicament to people who now are, by no fault of their own, they’re finding themselves in a bad situation. And they didn’t control the fact that this virus resulted in me getting laid off. But they did control the decisions on what they did, in terms of how they manage their money that they didn’t hold on to it up until this this crisis hit. You don’t have to have the best of everything you could do some savings, right? Most people have a little bit of capacity to say

Andy 52:43
most people do but I don’t know that most people exercise even if they have that capacity.

Unknown Speaker 52:48
right but but but under the under the pure. I hear from the libertarians that constantly say, I don’t like paying for that could just be just as harsh right now say with God. I can ride this out. And I actually think I can, depending on if it gets I don’t, was what they’re predicting in terms of length of if it’s 18 months, I think I can ride it out, should not be able to say I don’t want to pay for you. Isn’t that what they say about these poor people? I don’t want to pay for these people.

Andy 53:18
You just jogged my memory about something that I was listening to a program from w NYC. It’s called the Brian there show and a woman called in. She is she owns I think 30 something units in New York City. And she says, Well, I don’t want my tenants not paying rent. I have a $22,000 property tax bill. I’ve got to pay in, you know, the coming days, weeks, months, whatever. And I’m like, you should have thought about that before. Why don’t you have that money saved already? So I was like, well, we can flip that table around all day long and like you should have prepared for it. Oh, you should have prepared for it. We can’t all be Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and have 100 billion dollars in the bank.

Unknown Speaker 53:55
That’s correct. And we are all in this. All of a sudden we’re hearing this. You listen to Governor, it’s what we can do together. And I’m saying the same thing. It’s what we can do together to separate ourselves from one another. And it’s what we can do together to try to put this crisis behind us. But what I hear taxpayer buddy, folks, don’t delude yourself. This is not taxpayer money. We are borrowing this money. This is not taxpayer money. And although I do support it, and amazingly, I sent you an article about how conservatives have magically done it about face on this stimulus. Did you get the one I sent you earlier today that about how the conservatives magically are for the stimulus that have been against all previous demos? progress? Yeah. Well, it’s amazing that they’ve done such an about face, but but it is not taxpayer money. Had we balanced the budget and been running a surplus we would have some cushion right now if we hadn’t done the gigantic tax cut the blow a hole in revenues and if we had to increase spending particularly in the area of military and national security. If spending had been going up at such a rapid clip of almost 10%, we would have more of a cushion to work with right now, but we’re going to borrow so much money. And who knows where the national debt is going to end up after this subsides when when this is over? I believe they’ll be another stimulus coming very shortly because this is an election here. when when when people when people are going to be facing the electorate, they’re going to make sure that they’re shelving as much money as they can to the voters is what Scalia said.

Andy 55:35
And there’s a difference in the mentality of if the money is flowing towards me, that’s really frickin awesome. But if it’s flowing towards you, and you fill in whoever you is, then No, I don’t want to pay for it.

Larry 55:48
That is correct. That’s the selfishness about this. But the people I doubt very many people are going to review your statement of payments. And I’m not I don’t have any intention of doing So either,

Andy 56:00
but isn’t that so but shouldn’t I be able to like, I mean, I’m going to, I’m not going to save it, it probably, you know, it’s not going to be immediately used to pay my rent either because Fortunately, I happen to have a job that’s secure, it would seem. And you know, and I know that can change on a dime. But I’m just going to go turn around us, particularly when things open back up, and I’m going to start going back to restaurants and I’m going to start to buy more stuff. I mean, it’s going to get used in the economy as soon as things open back up. I can’t do anything right now. Well, of course, you can’t. I mean, I can but so I mean, I don’t go to movies, but I can’t go to the movies. I can’t go sit at a restaurant hanging out with my friends. I can’t do any of that. Because we we had we had created a Discord server for my, my Meetup group so that we could have some sort of video conference. We didn’t go to the local pizza joint, hang out and eat wings and stuff.

Larry 56:49
So well, one more one more point before I beat this horse to death. It’s It’s good that we have recognize that when the economy is in a contraction, we know To provide stimulus. I just wish we had recognized that back in 2009, when they refer to it as the poor keyless, and very few, if any, very few, if any republicans voted for the 780 $7 billion. Oculus, as they called it, and it was it was largely a partisan affair trying to get stimulus. And they complained about the anemic recovery of the economy, which it did not boom, like previous recoveries have we ultimately did recover. But they kept a very tight control over federal spending. Has that chart that I put in the in the articles below shows if you look at the the fourth one, it says the US government spending, it shows the chart during the Obama years and then it shows the the chart during the Trump years and it shows the chart of two years before Obama the the rapid increases in spending. And that’s part of what what Helps an economy rebound is stimulus. And so amazingly therefore stimulus now, they were against it there. And and that that did that did hinder our economic recovery rebound from the from the great recession of 2009.

Andy 58:17
Other than that chart, is there anything in these three, four or five articles that you put in here about the standard stuff and the deficit budget? Well, I think that this is the the registry matters. tack. Yes. Budget podcast,

Larry 58:31
I was. I wanted to show what a pittance we spend on food stamps or SNAP benefits compared to the overall budget. And and what I thought was going to be a 50 year chart and open for me once but it’s not opening again as behind the paywall, but it showed the spending and actual spending on snap has been going down. And it should have been going down because of the recovery but also have tightened eligibility and work requirements. But we’re spending some Between 70 to $90 billion, with a B, a year out of a multi trillion dollar deficit. The bulk of our money, as Justice Scalia said, is spent on things that don’t provide relief to the poor. And it’s a myth. It’s a sad myth that we focus so much on the really small amount that this Western democracy spends on direct aid to the poor. And it would do nothing to plug our budget deficit if we totally eliminated that and Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, which is the largest program that helps families with children, if we eliminate both of those will still have a massive budget hole.

Andy 59:40
Yeah, that’s a disturbingly small amount of money that is spent there. And that is that that’s considered discretionary. Correct? Yes. And I’m pretty sure if we wiped out 100% of discretionary spending, it would not come anywhere close to filling the budget.

Unknown Speaker 59:56
Well, it would go a long way because the military is also discretionary. Right? But But, but but the military is almost a trillion dollar. So when you when you add in the direct defense budget, and then all the things that support the military establishment and national security apparatuses, and and stuff here you’re talking about, you’re talking about approaching a trillion dollars, but you can’t eliminate those things. I mean, if we were to cut the military by one dime, saddam would be here tomorrow. I mean, you do understand that, don’t you?

Andy 1:00:27
I believe that I’ve heard that before.

Larry 1:00:28
Yes. I mean, just disregard the fact that we spend more than the next seven wealthiest nations all combined. Nevermind that, that that true reality. And never mind that we have what the President refers to is the strongest military on Earth. But if we were to cut anything the military budget all life as we know it would

Andy 1:00:53
you always paint such rosy picture is where you are the doom and gloom version of this podcast.

Larry 1:01:00
So yeah, there’s just a lot of numbers in those those articles about the about the budget, people want to get into the nuances. But we’re not we’re not the budget podcast here kind of has become self aware.

Andy 1:01:12
Can we talk about this being like a total technology power grab for our citizenry, from our governments? We can.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:20
I love that. Sorry.

Andy 1:01:21
Yeah. This article comes from the washington post the coronavirus is expanding the surveillance state How will this play out? I frankly have been thinking about just that. Generally, people have GPS stuff turned on their phone, Google generally and others know generally where you are, if not down to, you know, like the intersection and like the house number. So it seems like they would have an idea of of where people are building heat maps, and figure out roughly who may have been infected and you know, put those pieces together and we could isolate the people and inform them, you know, if you’re in the middle of Nebraska, and you haven’t been near anybody that has tested positive Then you’re probably pretty safe in general. So anyway, this is all of the technology that’s coming down the pike. This article is talking about how all the cameras have certain states some countries have apps that they require you have on your phone. It’s a it’s it’s disturbing to a large degree apps that you’re required to have on

Larry 1:02:19
your phone.

Andy 1:02:20
Yes, some some countries not not, not the United States. Okay. But China, Singapore, Israel has done some pretty shady stuff lately, that are all about some surveillance state stuff so they can keep an eye on the population. I’m sure you’ve heard of the China social credit. I think that’s what it’s called. Have you heard of that? The what it’s called the, I want to say it’s called the social credit. I’m sure Brenda can can fine tune that one if I have it wrong, but they’re tracking your credit, your criminal history, how you pay your bills, and so many things and you could be denied getting tickets onto the train. If your social your social credit score, I think is what it’s called, goes below a certain mark. Don’t believe I’ve heard that one. Oh, it’s it’s very bizarre and their population from what I hear is generally on board with it because who wants to sit on the train with the UI person that doesn’t pay the bills? sounds just like something else that we have in the United States to me, so they can post your sign up on like the New York Times. New York Times The Times Square, big billboard, they’ll post people’s pictures up there to publicly shame them.

Larry 1:03:24
If you haven’t heard of this, I’m having trouble getting to CNBC when to open I thought I thought it opened earlier. I got the wall. I never could get the Washington Post open because of the paywall, but I was having trouble getting the CNBC to open

Andy 1:03:37
some someday, Larry, we are going to get you to stop using Internet Explorer. And I’m not cutting that from the podcast. But the CNBC article is useful surveillance to fight coronavirus, raises concerns about government power after pandemic ends. China mobilized its mass mass surveillance tools from drones to CCTV cameras to monitor quarantine people and track the spread of coronavirus. I think we have an article that talks about g GPS monitoring the plague stricken people. Are we doing that? I have heard it. I saw a picture somewhere that talked about it, but I don’t remember where I saw it, in actuality, maybe that’s from another country to just just, you know, employing the myriad of tools that could be available to to deal with this until we get a vaccine. So

Larry 1:04:25
while I did read the Snowden article, and I thought that was fascinating from Business Insider, yep. The Israel and granted its spy services, emergency powers to hack citizens phones without a warrant. South Korea have been sending text alerts to warn people when they have been in contact with a grown virus page.

Andy 1:04:47
But, you know, where’s that balance? If I’m not saying it’s the government’s responsibility, but you know, we get amber alerts shouldn’t Shouldn’t we be welcoming of having information That could potentially help us avoid, particularly in this case, the corona virus.

Larry 1:05:07
I mean, well, that’s

Andy 1:05:08
that’s our government is not to absolutely protect us from anything, but at the same time it is one of their primary functions is to protect us.

Larry 1:05:17
Well, South Korea has been sending text alerts to warn people when they’ve been in contact with a Karatbars patient, including personal details like age and gender, that doesn’t that kind of sprang from the sex offender registry when people say, don’t have a right to know. If you’re if you’re encountering a person that the government is tracking, that they know that they have this infection, wouldn’t illogical. She would offer that be that you have the right to know I mean, you have to set the big bad government you know this, why don’t I have the right to know this? You know, it

Andy 1:05:47
the similarities between this whole lockdown and certain curfews and just the various restrictions, Harkins so that the irony is so unbelievably crazy to me of how I don’t want to be locked down. I mean, I need to go out and do my stuff. But I mean, that’s what our people do every day of their lives just about as have to worry about who’s going to see them and recognize them. chastise them for being out. It’s like, it’s just all of the simulators are just so funny to me.

Larry 1:06:13
We are going to have a massive discussion in this country after this as a baby Halford has abated, we’re gonna have a massive discussion about how much of this we’re willing to, to give up of our privacy and what rights we do have, because I’m not sure you do have the right to know a person’s medical condition. I’m not

Andy 1:06:32
sure a whole HIPAA regulation thing exists, right?

Larry 1:06:35
Yeah, but I’m not sure you don’t either. If they’re a hazard, like us, I’m not sure if we’re gonna have to have an intense discussion about about where that balancing act comes because, as the libertarians are so fond of saying they don’t want hardly any regulation. They don’t want the government telling anything. Well, I think that’s absurd. But how was that balance?

Andy 1:06:57
It I was at a conference That I was having. This is similar to smoking, in that I’m completely repulsed by being in the presence of someone that is smoking because a it’s disgusting in general. But when they exhale, there’s this horrible smell that comes about. And if you Harken that smell to being having the Black Death put upon you by them exhaling or sneezing in your proximity, like, you know, it’s just it’s very, it changes it from being something that’s very invisible to something that is very visible, but it’s the same thing like while you’re outside. I can smoke when I’m outside, right? Well, no, because I still have to breathe the air that you’ve just contaminated with carcinogens and poisons, as opposed to the person that is infected with this deadly disease, this deadly virus that if you breathe, and I contract it, I could then potentially die. Like, that’s a tough balancing act. It’s not like somebody walking around with cancer. Cancer is not contagious. This is highly, highly, highly contagious.

Larry 1:07:58
Well, the Crime report delves into, to even further about, will prophecy be a casualty of the pandemic?

Andy 1:08:07
Yep. What do you think? Do you think that that you as a policy wonk can? Is it is it in your forte to even navigate these kinds of conversations?

Larry 1:08:20
It’s hard for me to navigate these conversations until we till we know what the outcome is what we can actually have the conversation about. We’ve we’ve had a lot of conversation about 911. And we’ve, we’ve concluded that a lot of what we’ve given up, I mean, you can’t see your loved one to the gate of an airplane anymore. That’s no big deal. We’re willing to give that up. You have to be imaged, which goes down to every new detail of your body shapes and sizes, and it results in a pretty thorough hand hand pat down if they see any, any shape that doesn’t, doesn’t look right. We’ve had that discussion. And we’ve been Decided to be safe. It’s worth it. So at this point since we don’t know what we’re being safe from and we don’t know the magnitude, if it turns out that that the 250,000 number dead is the right number, the conversations going to take on one course of the people say well, Clinton was worth it it would have been two and a half million ahead we’ve not done this. But if the if if there’s some magic solution that comes about or the warming weather and this goes away the discussion is gonna take another course in terms of of the of the policy ramifications of ordered businesses Shut up. We have decimated businesses that despite I think our best efforts to save them, we won’t be able to to resurrect some businesses that depending on how long the shutdowns go, so so there’s going to be an intense discussion about about what’s happened after this is after this is past us.

Andy 1:09:52
Yeah, I’m sure they’re even subjects that no one has even thoroughly contemplated yet too.

Larry 1:09:56
And, and I think that some of those discussions are gonna be Very good because emergency preparedness for one, as there would have been a tough sell, to, to convince appropriators to appropriate large sums of money for equipment and supplies. I think for the next few years, that won’t be such a tough sell. Now, as our memories are fresh, we’re gonna be willing. I mean, we’ve since since 911, there has been nothing. If you look at every national security appropriation, whether it be direct military spending, or whether it be the NSA, or whether it be Department of Homeland Security, whether it be the transportation, security administration, you pick your alphabet, all of those have gone consistently up. Our desire spend more and more money has not gone down for what is it almost 20 years now. So 2001, we’re in 2020. So we’re approaching two decades. So I think I think that we’re we’re are going to be willing to spend a little bit more on public And probably for the future. But I guess I don’t always have when I say we’re built, willing to spend more, I always like the coupling that well, are we willing to tax ourselves to pay for that? Because you can’t you can’t call it taxpayer funds, when you’re not paying the taxes to fund the spending. And I’ve reserved that because we’re, we’re, we’re spending a fourth more than what we’re taxing before this calamity hit. So you can’t call it taxpayer spending. It isn’t taxpayer spin.

Andy 1:11:29
Let me just share this with you is that I was talking to someone and so she’s been furloughed. And then she says, well, am I gonna get the 1200 dollar check? I said, as far as I know, I mean, it’s, you know, if you’ve been filing your taxes, it should be here. Probably by the end of April, give or take. She goes, Well, am I gonna have to pay it back? And I’m like, it’s weird question. Like, I mean, we’re going to have to pay it back eventually. It’s just not gonna come off your actual like tax bill next year. They’re not going to add 1200 dollars to it next year. But I mean, we I presume we’re gonna have to pay it back.

Larry 1:12:02
No, we don’t. We don’t pay back the national debt.

Unknown Speaker 1:12:05
We should at some point, right?

Larry 1:12:07
Well, should but but since the since World War Two, we ran some surpluses during the the Truman, I think we might have had a surplus for two dies now administration. But then we went on, we went on deficit spending at a much smaller scale for the better part of four decades, until the late 90s. When we actually balanced the budget ran some surfaces. And then since the 90s, we haven’t run a surplus. So the accumulated national debt, it’s seldom dropped, it continues to go up. And that’s why they have these discussions about raising the debt limit raising the debt limit. But if we were being responsible, we would in fact want to pay off the debt, because it is has to be serviced and interest on the national debt even at these low rates that we’re paying today. The interest on the national debt is hundreds of billions of dollars, where we’re paying three, four hundred billion dollars in interest. If we weren’t paying that service costs on the debt, that would be three to $400 billion of money we could be spending on a recurring basis.

Andy 1:13:10
Right. We ready to move past all this?

Larry 1:13:13
Yeah, I’m sick of this about about finance.

Andy 1:13:17
This article comes from and is Sotomayor vowing to futility. I will cease noting my dissent in sentencing dispute. She’s thrown in the towel, Larry about I think people I think the way that I read this, and you’re gonna have to clarify, I think people have been sentenced under a law that has been been changed and ruled unconstitutional, yet, the Supreme Court will not grant cert to hear their case to have the change applied to them. I think that’s what I understood from this article.

Larry 1:13:49
I think you’re right. I I put it in there for a different I had a more sinister motivation. I had someone say that I was being remiss for not reading the sentence. And I said, Well, I definitely don’t spend a lot of energy on limited supreme court level because they really don’t mean a whole lot. And I was trying to illustrate the point when a justice who’s sitting when minority on a particular issue over and over again, when she says, I’m driving a bother. That’s the whole point I was making is that the dissent at our supreme court, it makes a difference when it’s like in the Maryland case that we were going to talk about today, the Maryland case, it makes a difference because the court is almost evenly divided. So when you have a five, four split, the dissent is more relevant when it’s six to three, seven to eight, or nine to zero, or we wouldn’t have a dissenter 908 to one if you got to the sitting anything short, it doesn’t matter because that’s great that they don’t agree but they can’t do anything about it. And and so that was the point I put this in here for she’s she’s like a waste yarn anymore because she realized that she’s that she’s hopeless. They’re going to be talking to the walls until there’s a change in the makeup of Supreme Court on this particular issue. You is not going to be worth dissenting anymore because nobody cares.

Andy 1:15:04
I mean, shouldn’t she still dissent even if it’s like boilerplate just copy and paste because you’re not going to do anything but unless she’s making her position

Larry 1:15:12
known, while she says it is not worth the effort. So she’s

Andy 1:15:18
not going to waste her energy and move on to dealing with issues of higher order, and I can’t get past

Larry 1:15:23
the paywall on this so so we’ve had our three articles, I think,

Andy 1:15:28
yes, we have, we might want to pay for law Comm. Let’s move over to the New York Times. Tell me tell me what is rush called this one. Oh, The New York

Larry 1:15:35
Times. Yes. Well, he I think he calls it to slimes but I’m not sure that’s what I thought.

Andy 1:15:43
I just wanted to hear you channel. You’re in a rush. This is a the Iowa republican governor Kim Reynolds 20 years ago got caught up in some DUI kind of things and she was granted some leniency. She wants to have a change of heart for the legislature to let people Have some criminal justice reform out in that part of the country,

Larry 1:16:04
restore the right to vote up like this is about as she takes too long, she should have the right to vote. And I think I think I was one of those states where you’re permanently disenfranchised.

Andy 1:16:16
Let’s see. Do you think that people should be like, where do you fall down on this one? So we have two states where you can vote while in prison? Do you think that we should go that far?

Larry 1:16:26
I haven’t really, from a policy point of view. I don’t see a problem with it. But there’s the practicality of doing elections and prisons being that we go through this Kabuki registering voters. So you’ve got to you’ve got to you’ve got to have a whole separate registration process persons are present 24 years, and you say, okay, you’re you can vote you got you got lifetime in prison. You gotta vote. Well, we’ve got we’ve got to create a precinct to present we’ve got to we got to a lot of stuff from practical point of view, it seems like it would be cumbersome, but I don’t really have a problem with people voting. They’re all gonna vote conservative anyway. So Don’t say, yes. We’ve proven that over and over again with research that’s been done. So the concern is all we get with a plan, they can pick up a whole bunch of votes to tell open up letting people be convicted of crimes folk, they’ll find out that their margins will be a whole lot stronger. Interesting.

Andy 1:17:18
Yeah, I, you know, they run store call, and it this wouldn’t be too too different than running store call, you know, they let you out in some sort of organized fashion to go to someplace where you have turned in your slip and you pick up your goods and so forth. I mean, the operation wouldn’t be too too different. Obviously. There are other logistics things involved with it. Well, if they wanted to, they could,

Larry 1:17:41
oh, I don’t they click because states are doing it. But But states that that do it are known to be more willing to spend money. If you look at what those states spend on prisoners, it’s probably a little bit more than Alabama, Georgia. interest. Yeah,

Andy 1:17:57
we already know that for sure. Probably like to the order. twofold.

Larry 1:18:01
But so but you but you do have logistical problems because guards are not trained and B, you have to be certified to be a voter registrar you have to go through a training and most states to register votes. So we’ve got to train our staff. We’ve got to set up a polling process. And and so on Election Day, do you let do you let everybody go to the gymnasium and vote at the polls like they would if they win the free world? It is a logistical problem. I’m not saying it can’t be overcome. And I don’t have any problems pushing for that off the top. I don’t I don’t think there was anything. I don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong with it. But you’ve got to set up infrastructure trying to change the way things are done in prison and do anything different. That’s gonna cost money and require a different way of thinking it’s gotta be hard. No kidding.

Unknown Speaker 1:18:52
That’s why things stay the way they are. Change is difficult. But I like this this article that

Larry 1:19:00
She’s She’s She’s She’s kind of fighting uphill because the GOP controls the legislature, and she wants to the status is now the only state that permanently bars, felons from voting. I’m a firm believer, quote, I’m a firm believer that that, that you can make a mistake, but that shouldn’t define you. She said, an interview Gee, that’s kind of what we say. So. So

Andy 1:19:22
Porsche, I dropped an article in there. And then you actually told me about one of the affiliates list about part of the stimulus bill, and then some of the exclusions that are out there. And so finally, we’re going to talk about something related to the registry. And here it is that if you are convicted of a whole slew of different crimes that are sex of sexual offenses, that the stimulus money for small businesses will not be something that you can receive. And then some people in these comments, if I don’t know if you’ve read them, but if, if you have, maybe like your spouse, be the owner Have the business even though that person never does anything with the business somehow that’s fraudulent. Or if you put the business in somebody else’s name that that’s fraudulent even though they have nothing to do with it, like, it seems like you could figure out an easy way around this, but maybe not.

Larry 1:20:16
Well, this is this is so tragic because I see this in everything the we take a lot of grief. For, for apparently, people don’t think we’re aggressive enough. But everything that comes down the pike, even the Supreme Court of Massachusetts in terms of early release for for the for the crisis, they exempted practically everything that has to do with sexual offending. You know, how do we how do we turn this around? If it has something to do with how we vote right? But if we’re about saving business, and people that pf ours are employing people, I thought that’s what we stood for. I thought we wanted this keep business alive. I don’t think How why we would like

Andy 1:21:01
I can understand some of the I can at least like conceptually understand why certain restrictions are in place. This one doesn’t really jive with me that if you’re a small trucking company, if you got five rigs, and you’re now shut down, because the product that you were delivering isn’t really in demand anymore, maybe you’re doing like haircare products or something, and the salons are all shut down at the moment. Why should you be restricted from receiving the money so you can stay in business? I don’t see how that’s related to this at all. Unless someone did a copy and paste. Oh, we don’t want these people getting anything. So we’ll just gonna paste it into the document.

Larry 1:21:35
That must be what they do. But But I can’t understand it because it goes contrary to we want the economy running. Right? I thought that’s what this was all about. And we want to save businesses, right? I thought that’s what it was all about.

Andy 1:21:50
I just can’t conceive of why this is there, other than for some sinister motivation, motive, but other than even like, of just copying and pasting it just just because you’re the asshole. So no one’s gonna oppose it.

Larry 1:22:05
I can’t explain it, but it’s tragic.

Andy 1:22:14
Well, fine, then we’ll just move on. So here we are pretty much with like, what would be the feature segment after 90 minutes later, we’re just shy of 90 minutes. This is a from legal news, State High Court rules. sex offender registration qualifies as punishment. And, Larry, I’m telling you even just like from the title, and then the subtitle, I’m confused right out of the gate, and I hope hope hope hope hope that you can explain it so that I understand. But before you go into it, we’re going to be joined by Brenda Jones, who is the executive director of fare, which is the Maryland affiliate of arsal.

Larry 1:22:46
Hi, Brenda. Hi there. This guy. This guy in Maryland, this comes out in Maryland. We have the case at the registry matters podcast show notes. It’s it’s Rogers versus Maryland. And there was a ton of Yellow highlighting in the in the opinion. And I did not do anything in the dissent. So I don’t need any emails. I know I didn’t do anything in the dissent because this is Maryland’s highest court, although it’s called the Court of Appeals. There’s nowhere else to take this to. So the only reason that assent is relevant, because it’s so closely divided would be if there was a change of one justice if if one and the majority were to leave the court, and then one that thinks like the three in the minority will be on the court, we could get a different outcome. But this case is really very simple. To person pled out a five count indictment. And they pled to a section of Maryland law that does not require that they register unless the offenses against a minor. So So are there criminal law article 11 303. A it’s a misdemeanor, and that’s what he pled to And registrations aren’t required Unless Unless the trafficking unless that crime was directly directed at a minor, and 11 303. b is a felony, not in Maryland, a misdemeanor can carry up to 10 years. So don’t make it sound don’t want to be mean to make it sound. Like we’ve got felonies that don’t carry 10 years in New Mexico and you get to 10 years in Maryland for a Mr. misdemeanor, what the hell’s wrong with you people up there. But anyway, they they, the Section B is is enumerated as something that requires registration. So when Roger status please, the court did not apprise him of a duty to register, because there there isn’t one on the face of the statute. But the Department of Public Safety Correctional Services, the registry people, they decided that he would have to register. So they told him when he got out of prison that you need to register and he did agree. And he did what we can’t get one of our listeners to do is to file a declaratory judgment. Take it a lot of our listeners here. But he he filed a petition for declaratory judgment, which is exactly what you should do, rather than going back and reopening the criminal case, and going back before the judge, he went to a civil court and said, declare, under Maryland law whether or not have to register. And the trial judge said, No, you’re right. The judge concerned the declaratory judgment most about both sides. As for summary, judgment, summary judgment was granted. And the trial court said you don’t have to register. And a state of course appealed and then their their middle level court, the Court of special appeals reversed the trial judge and said, don’t have to read the the individual Rogers he filed a cert petition and the Supreme Court which is actually they call it the Court of Appeals, but their highest court granted cert, and they agreed to decide the issue. And the essence is very simple. The legislature did not define obligation to register unless the crime involved a minor. And since there was no representation during the play process, there was no factual determination made by the trial court. There was nothing where the state proved that there was a minor involved, although we all know from reading through the steps exactly, but there was no proof. The the agency was not allowed to make that determination. It was really that simple, that the agency doesn’t have the power to decide absent any due process had to make a factual determination that wasn’t decided in court. So therefore, he doesn’t have to register. Now. I believe that the legislature will come back and fix this. And I know I’m not supposed to say stuff like this, but I believe that they will come back, and they will just say that anyone who’s convicted under either section 1111 303 that as a registerable offense, and they’ll be done with this, and then he’ll get another notice it says By the way, couple back in here registered. But as the law currently stands, the agency is not allowed to find that the crime involved a minor, and therefore he’s directed to register. So that’s how he won the case. Okay, so what have I missed in this discussion here?

Unknown Speaker 1:27:15
Well, I think you did a pretty decent summary of it. I was trying to read it this morning, the thing that caught my eye in the first place, I mean, you you summarized what it really does. But the thing that was catching my eye was was the, the headline of the article was, was about how the law was, was declared punitive. And, and then the second paragraph was, this is the first time in the state of Maryland that the law that Maryland’s registry was declared punitive and I thought, there’s something wrong here because Maryland law got declared punitive was it in 2012 2013 when we had the first Yeah. And I’m like, Did did something wrong? So

Unknown Speaker 1:28:03
I read the I

Unknown Speaker 1:28:05
pulled out the dang decision and I read all 24 almost all 24 pages of it I do because of the primary decision. And sure enough, they do, in fact say that the law is punitive, but they were doing it to prove that, that the the separation of powers needed to be there. And they were not. The Department of Public Safety did not have the authority to go around saying that this person had to register, because he had not that they had established that the fact of the being victim, the victim was a minor during the court proceedings, and so it’s a separation of powers issue, Department of Public Safety could come along and say, well, we happen to know that he got charged in this other thing at that it was about a minor. So we’re going to go ahead and put them on a registry. They weren’t allowed Do that it wasn’t it wasn’t established as a, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt or one of those levels. Oh, that was the big the big focus really of the of the decision as I was reading it. But the headlines made it sound like, woohoo. Maryland’s register has been declared punitive for the first time, like, Say what? That was what caught my, my attention?

Larry 1:29:26
Well, I think what, what, there’s a lot of highlighted text in here, but there’s one that that when I tell people about the registry of benefits and enhancements, they, the people, the legislators just can’t help themselves that they believe that they can have a perpetual increase in requirements. So starting on page 14, where I have it highlighted since 2009, the amendments that list all the things that you have to do that tip the analysis and we’ve had discussion about Michigan that Michigan couldn’t stop, they added stuff in 2006 and 2011. And there’s something About lawmakers, where no one says, look, you people just can’t do this. If you do this, you’re going to crash the damn thing that you’re trying to protect. Because those liberal pointy head, people are going to come in and sue us if we’re going to lose because we cannot inflict punishment through a civil regulatory scheme and of discussion. We can’t impose all these things on people as a part of the regulations. We can do that and you can do more things when you’re punishing them. And in the end, the actual penalty, but you can’t come back and keep stacking and that’s what they keep doing.

Unknown Speaker 1:30:34
But why can’t they Why can’t they pull back later? Why can’t they go? Well, space with a good enough?

Larry 1:30:40
I wish I could figure out the answer to that because they have this fear. And I’ve had I have deep intimate conversations with people and they have with lawmakers, people, and they have this fear that they’re going to be vilified. And they think that, that there’s just this massive amount of people. That’s got to delis filled with anti incumbency, that it’s just going to be a career breaker. And I can’t say that I disagree with them, but they are going to their opponents are going to hit them with their cell phone sex offenders. But I just don’t think the average person who’s out there thinking about it, the average citizen knows there’s no such thing as a registry. The average citizen knows that, as far as they that what they think they know what’s Why don’t have that sticker says, Don’t believe everything you think what they think they know is that it’s got a really, it’s got a really creepy individual be on there. But the average person doesn’t get immersed in the nuances of the registry. And if you just tell the average voter, the courts won’t let us do this. We can’t. most intelligent voters will understand that we do have a constitution that constrains us in terms of what we can do, and we just can’t do all these things you’d like us to do. You know, we can’t do that in a society that has a has a constitution that we’re bound to follow. You do believe in the constitution W. But I’m saying that’s what I would say that that was what I was Say the voters. I mean, you do support the US Constitution, right? Yeah, we can’t, we can’t, we can’t just dump on these people anything that we want to, after they’ve paid their debt to society. But the judge Harrell who was part of the decision that declared Maryland punitive state of the dissemination of non public and sensitive information about registries presented the risk of big stigma. I noted that registers are required to inform the state of every change of location. And I’ve I’ve harped on this, your conviction is public. But all the stuff that you’re required to provide for the public is not a part of your conviction. If they just simply said, Andy, you’re convicted. This is public. We’ve put you on a list. Congratulations, you’re on. You’re on a bad list of people go on about life. That’s not unconstitutional. Open they say, Andy, tell us what you drive. Tell us where you work. Tell us who you’re living with. Tell us where you’re planning to travel to if you’re going to be gone more than three days, tell us where you go into school that tell us all this stuff so we can put it online. That isn’t a part of the conviction. That is not public information. And that’s where the line is drawn, in terms of how far they can disseminate information, that was not a part of the conviction, the conviction itself is public.

Andy 1:33:22
Let me throw this at you. And I don’t mean to exclude you, Brenda, not at all. There. I remember when the ACA was passed, that there was a lot of talk about we don’t know what’s in it. And I recall it being like, one of the mantras of it was we will, if it doesn’t work, we will amend it, we will fix it and we will continue to evolve it to where it gets closer to working. Why can’t this, you know, like, we constantly amend this thing, but we couldn’t amend that. So I’m trying to bring up like a split brain thing here where that was the bad thing and we can’t amend it. But this thing is just constantly constantly, constantly getting He changed and the screws tightened deeper and deeper. But what’s the question?

Larry 1:34:04
Could we have meant it? Yes. What’s the question

Andy 1:34:06
short? Well, I mean, we weren’t willing to even entertain the thought of amending the ACA. We’re obviously this thing gets amended constantly. I know that the state law versus federal law but that there’s there’s a, the idea of amending it obviously exists, but we couldn’t amend that thing. And I’m not trying to pick on that the ACA is the best thing ever. I’m just trying to bring up that as being like a super duper big example of a thing that we weren’t willing to amend. And it’s just constantly being squashed. But the registry stuff just constantly keeps getting amended, and the screws tightened. Well, no, I haven’t really asked you a question. But I’m still just like, why do we have the split brain personality that some things we can change, but some things we cannot?

Larry 1:34:47
Well, the there’s generally broad support for the registry. There was there was very little bipartisan support for the Affordable Care Act that was largely democratic, or as they call a democrat proposal. The registry enjoys almost universal support. If you dare express the opposition to the registry, you do so at your own peril politically. The the Affordable Care Act was was easy to vilify because it was a government takeover of one fifth or one six Don’t forget what they said it was like one fifth or one sixth of the economy, like government takeover of health care care, and it was gonna cause death penalty and rationing of care and all these horrible things that were there that weren’t true, but that’s that was the scare tactics that were used.

Andy 1:35:35
Speaking of death panels, we are we may be approaching those kind of ideals coming down the pike where they have to triage and pick this person over that person.

Larry 1:35:43
Well, we are very definitely if if the doctors falchi on the forget that word. Her name is Dr. Burke was at birth Brenda, but anyway, if they’re accurate, and if the projections are accurate, we’re going to soon be at the point or fourth Talking about enough care and capacity for, for the people who need to care. So yes, we are going to have to have some disabled space.

Andy 1:36:07
There, we’re about ready to close it down. If you aren’t, we have a voicemail message that I just want to throw out there. It’s not terribly long and I had to kind of piece it together to make it work. It’s mostly just comments from one of our listeners. We’re ready to hit that. Let’s do it.

Unknown Speaker 1:36:22
Hey, Brian, how are you? Just want to stop Say hello. Make sure everyone’s okay. Also, I also want to let you know how I answered the call. I was assigned frontline work taking temperatures of people, so nurses and other health care professionals can be free to treat other people who might have symptoms. I did this without a bath. All without a glove or without gloves. I put myself in harm’s way to help other people to make sure that Nobody would come look ability that would be exposed. So just want to let you know, and I was doing volunteer work at certain locations, and someone noticed me from law enforcement area, gave a call to my supervisor. And they tell me that due to the fact that I was on the ranch, nothing else about a little background check that I got again. I already let him know that I hadn’t checked background and everything.

Unknown Speaker 1:37:36
But I was

Unknown Speaker 1:37:54
fired from doing medical work helping people with covert crisis because he’s on the register

Larry 1:38:01
I was having trouble following it. But I thought that’s what I was getting from it at the end. So

Andy 1:38:07
I just wanted to throw that out there as a person that, by his his testimony there that he, he was trying to help out the medical community and volunteering to help with the temperature checks and stuff to screen patients walking in the door. And somehow he was noticed, which I’m not really sure how but he was noticed and they terminated him because of,

Larry 1:38:27
well, you know, that there’s a spew of radiation that comes out of

Unknown Speaker 1:38:32
that overdrafts were following and that’s how they knew. That’s how they do.

Larry 1:38:35
And I don’t mean to make a joke of it. But if you’re if you’re in a smaller community, I mean, you can you can make almost any large community you haven’t run across your registry officer. But but the smaller the places, you know, more likely you’re going to be noticed because if you’re in a town of 3000, it’s just hard to vanish if you’re in a in a city of 750,000. So, or 8 million or whatever in New York City is

Andy 1:39:01
Larry, I think we can wrap this whole thing up. And I’m going to flip the script on you about closing out the podcast tonight, just a little bit. Like, if you want to find all the ways to contact us, you can certainly go to the show notes, all the things are there. However, because of the times, I don’t want to like push the whole Patreon thing. But please, please, please, if you can go to any of the places where you listen to podcasts, iTunes, Google podcasts, any of those platforms that you get your podcasts from, please give us a rating, preferably a five star one and give us a comment. It would help us out immensely in reaching more people. And that’s certainly what we’re trying to do most of all is to reach more of our people. And I hope everybody stay safe. And wash your hands of course, and someone on another podcast said wash your damn hands. So wash your hands. And that’s all I got there. And I hope you stay safe and I will talk to you very very, very soon.

Unknown Speaker 1:39:51
Thanks. Have a great night. Have a good night.

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